CDZ Left or right?

[shoshi]

Obama was considered leftist by American standards. By European standards he was right of center. American Democrats are considered the left party but because they do not support health care for all or wealth tax or the shorter work week among other things they are considered conservative certainly not socialist to most of the world. So what is left or right depends on the culture you come from?
As for economics even socialist nations like China have had to make capitalistic compromises.

 

[JGalt]

I don't see how Obama was considered "right of center", even to the Europeans. Obama was raised and schooled by Marxists. He was a Chicago community organizer, and basically a leftist.

 

[TNHarley]

American Democrats are considered the left party but because they do not support health care for all or wealth tax or the shorter work week

They absolutely support that.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Obama was considered leftist by American standards. By European standards he was right of center. American Democrats are considered the left party but because they do not support health care for all or wealth tax or the shorter work week among other things they are considered conservative certainly not socialist to most of the world. So what is left or right depends on the culture you come from?
As for economics even socialist nations like China have had to make capitalistic compromises.

The distinction is not really between right and left.

The true distinction is between right and wrong.

And a major point of the founding of America was very specifically not to be like the tyrannical shithole nations of Europe. Any premise which is based on comparing America to these shitholes, and presumes that American should be more like the European shitholes, fails from its very beginning.

 

[shoshi]

One has to wonder what sort of degenerate society or background the OP, shoshi comes from, to see Obama as “right of center”. Surely not from any position to even begin to understand what America is supposed to be about.

Never said I believed that. i said that is how he was seen in Europe.

 

[Leo123]

The Left in America has been taken over by Marxists.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

Obama was a moderate by American standards.

So is Joe.

 

[Anomalism]

They absolutely support that.

It's like pulling teeth to get them to admit it though. Hillary Clinton in particular didn't support it during the Democrat primary.

 

[rightwinger]

Even in the US
Obama was moderate left

 

[TNHarley]

Even in the US
Obama was moderate left

Obama was a war mongering corporatist. Not sure what "side" that belongs to.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Never said I believed that. i said that is how he was seen in Europe.

Even if true, so what?

America is not Europe.

That's kind of the point of America.

 

[shoshi]

Even if true, so what?

America is not Europe.

That's kind of the point of America.

What is leftist and what is right to you? Or should I say what is conservative or liberal? Depends on who you ask.

 

[Donald H]

The left of the world isn't interested in owning anything that is considered to be the position of the Democratic party.
That's not to say there is no left in America. There appears to be some at least in Bernie. With caution on account of the possibility that Bernie could never stick to his guns of political reform.

 

[JGalt]

Even in the US
Obama was moderate left

Moderate leftists don't invite members of militant leftist terrorist groups to the White House on multiple occasions. Members of groups who bombed police stations, the Capitol, and the Pentagon during the 60's and 70's.

I'm just sayin'. Funny, I don't remember any of the Jan. 6 protesters bombing the Capitol, do you?

Bill Ayers - Wikipedia

 

[rightwinger]

Moderate leftists don't invite members of militant leftist terrorist groups to the White House on multiple occasions. Members of groups who bombed police stations, the Capitol, and the Pentagon during the 60's and 70's.

I'm just sayin'. Funny, I don't remember any of the Jan. 6 protesters bombing the Capitol, do you?

Bill Ayers - Wikipedia

 

[Coyote]

This thread has gotten completely derailed and turned into a flamefest. I think you forgot it is in the CDZ.

The topic seems to about the differences between what is considered let and right here and in Europe, with Obama given as one example of how it is viewed.

Tone down the insults please and discuss the topic.

 

[shoshi]

I suppose what i was saying is different cultures have different standards on what is left liberal and right conservative.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Being in the UK, I view Obama as Left Wing.

Also, just having Left Wing and Right Wing is the basic form. Political orientation is on more than two axes.

 

[MarcATL]

Obama is considered center right, even by American standards.

In Europe he's viewed as a conservative.

 

[sartre play]

I prefer those who don't fit neatly in some labeled box.