Left/Right should ALL read this!

[Tech_Esq]

How about REALLY taking the money out of politics and make all elections publicly funded and only publicly funded?

*Yes, I realize that in 2008 Obama flip-flopped on this issue.

You are never going to control how money is spent in this country. Continue to play Sisyphus if you want.

 

[California Girl]

Synth is correct. Our discontent needs continued pushing in the direction of 'us versus them', using truth as a paddle. Don't let the powerbrokers bent on protecting the status quo reshape our cry for fair and transparent government back into the standard bullshit talking points of 'left versus right'.

We, The Peeps deserve better, but to get it We must demand better

Correct? What is Synthia 'correct' about? S/he has said nothing. She has regurgitated the words of others. And the the next time anyone employed by the Rolling Stone or the HuffPuff comes up with anything other than partisan crap will be the first time.

Personally, I would prefer people to think for themselves instead of jumping all over the 'opinion' of someone else. At least that demonstrates some basic ability to think.

 

[Avatar4321]

Avatar, you're the unbending fucking moron. It's your warped belief that the right is pure as the driven snow and the left is hell bent on overthrowing shit that is the fucking problem.

That's why I'm telling you to shut the fuck up, retard. You're not helping the situation with that shit at all.

Who the heck ever claimed the right is pure as the snow?

Help with the situation? THERE ARE PEOPLE ADVOCATING REVOLUTION AND VIOLENCE. How the heck are we supposed to fix the situation if we can't be honest about what these people stand for?

I know you don't like it. I don't like it. The idea that people want to overthrow our civilization bothers me to no end. But it's the truth. You can either accept it and oppose the people doing it. Or you can lie to yourself and others and pretend they are completely harmless all the way to the point they execute you.

 

[B. Kidd]

The tea party and the parasitic class are opposites, they will never be on the same side. To imagine that is to be delusional.

Well.......embrace this.
Our current two-party system is also impotent towards EVER staightening our current problems out.
Our forefathers already knew it, tho'.

The Two-Party System - A Catastrophic Failure

 

[Article 15]

Avatar, you're the unbending fucking moron. It's your warped belief that the right is pure as the driven snow and the left is hell bent on overthrowing shit that is the fucking problem.

That's why I'm telling you to shut the fuck up, retard. You're not helping the situation with that shit at all.

THERE ARE PEOPLE ADVOCATING REVOLUTION AND VIOLENCE.

Should I post the pics of the Tea Party signs about not coming armed "this time" and "watering the tree of liberty"?

How about the Tea Party protesters that actually showed up armed?

Should I post those just to throw it in your face? Or does that accomplished anything at all?

LOOK, there are nut jobs and lunatics in both camps yet you are trying assign that label to the entire movement and declare it a NON STARTER.

Don't you see that YOUR attitude is what hinders the conversation?!

Fuck.

 

[Liability]

One cannot "hinder" a "conversation" with a group of inarticulate sheep.

The fact remains, however pure their intent and however valid their basic (though ill-defined) complaint may be, the OWS protestors are unable and/or unwilling to articulate a rational proposal for a solution.

And they absolutely wouldn't even TRY to articulate their proposal for a "solution" to the extent that it flows naturally from their major premise. For they know in advance that such a proposed "solution" would be rejected flatly and forever.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Divide is too far gone between the do's and do as little as possible's.

History is replete with victimization and demonization only leading to a violent resolve.

 

[Seawytch]

How about REALLY taking the money out of politics and make all elections publicly funded and only publicly funded?

*Yes, I realize that in 2008 Obama flip-flopped on this issue.

Get Money Out

sign it!

I did... And twittered it and Facebooked it!

 

[B. Kidd]

Divide is too far gone between the do's and do as little as possible's.

History is replete with victimization and demonization only leading to a violent resolve.

I'd like to disagree with you concerning the 'violent resolve' part.
But, I cannot, as history precludes that.
Both of our parties are too partisan. Both of our parties are too corrupted by special interests.
As a result, little difference remains between the two parties in the above respects.
As long as we continue down this path, I can forsee a time when bullets are exchanged for ballots.

 

[MikeK]

How about REALLY taking the money out of politics and make all elections publicly funded and only publicly funded?

*Yes, I realize that in 2008 Obama flip-flopped on this issue.

Get Money Out

sign it!

Done.

 

[OODA_Loop]

As long as we continue down this path, I can forsee a time when bullets are exchanged for ballots.

I'm showing up with my kit to the Koch Brothers Camps and mustering in.

Better paper products.

 

[AVG-JOE]

What exactly is the middle ground between living by our Constitution and revolution to overthrow it?

Shut up, retard.

You've made my point. There is no compromise with people who want to overthrow the Republic.

These protests have been planned for months. They are trying to recreate the Communist Revolution in Hungary. How do you compromise with people who are calling for violence? Only a little violence? How about we give you one of our hands instead of killing us?

You can't compromise with evil people.

The sad thing is these revolutionaries have been drawing in alot of people who just dont realize what is actually going on. And if/when they reach their goals, it's those people who they will turn on first.

If OWS started as a Hollywood style conspiracy, hatched in some smoke filled back room over the summer by some left-handed communist leaning evil-doers, it departed from their control at least a month ago.

Today hundreds of thousands 'Occupied' in thousands of cities world wide. This populist movement is quite real.

Around the Nation: The Occupy Movement | The Rundown News Blog | PBS NewsHour | PBS
Occupy Wall Street Movement Expands to International Cities | PBS NewsHour | Oct. 17, 2011 | PBS

 

[AVG-JOE]

Synth is correct. Our discontent needs continued pushing in the direction of 'us versus them', using truth as a paddle. Don't let the powerbrokers bent on protecting the status quo reshape our cry for fair and transparent government back into the standard bullshit talking points of 'left versus right'.

We, The Peeps deserve better, but to get it We must demand better

We need to not only demand better. We need to be better.

If we expect to keep our nation strong we have to be good. If we want to recieve the blessings of economic strength we need to be honest, humble, live within our means, and be charitable.

This nation isnt doing any of those things nowadays.

So the movers and shakers (as well as the rest of us) need to re-examine our fascination with short term profits and overall greed, in favor of honesty, transparency and charity?

​

You closet liberal, you!

 

[Avatar4321]

Synth is correct. Our discontent needs continued pushing in the direction of 'us versus them', using truth as a paddle. Don't let the powerbrokers bent on protecting the status quo reshape our cry for fair and transparent government back into the standard bullshit talking points of 'left versus right'.

We, The Peeps deserve better, but to get it We must demand better

We need to not only demand better. We need to be better.

If we expect to keep our nation strong we have to be good. If we want to recieve the blessings of economic strength we need to be honest, humble, live within our means, and be charitable.

This nation isnt doing any of those things nowadays.

So the movers and shakers (as well as the rest of us) need to re-examine our fascination with short term profits and overall greed, in favor of honesty, transparency and charity?

​

You closet liberal, you!

If you mean classical liiberal, then i might agree. If you mean this progressive bullcrap that is nothing but corruption, lies, and arrogance, then I completely disagree.

 

[AVG-JOE]

How about REALLY taking the money out of politics and make all elections publicly funded and only publicly funded?

*Yes, I realize that in 2008 Obama flip-flopped on this issue.

You are never going to control how money is spent in this country. Continue to play Sisyphus if you want.

We can't control how much an American, or anyone else for that matter, spends on American politics, that's for certain.

Transparency is the key.

If me, my neighbor, the Chinese government or the CEO of an international corporation gives so much as a dollar to a candidate for dog-catcher, We The People have a right to know about it.

 

[Sherry]

*snip*

There is going to be a fusillade of attempts from many different corners to force these demonstrations into the liberal-conservative blue-red narrative.

This will be an effort to transform OWS from a populist and wholly non-partisan protest against bailouts, theft, insider trading, self-dealing, regulatory capture and the market-perverting effect of the Too-Big-To-Fail banks into something a little more familiar and less threatening, i.e. a captive "liberal" uprising that the right will use to whip up support and the Democrats will try to turn into electoral energy for 2012.


Tactically, what we'll see here will be a) people firmly on the traditional Democratic side claiming to speak for OWS, and b) people on the right-Republican side attempting to portray OWS as a puppet of well-known liberals and other Democratic interests.


On the Democratic side, we've already seen a lot of this behavior, particularly in the last week or so. Glenn Greenwald wrote about this a lot last week, talking about how Obama has already made it clear that he is "on the same side as the Wall Street protesters" and that the Democratic Party, through the DCCC (its House fundraising arm), has jumped into the fray by circulating a petition seeking 100,000 party supporters to affirm that “I stand with the Occupy Wall Street protests.”(I wonder how firmly the DCCC was standing with OWS sentiment back when it was pushing for the bailouts and the repeal of Glass-Steagall Act).


We've similarly heard about MoveOn.org jumping into the demonstrations and attempting, seemingly, to assume leadership roles in the movement.


All of this is the flip side of the coin that has people like Breitbart trying to frame OWS as a socialist uprising and a liberal media conspiracy. The aim here is to redraw the protests along familiar battle lines.


The Rush Limbaughs of the world are very comfortable with a narrative that has Noam Chomsky, MoveOn and Barack Obama on one side, and the Tea Party and Republican leaders on the other. The rest of the traditional media won't mind that narrative either, if it can get enough "facts" to back it up. They know how to do that story and most of our political media is based upon that Crossfire paradigm of left-vs-right commentary shows and NFL Today-style team-vs-team campaign reporting.


What nobody is comfortable with is a movement in which virtually the entire spectrum of middle class and poor Americans is on the same page, railing against incestuous political and financial corruption on Wall Street and in Washington. The reality is that Occupy Wall Street and the millions of middle Americans who make up the Tea Party are natural allies and should be on the same page about most of the key issues, and that's a story our media won't want to or know how to handle.


Take, for instance, the matter of the Too-Big-To-Fail banks, which people like me and Barry Ritholz have focused on as something that could be a key issue for OWS. These gigantic institutions have put millions of ordinary people out of their homes thanks to a massive fraud scheme for which they were not punished, owing to their enormous influence with government and their capture of the regulators.


This is an issue for the traditional "left" because it's a classic instance of overweening corporate power -- but it's an issue for the traditional "right" because these same institutions are also the biggest welfare bums of all time, de facto wards of the state who sucked trillions of dollars of public treasure from the pockets of patriotic taxpayers from coast to coast.


Both traditional constituencies want these companies off the public teat and back swimming on their own in the cruel seas of the free market, where they will inevitably be drowned in their corruption and greed, if they don't reform immediately. This is a major implicit complaint of the OWS protests and it should absolutely strike a nerve with Tea Partiers, many of whom were talking about some of the same things when they burst onto the scene a few years ago.


The banks know this. They know they have no "natural" constituency among voters, which is why they spend such fantastic amounts of energy courting the mainstream press and such huge sums lobbying politicians on both sides of the aisle.


The only way the Goldmans and Citis and Bank of Americas can survive is if they can suck up popular political support indirectly, either by latching onto such vague right-populist concepts as "limited government" and "free-market capitalism" (ironic, because none of them would survive ten minutes without the federal government's bailouts and other protections) or, alternatively, by presenting themselves as society's bulwark against communism, lefty extremism, Noam Chomsky, etc.


All of which is a roundabout way of saying one thing: beware of provocateurs on both sides of the aisle. This movement is going to attract many Breitbarts, of both the left and right variety. They're going to try to identify fake leaders, draw phony battle lines, and then herd everybody back into the same left-right cage matches of old. Whenever that happens, we just have to remember not to fall for the trap. When someone says this or that person speaks for OWS, don't believe it. This thing is bigger than one or two or a few people, and it isn't part of the same old story.

Pardon me for being skeptical, but in reference to the above highlighted in red, why in the world would anyone believe that the left genuinely held such a perception...all they have done for the past three years is demean every aspect of the TPM and the issues they were protesting against, and consistently referred to them as nothing but a bunch of racists whose only motivation was not wanting to see a black man as president.

 

[Stephanie]

How about REALLY taking the money out of politics and make all elections publicly funded and only publicly funded?

*Yes, I realize that in 2008 Obama flip-flopped on this issue.

Dylan Ratigan's been talking about this very thing alot.

Dylan Ratigan | Free America

LOL, I saw where Ratigan is WORKING with the OWS then coming back and impersonating a NON-BIASED reporter.
who listens to that fake reporter.?

 

[AVG-JOE]

Synth is correct. Our discontent needs continued pushing in the direction of 'us versus them', using truth as a paddle. Don't let the powerbrokers bent on protecting the status quo reshape our cry for fair and transparent government back into the standard bullshit talking points of 'left versus right'.

We, The Peeps deserve better, but to get it We must demand better

Correct? What is Synthia 'correct' about? S/he has said nothing. She has regurgitated the words of others. And the the next time anyone employed by the Rolling Stone or the HuffPuff comes up with anything other than partisan crap will be the first time.

Personally, I would prefer people to think for themselves instead of jumping all over the 'opinion' of someone else. At least that demonstrates some basic ability to think.

He is correct in his thesis that there are people in powerful positions on both the left and right who would love to hijack either the TEA's or the OWS's for their own political gain. With the advent of the Super-PAC, allowing individuals and organizations secret, unlimited spending on politics, it is quite possible, thus providing continued protection for the current status quo through confusion, if nothing else.

 

[Stephanie]

There is NOTHING with this fake movement (occupiers) I want to associate with.

I don't take kindly to Marxist, Commies and NAZIS.

thanks but NO thanks.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Avatar, you're the unbending fucking moron. It's your warped belief that the right is pure as the driven snow and the left is hell bent on overthrowing shit that is the fucking problem.

That's why I'm telling you to shut the fuck up, retard. You're not helping the situation with that shit at all.

Who the heck ever claimed the right is pure as the snow?

Help with the situation? THERE ARE PEOPLE ADVOCATING REVOLUTION AND VIOLENCE. How the heck are we supposed to fix the situation if we can't be honest about what these people stand for?

I know you don't like it. I don't like it. The idea that people want to overthrow our civilization bothers me to no end. But it's the truth. You can either accept it and oppose the people doing it. Or you can lie to yourself and others and pretend they are completely harmless all the way to the point they execute you.

Nobody knows what 'they' stand for! There are WAY to many scared and pissed off people for there even to BE some sort of consensus in political demands.

Most are simply standing in the street crying "unfair", with little in the way of specific policy being promoted.