Lesbian Couples Sues Government For Inability To Foster Refugee Child

[Seymour Flops]

I have nothing? Really? You gave me every thing that I need to show what an ass you are. I am not personally offended. But your remarks
Are certainly offensive to gay and lesbian people , not to mention just plain stupid You said “ Did their doctor ever sit them down and say ladies, the reason y’all are not getting pregnant is that y’all are both women? “ If you do not think that that is disrespectful there is something seriously wrong with you

Well maybe I’m wrong. Can you explain why that offends you, or offends any lesbians you know who have seen it?

Could you "just have gay sex" for a week? More evidence of your ignorance and lack of respect

Rather than be childless for life?

Yes, I could. Why? Are you so homophobic that the idea of gay sex is repulsive and icky to you? Or are you so in the closet that you are afraid to admit it would be even possible?

If somehow, having sex with A dude would allow me to have a fulfilling life while refusing would mean a lifetime of dissappiontment, you better believe it. I’d find a guy that’s young, in good shape, but feminine. Then I’d tape my old Farrah Fawcett poster on his back, while I slap his ass and call him Judy!

Besides, nearly every lesbian has tried sex with a guy at least once or twice. This I know from actually talking to people, not reading flawed studies.

Many of them said, the sex was not at all enjoyable, that the guy was repulsive, and either did not try to please them, or tried too much, but did not know how, so it was just annoying. I’m guessing those were with with a guy like yourself. They may not have even known they were lesbians until that life-changing forty seconds.

I tried to tell them “hey, we’re not all like that.” I even offered to give them an example of a good male lover. Only about half took me up on it, and they were bisexuals after that. The others I knew were confirmed lesbians to turn down an opportunity like that.

I hope none of that is offensive to the imaginary lesbian friends.

 

[San Souci]

There is something rotten in Texas. There are Children in need of homes and these women are ready, willing and able to prove one, but are not being allowed to do so. They wanted care for an older children who are hard to place. In addition, of the women is an attorney with an expertise in immigration rights. .

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Lesbian couple sues feds for thwarting their chance to foster refugee children

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/health/lesbian-couple-sues-hhs/index.html

• A married lesbian couple from Texas is suing the federal government
• They say an agency, funded by taxpayers, prevented them from fostering refugee children
• Millions of dollars in federal grant money goes to Catholic organization that discriminates, lawyer says

However...



Let’s that sink in? To be worthy and competent parents you have to “mirror the holy family”. What is a family? Who decides? How many families that do not “mirror the holy family” and have children and are even allowed to adopt them? And, taxpayers take note, Catholic Charities accepts federal funding! And lets not forget the First Amendment, the part about “ Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion” They are also suing under the

What drives this case ?

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Here is more on Lambda Legal: Lambda Legal Sues HHS after Lesbian Couple Blocked from Serving as Foster Parents









Let’s keep this about the Constitution, the law, government funding and refugee children as opposed to Homosexuality and parenting. There has been far too much of that and it always turns into a shit storm

Dam Bull Daggers.

 

[Seymour Flops]

In truth, whether same sex couple are are good at raising children as opposite sex couples is irrelevant, so I don't know why TheProgressivePatriot insists on bringing that up after saying let's not talk about that.

It's not relevant because the Catholic Church did not say "we won't give children to gay foster parents because they aren't good parents," they said that they oppose same sex parent families because God opposes same sex parent families. I dont' agree that they are able to discern the will of God any more than anyone else, but that is what they believe.

As I explained to PP, and he agreed, the Catholic Church has ever right to believe that way, and to run a foster care service with that guiding principal in mind. The only question is whether the Federal government will help them financially to do that.

Well, let's take a look at that federal government. This is the Biden Administration, run by one of the most progressive leaning committees ever to run any president in the history of the United States. Why would they support such a "homophobic," and "bigotted" organization as the RCC, then?

The answer is simple. The Catholic Church has fully embraced socialism.

The Catholic turn to socialism is something to celebrate - Catholic Herald

Why are so many younger Catholics drawn to socialism? Writing on this site, CC Pecknold recently suggested that “an increasingly vocal band of very online Catholics” is trying and failing “to reconcile socialist principles with (specifically Thomist) natural law principles”. As one of these...

catholicherald.co.uk

The turn to socialism must be seen as part of a general retrieval of the genuine political thought of the Catholic Church, against the misinterpretations of an older generation. The better part of a decade has now been spent identifying and correcting liberal corruptions of Catholic doctrine; once these have been dealt with, the socialist character of Catholic social teaching becomes clear.

By “socialism” I mean two things essentially: the rejection of the liberal, capitalist view of private property, and consequently the abolition of an economic order predicated on the exploitation of those who do not have property by those who do. Socialists desire a society of the common good, in which citizens collaborate for mutual advantage in enjoyment of peace and security; a society where the public authority is empowered to correct injuries to the common good, rather than standing by indifferently, as if it were powerless in the face of evil.

The over-arching goal of the progressive movement is socialism in the United States. All the wokeness about men in women's sports, children being mutilated, etc. is just a way to tear down our social fabric while their economic and immigration policies tear down our economy. The hope is that when the U.S. goes to Hell in a handcart, they can step in and say "see? Capitalism has failed. We must try Socialism for a little while just to see if it works."

If the Catholic Church is helping to promote that idea, the Biden administration will keep shoveling money at them, even if they wanted to throw gays off buildings, like the progressives' Muslim friends do.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Well maybe I’m wrong. Can you explain why that offends you, or offends any lesbians you know who have seen it?

I just did explain Apparently you did not understand, I suppose that I’l have to spell it out in simpler terms. First of all it is an insult to the intelligence of lesbians. In addition it is, simply put mocking them I think tat you re smart enough understand that so I can only conclude that you are playing some sick mind game

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Rather than be childless for life?

Yes, I could. Why? Are you so homophobic that the idea of gay sex is repulsive and icky to you? Or are you so in the closet that you are afraid to admit it would be even possible?

If somehow, having sex with A dude would allow me to have a fulfilling life while refusing would mean a lifetime of dissappiontment, you better believe it. I’d find a guy that’s young, in good shape, but feminine. Then I’d tape my old Farrah Fawcett poster on his back, while I slap his ass and call him Judy!

Well, I know a guy who is straight, but who will ”interact” with other men, in certain situations, like group sex. As he put it, when the lights are low, it does not matter who is doing you. Good for him . However, most people who are completely straight cannot and would not. And that does not make anyone homophobic which, for your information , is defined has being fearful or having an aversion to homosexual people. And there is no reason for anyone to remain childless because of not having heterosexual sex. That is just more of you inane bullshit

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Besides, nearly every lesbian has tried sex with a guy at least once or twice. This I know from actually talking to people, not reading flawed studies.

Many of them said, the sex was not at all enjoyable, that the guy was repulsive, and either did not try to please them, or tried too much, but did not know how, so it was just annoying. I’m guessing those were with with a guy like yourself. They may not have even known they were lesbians until that life-changing forty seconds.

How did you become such an expert on Lesbians? Dis it ever occur to you that those who you are referring to are bisexual? In addition, many gay people- at leas in the past- endured unfulfilling opposite sex relationships because of societies condemnation. You yourself confirmed that right here , but what the fuck is that ” guys like your self crap”? Still trying to gaslight me? You are not smart enough You seem to keep twisting yourself into a pretzel here trying to squirm out of your hatful and ignorant remark

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I tried to tell them “hey, we’re not all like that.” I even offered to give them an example of a good male lover. Only about half took me up on it, and they were bisexuals after that. The others I knew were confirmed lesbians to turn down an opportunity like that.

What the fuck is this tripe. Now you need to toot you sexual horn? What is the point? The fact is that some people do not feel fulfilled in a hetero relationship and do not know why until they are given, or give themselves permission to explore other options. But you are just flailing all over the place here still trying to justify your hateful stupidity

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I hope none of that is offensive to the imaginary lesbian friends.

All of it is , It's offensive to every thinking person

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The Human Rights Campaign is not a professional academic journal. Here is the summary of the research it references:

HRC used research data from the American Academy of Pediatrics which is a professional academic journal

Harrowing statistics from a study recently published by the American Academy of Pediatrics revealed alarming levels of attempted suicide among transgender youth -- with the highest rates among transgender boys and non-binary youth. The findings emphasize the urgency of building welcoming and safe communities for LGBTQ young people, particularly for transgender youth.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I just did explain Apparently you did not understand, I suppose that I’l have to spell it out in simpler terms. First of all it is an insult to the intelligence of lesbians. In addition it is, simply put mocking them I think tat you re smart enough understand that so I can only conclude that you are playing some sick mind game

No, it is none of that. I think you're simply looking for things to whine about.

Well, I know a guy who is straight, but who will ”interact” with other men, in certain situations, like group sex. As he put it, when the lights are low, it does not matter who is doing you. Good for him . However, most people who are completely straight cannot and would not. And that does not make anyone homophobic which, for your information , is defined has being fearful or having an aversion to homosexual people.

So, it isn't just opposing the woke agenda, but actually being fearful of homosexuals? Then I've never heard of anyone who was called "homophobic" with justice.

And there is no reason for anyone to remain childless because of not having heterosexual sex. That is just more of you inane bullshit

Heterosexual sex is the most common way to have children. Do I really have to explain that to you? How old are you?

Those lesbians who for some reason can only be foster parents if the Catholic Church lets them would be childless without heterosexual sex..

I don't believe you ever got around to explaining why they could only be foster parents through the Catholic Church. Why is that?

How did you become such an expert on Lesbians?

I talk to people. You learn more from that than reading about supposed research that activists cherry pick for you.

Dis it ever occur to you that those who you are referring to are bisexual?

Not for one second, because they identified as lesbian. Wait . . . are you saying that people are NOT what they identify as?

In addition, many gay people- at leas in the past- endured unfulfilling opposite sex relationships because of societies condemnation. You yourself confirmed that right here , but what the fuck is that ” guys like your self crap”? Still trying to gaslight me? You are not smart enough You seem to keep twisting yourself into a pretzel here trying to squirm out of your hatful and ignorant remark

I stand by all my remarks, especially the one about women becoming lesbians after one sexual encounter with you, or someone like you.

Maybe those men that turn women off, were actually gay men, trying to force themselves to be straight. I an see them not being much of a lover.

All of it is , It's offensive to every thinking person

At least you admit to having imaginary lesbian friends, then.

HRC used research data from the American Academy of Pediatrics which is a professional academic journal

Harrowing statistics from a study recently published by the American Academy of Pediatrics revealed alarming levels of attempted suicide among transgender youth -- with the highest rates among transgender boys and non-binary youth. The findings emphasize the urgency of building welcoming and safe communities for LGBTQ young people, particularly for transgender youth.

Again - that is not a scientific study. It relies only on self-reports from youth who have reason to exagerate.

Not to mention, that it is about reported suicide attempts, not actual suicides, and it is about hormone treatment, not surgery.

So, you have offered not one iota of evidence that lack of surgical "gender-affirm care" leads to more suicides. That was your claim, and you said that you had the research to back it up.

"Harrowing statistics." Drama Mamma much?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

No, it is none of that. I think you're simply looking for things to whine about.

Bovine excrement. I think that you are desperately trying to squir out of a major fuckup

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

So, it isn't just opposing the woke agenda, but actually being fearful of homosexuals? Then I've never heard of anyone who was called "homophobic" with justice.

That “woke agenda “ bullshit is getting real tiresome. Woke is a positive thing that focuses on the awareness of social injustice, but conservatives have hijacked it and twisted it into something nefarious . Well I am going to add my own twist, you people who WHINE about the woke agenda are just hiding behind the concept in order to avoid acknowledging your bigotry. Not working

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Heterosexual sex is the most common way to have children. Do I really have to explain that to you? How old are you?

Now you are just being an anoying smartass

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Those lesbians who for some reason can only be foster parents if the Catholic Church lets them would be childless without heterosexual sex..

I don't believe you ever got around to explaining why they could only be foster parents through the Catholic Church. Why is that?

The answer is in the OP. Go back and read it

 

[Seymour Flops]

That “woke agenda “ bullshit is getting real tiresome. Woke is a positive thing that focuses on the awareness of social injustice, but conservatives have hijacked it and twisted it into something nefarious . Well I am going to add my own twist, you people who WHINE about the woke agenda are just hiding behind the concept in order to avoid acknowledging your bigotry. Not working

Considering that your idea of “bigotry” includes questioning the idea of castrating boys and sterilizing girls well before they are old enough to consent (if anyone ever is), such an accusation from you means less than nothing,

The answer is in the OP. Go back and read it

All I saw was that they claim they can’t afford private adoption, even though one is a lawyer. I’ve already explained that adoption costs are only the tip of the child rearing expense iceberg. If the cannot afford those fees, how they gonna support a kid?

Welfare?

State money for fosters?

Suppose for the sake of argument, that is just fine to insist on being given a foster child when you cannot afford to raise a child. Clearly you believe that.

That does not explain why it has to be a Catholic agency in particular? Are those two Catholic? If they are, they are the worst Catholic since the Biden family.

My guess is that they are either not Catholic at all, or they grew up Catholic and now hate the Catholic Church at her now trying to get back at it. Lord knows what imagined slight they are vengeful about.

Maybe because the lawyer had to go to Catholic private school and actually learn how to read, write and do math. Well enough to become a lawyer. But all she remembers is that nun that didn’t let her wear two earrings in one ear or made her kneel as a consequence of disrupting class or whatever.

Why should they be allowed to use the courts for that kind of personal vendetta?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Considering that your idea of “bigotry” includes questioning the idea of castrating boys and sterilizing girls well before they are old enough to consent (if anyone ever is), such an accusation from you means less than nothing,

Sir, I have schooled you on this stuff and it is apparent that you are either ineducable or just hell bent on lying. In any case, your just being obnoxious and provocative . What you describe is not endorsed by medical or mental health professionals, or by any one on the left. If it happens at all, and that is questionable, it is an anomality. Gender reassignment is taken very seriously. Children experiencing gender dysphoria must also me taken seriously. At the same time I have having more and more trouble taking you seriously. I had said that I had some level of respect for you because you attempt to have adult conversations. Clearly I was wrong.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Sir, I have schooled you on this stuff and it is apparent that you are either ineducable or just hell bent on lying. In any case, your just being obnoxious and provocative . What you describe is not endorsed by medical or mental health professionals, or by any one on the left. If it happens at all, and that is questionable, it is an anomality. Gender reassignment is taken very seriously. Children experiencing gender dysphoria must also me taken seriously. At the same time I have having more and more trouble taking you seriously. I had said that I had some level of respect for you because you attempt to have adult conversations. Clearly I was wrong.

If it never happens, why does the left fight so hard to keep it from being banned? Just contrariness?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

If it never happens, why does the left fight so hard to keep it from being banned? Just contrariness?

Seriously Seymour? Those bans are not just written too narrowly target the most egregious cases. We oppose the blanket and draconian bans on all gender affirming care that usurps the patient- doctor- parent relationship with hysterical and bigoted anti trans political agenda. Once again you – who I once thought to be smart and to have some integrety are disappointing me with your moronic sound bites

 

[Seymour Flops]

Seriously Seymour? Those bans are not just written too narrowly target the most egregious cases. We oppose the blanket and draconian bans on all gender affirming care that usurps the patient- doctor- parent relationship with hysterical and bigoted anti trans political agenda. Once again you – who I once thought to be smart and to have some integrety are disappointing me with your moronic sound bites

Ok, so what ban would you accept?

(I’ll just ignore the childish insults. I’m used to them whenever I outwit a progressive in a debate. Which is frequently.)

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Ok, so what ban would you accept?

(I’ll just ignore the childish insults. I’m used to them whenever I outwit a progressive in a debate. Which is frequently.)

What childish insults? I called you out on the fact that you keep regurgitating extremist, provocative and alarmist talking points with no regard for the truth. The transgender hysteria is being driven by fear and ignorance and you are contributing to that. Your type of rhetoric is what pushed politicians to enact strict bans on all gender affirming care. Then kids suffer and die

To answer your question, in general, politicians should have no say in medical or mental health issues. Matters pertaining to gender, should be treated like any other issue with care being based on recognized best practices. Currently, every major medical and mental health organization recognizes the importance of gender affirming care .

Having said that, I could support restrictions on irreversible gender reassignment in pre pubescent children, although there should be some exceptions such as in the case of intersexed children where there is a clear medical issue. While children are aware of their gender identity at an early age, there is usually no need to rush to correct a physical anomality. Mistakes can be made

Lastly, if there is going to be any government involvement at all it should be through the regulatory process with standards and practices being set by career scientists, not elected officials driven by politics