Left/Right should ALL read this!

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There is going to be a fusillade of attempts from many different corners to force these demonstrations into the liberal-conservative blue-red narrative.

This will be an effort to transform OWS from a populist and wholly non-partisan protest against bailouts, theft, insider trading, self-dealing, regulatory capture and the market-perverting effect of the Too-Big-To-Fail banks into something a little more familiar and less threatening, i.e. a captive "liberal" uprising that the right will use to whip up support and the Democrats will try to turn into electoral energy for 2012.


Tactically, what we'll see here will be a) people firmly on the traditional Democratic side claiming to speak for OWS, and b) people on the right-Republican side attempting to portray OWS as a puppet of well-known liberals and other Democratic interests.


On the Democratic side, we've already seen a lot of this behavior, particularly in the last week or so. Glenn Greenwald wrote about this a lot last week, talking about how Obama has already made it clear that he is "on the same side as the Wall Street protesters" and that the Democratic Party, through the DCCC (its House fundraising arm), has jumped into the fray by circulating a petition seeking 100,000 party supporters to affirm that “I stand with the Occupy Wall Street protests.”(I wonder how firmly the DCCC was standing with OWS sentiment back when it was pushing for the bailouts and the repeal of Glass-Steagall Act).


We've similarly heard about MoveOn.org jumping into the demonstrations and attempting, seemingly, to assume leadership roles in the movement.


All of this is the flip side of the coin that has people like Breitbart trying to frame OWS as a socialist uprising and a liberal media conspiracy. The aim here is to redraw the protests along familiar battle lines.


The Rush Limbaughs of the world are very comfortable with a narrative that has Noam Chomsky, MoveOn and Barack Obama on one side, and the Tea Party and Republican leaders on the other. The rest of the traditional media won't mind that narrative either, if it can get enough "facts" to back it up. They know how to do that story and most of our political media is based upon that Crossfire paradigm of left-vs-right commentary shows and NFL Today-style team-vs-team campaign reporting.


What nobody is comfortable with is a movement in which virtually the entire spectrum of middle class and poor Americans is on the same page, railing against incestuous political and financial corruption on Wall Street and in Washington. The reality is that Occupy Wall Street and the millions of middle Americans who make up the Tea Party are natural allies and should be on the same page about most of the key issues, and that's a story our media won't want to or know how to handle.


Take, for instance, the matter of the Too-Big-To-Fail banks, which people like me and Barry Ritholz have focused on as something that could be a key issue for OWS. These gigantic institutions have put millions of ordinary people out of their homes thanks to a massive fraud scheme for which they were not punished, owing to their enormous influence with government and their capture of the regulators.


This is an issue for the traditional "left" because it's a classic instance of overweening corporate power -- but it's an issue for the traditional "right" because these same institutions are also the biggest welfare bums of all time, de facto wards of the state who sucked trillions of dollars of public treasure from the pockets of patriotic taxpayers from coast to coast.


Both traditional constituencies want these companies off the public teat and back swimming on their own in the cruel seas of the free market, where they will inevitably be drowned in their corruption and greed, if they don't reform immediately. This is a major implicit complaint of the OWS protests and it should absolutely strike a nerve with Tea Partiers, many of whom were talking about some of the same things when they burst onto the scene a few years ago.


The banks know this. They know they have no "natural" constituency among voters, which is why they spend such fantastic amounts of energy courting the mainstream press and such huge sums lobbying politicians on both sides of the aisle.


The only way the Goldmans and Citis and Bank of Americas can survive is if they can suck up popular political support indirectly, either by latching onto such vague right-populist concepts as "limited government" and "free-market capitalism" (ironic, because none of them would survive ten minutes without the federal government's bailouts and other protections) or, alternatively, by presenting themselves as society's bulwark against communism, lefty extremism, Noam Chomsky, etc.


All of which is a roundabout way of saying one thing: beware of provocateurs on both sides of the aisle. This movement is going to attract many Breitbarts, of both the left and right variety. They're going to try to identify fake leaders, draw phony battle lines, and then herd everybody back into the same left-right cage matches of old. Whenever that happens, we just have to remember not to fall for the trap. When someone says this or that person speaks for OWS, don't believe it. This thing is bigger than one or two or a few people, and it isn't part of the same old story.
 

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I believe both groups could/should meet in the middle, on their common grounds.
 

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I believe both groups could/should meet in the middle, on their common grounds.
How about the marriage between corporate America and DC along with their complicit media?
 

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How about REALLY taking the money out of politics and make all elections publicly funded and only publicly funded?

*Yes, I realize that in 2008 Obama flip-flopped on this issue.
 

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What exactly is the middle ground between living by our Constitution and revolution to overthrow it?
 

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The OWS is not now and never was a non-partisan populist movement.

It is and always was the handiwork of the left.

Pretending otherwise is quite unconvincing and the test is crystal clear.

What part of the "populist" base favor the crap those sub-morons are spewing?

Claiming to be the 99% does not make it true. And we can all be against "greed," but that doesn't mean that we favor the limitation on liberty these schmucks endorse.

The common refrain from the OWS airheads is that those greedy corporations and those rich fuckers are sitting on their massive wealth. Implicit in that "complaint" is the notion (which some of the OWS jerkoffs at least have enough sense not to verbalize): "we" should be able to take "it" away from "them" for the common good.

The OWS propagandists might try to deny it, but again, they refuse to get pinned down. Just ASK them: "What is your proposed 'solution' to the 'problem' you have somewhat inarticulately 'identified?'"

And you get greeted with stoney silence and an occasional grunt.
 
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The OWS is not now and never was a non-partisan populist movement.

It is and always was the handiwork of the left.

Pretending otherwise is quite unconvincing and the test is crystal clear.

What part of the "populist" base favor the crap those sub-morons are spewing?

Claiming to be the 99% does not make it true. And we can all be against "greed," but that doesn't mean that we favor the limitation on liberty these schmucks endorse.

The common refrain from the OWS airheads is that those greedy corporations and those rich fuckers are sitting on their massive wealth. Implicit in that "complaint" is the notion (which some of the OWS jerkoffs at least have enough sense not to verbalize): "we" should be able to take "it" away from "them" for the common good.

The OWS propagandists might try to deny it, but again, they refue to get pinned down. Just ASK them: "What is your proposed 'solution' to the 'problem' you have somewhat inarticulately 'identified?'"

And you get greeted with stoney silence and an occasional grunt.

You are incredibly gullible. What else have Rush, Sean, and Breitbart told you to say today?
 

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The tea party and the parasitic class are opposites, they will never be on the same side. To imagine that is to be delusional.
 

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The OWS is not now and never was a non-partisan populist movement.

It is and always was the handiwork of the left.

Pretending otherwise is quite unconvincing and the test is crystal clear.

What part of the "populist" base favor the crap those sub-morons are spewing?

Claiming to be the 99% does not make it true. And we can all be against "greed," but that doesn't mean that we favor the limitation on liberty these schmucks endorse.

The common refrain from the OWS airheads is that those greedy corporations and those rich fuckers are sitting on their massive wealth. Implicit in that "complaint" is the notion (which some of the OWS jerkoffs at least have enough sense not to verbalize): "we" should be able to take "it" away from "them" for the common good.

The OWS propagandists might try to deny it, but again, they refue to get pinned down. Just ASK them: "What is your proposed 'solution' to the 'problem' you have somewhat inarticulately 'identified?'"

And you get greeted with stoney silence and an occasional grunt.

You are incredibly gullible. What else have Rush, Sean, and Breitbart told you to say today?
There's one of the major (most obvious) differences between you and me. Many of your posts are mere cut and paste hack jobs of what you are instructed to believe, and therefore willingly consume.

Unlike you, I have the ability and willingness to come to conclusions based on my own observations.

It requires another ability you clearly lack: the ability to employ logic.

Tell ya what, dipshit. Prove me wrong. Don't go finding an article wherein some liberal weenie might "try" to explain the demands and goals of the OWS Soros' Bitches Movement. Instead, based on that vast supply of well articulated positions already spelled out by the OWS intelligentsia, clearly and succinctly RESTATE JUST the proposed solution(s) called for by Soros' Bitches.

But you wont. You can't.
 

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Synth is correct. Our discontent needs continued pushing in the direction of 'us versus them', using truth as a paddle. Don't let the powerbrokers bent on protecting the status quo reshape our cry for fair and transparent government back into the standard bullshit talking points of 'left versus right'.

We, The Peeps deserve better, but to get it We must demand better
 

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What exactly is the middle ground between living by our Constitution and revolution to overthrow it?
Shut up, retard.
You've made my point. There is no compromise with people who want to overthrow the Republic.

These protests have been planned for months. They are trying to recreate the Communist Revolution in Hungary. How do you compromise with people who are calling for violence? Only a little violence? How about we give you one of our hands instead of killing us?

You can't compromise with evil people.

The sad thing is these revolutionaries have been drawing in alot of people who just dont realize what is actually going on. And if/when they reach their goals, it's those people who they will turn on first.
 

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Synth is correct. Our discontent needs continued pushing in the direction of 'us versus them', using truth as a paddle. Don't let the powerbrokers bent on protecting the status quo reshape our cry for fair and transparent government back into the standard bullshit talking points of 'left versus right'.

We, The Peeps deserve better, but to get it We must demand better
We need to not only demand better. We need to be better.

If we expect to keep our nation strong we have to be good. If we want to recieve the blessings of economic strength we need to be honest, humble, live within our means, and be charitable.

This nation isnt doing any of those things nowadays.
 

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What exactly is the middle ground between living by our Constitution and revolution to overthrow it?
Shut up, retard.
You've made my point. There is no compromise with people who want to overthrow the Republic.

These protests have been planned for months. They are trying to recreate the Communist Revolution in Hungary. How do you compromise with people who are calling for violence? Only a little violence? How about we give you one of our hands instead of killing us?

You can't compromise with evil people.

The sad thing is these revolutionaries have been drawing in alot of people who just dont realize what is actually going on. And if/when they reach their goals, it's those people who they will turn on first.
Avatar, you're the unbending fucking moron. It's your warped belief that the right is pure as the driven snow and the left is hell bent on overthrowing shit that is the fucking problem.

That's why I'm telling you to shut the fuck up, retard. You're not helping the situation with that shit at all.
 

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