Zone1 If Jesus Was A Jew

[hobelim]

I'm no teacher. If you like to learn ask god what he likes to teach you. Now is Christmas tide. I'm sure there is something to learn for you now.

Of course there is.

I heard that a trinity diddled a virgin to become a baby boy wearing diapers on Christmas day only to abolish his own laws, say nutty things that no one understood, perform a few mind blowing demonstrations of Divine power over reality and was reviled and rejected tortured and crucified as a "perfect human sacrifice" so that "believers" who celebrate his death, worship, and eat him, can remain assholes and sin with impunity for life because God loved the Roman world so much.

Who wouldn't love a maudlin story about a three in one edible god like that! THE DEVIL? lol..

What I have learned is that the world is full of stupid people.

 

[irosie91]

Never any Jew was respectless in my presence. So you are no Jew.

And then at 30 he left the whitewashed tomb he compared the pharisaic beliefs and practices to.

Thats why Jesus submitted to the baptism of John as a token of repentance for the forgiveness of sins and then "Heaven opened up to him" and he ascended in full view of everyone day by day.

baptism? oh--you mean MIKVEH----have you been to your local Mikveh
lately?

I get that you are absolutely, cemented solidly, in your belief of this as you say it often enough. It's kind of like today...if one overlooks the differences, it can be said all Democrats are Republicans. While there were the major sects of Judaism in Jesus' time, there were also the minor ones that were lost in history. One these were the Nazareans--an offshoot of the Essenes, who were an opposition group of the Pharisees. In modern political terms, Jesus was more an Independent who went his own way. He was very much in favor of the teachings of Pharisees, but he also felt when it came to practice, they often missed the boat. What Jesus said about end times was more in line with Essene teaching than Pharisee teachings, especially the aspect of Essenes accusing Pharisees of not adhering to the full intent of the Law.

Where Jesus differed from the Essenes in his public life, is that that the Essenes were more ascetic and withdrew from society, whereas Jesus was definitely more social, and seemingly not as austere when it came to eating and drinking.

We just might both agree that Jesus was deeply influenced by both the Pharisees and the Essenes. You believe he chose a sect (Pharisees) whereas I believe he refused to become either, going his own way. I have been able to find little about the Nazarean sect, and nothing that can be considered a primary source at the time. They were thought to have been a group that did live apart, and some (both men and women) even took vows of lifelong chastity/virginity. I reflect on the idea that Mary and Joseph may have been part of this group (as Mary had taken such a vow, and seemingly Joseph had, too)--and this was the environment in which Jesus was raised. And, one of the Gospels did call him a Nazarean. Again, all just possibilities, but from all the information available I still consider Jesus an Independent as opposed to a member of a particular sect. (I take it we both agree he was not a Sadducee! )

do you have a citation supporting your contention that the ESSENES were
"in opposition" to the Pharisees. As to NAZAREAN----of course Jesus
was a NOTZRI -----he was born over there. There is no evidence
whatsoever that he was a NAZARITE (that's english for people who take
the special "nazarite oath")----like samson. It is not actually a "sect" of
Judaism. Oath taking (neder) is a thing in Judaism----it does not denote
a conversion to a specific "sect" Jesus was not a Sadducee---THEY were
in opposition to the Pharisees. Caiaphas was a Sadducee and DESPISED
by the Pharisees-----the feeling was mutual. The opposition of Sadducees
to Pharisees and the Sadducean affinity to ROMAN RULE is---THE BIGGIE.
IMO---it is correct to say that Pharisee and Sadducee are SECTS. I am not
convinced that ESSENE is a "sect"-----it seems to be a monastic community

 

[irosie91]

Of course there is.

I heard that a trinity diddled a virgin to become a baby boy wearing diapers on Christmas day only to abolish his own laws, say nutty things that no one understood, perform a few mind blowing demonstrations of Divine power over reality and was reviled and rejected tortured and crucified as a "perfect human sacrifice" so that "believers" who celebrate his death, worship, and eat him, can remain assholes and sin with impunity for life because God loved the Roman world so much.

Who wouldn't love a maudlin story about a three in one edible god like that! THE DEVIL? lol..

What I have learned is that the world is full of stupid people.

Cool it hobie, someone might tell the pope to get that Keffiyeh off
the manger doll's little----uhm ---bottom

 

[hobelim]

Cool it hobie, someone might tell the pope to get that Keffiyeh off
the manger doll's little----uhm ---bottom

Yeah I know, I know. I was already warned that the papa has his own hitmen, but I have the vorpel sword! And he knows that I ain't afraid to use it, the only weapon that can slay the Jabberwocky.

He's papally shitting his diapers right about now. Stuck between a rock and a very hard place.

 

[irosie91]

Yeah I know, I know. I was already warned that the papa has his own hitmen, but I have the vorpel sword! And he knows that I ain't afraid to use it, the only weapon that can slay the Jabberwocky.

He's papally shitting his diapers right about now. Stuck between a rock and a very hard place.

does he use a keffiyeh too? good cotton cloth--very absorbent

 

[kjw47]

If Jesus was the first fruits of the dead then 100% were dead. So what. Once Jesus was raised up by God it was like splitting the atom and a chain reaction began which reversed the statistics.

Yes all go to sheol( Hebrew) = the grave= Hades( Greek)
All are dead until the resurrection. Which for the majority occurs here at Rev 20--It has not occurred yet.

 

[zaangalewa]

Sure, but "that filth" were just as misled barbaric and ruthless as "beguiled" well meaning [sic] trumpers in full regalia. Sadly some of the worst inquisitors were Jewish like some trumpers now.

Philistines.

The inquisitions - specially the Roman inquisition - had been in their time of history the most modern system of justice at all. All modern systems of justice today are basing on this what the inquisitions once had been. The "advocatus diabolus" for example - meanwhile a horror film figure - is today just simple called "criminal defense lawyer". Reason for this job 'ala inquisition': "Also the devil has the right to be defended!". This was anything else than normal in all other systems of justice. And the sado-maso propaganda "male inquisitor tortures innocent beautiful witch" is by the way exactly this: an absurde propaganda picture. I guess it was created during the culture fight of the Prussians against the Catholic church. Indeed where the inqusitions had been mighty nearly no witches or witchers had been burned. And it had been by the way Protestants who burned 90% women and only 10% men. Catholics had been much more emancipated and burned 50% men and 50% women. And the 2 million burned witches which the Prussian culture fight propagated are also wrong - it had been "only" about 50,000 (Protestants and Catholics together ~50:50) - and this did not happen in the middle ages this had happened in much more modern times.

In general most people preferred a process in front of the inquisition instead of other processes. The only real problem of the inqusition in the words of today: they used a wrong "therapeutic" premise. They tried to save the eternal soul and not the now living soul with totally wrong methods like torture. It was important for them that a delinquent confessed his guilt because only who is doing so is able to get forgiveness. They fought for that no one has to die the so called "second death". Circumstantial processes did just simple not exist at this time of history.

It was by the way wrong - always - to torture anyone. This is also today wrong. It helps not at all. In general: Who not respects life here now always also not respects god. God is life.

And your Mr. future president Donald Trump is no Christian - never had been. And you seem to have also a totally wrong understanding of the Philistines and who really had been Philistines in history.

By the way: Give me please the name of a "Jewish" inquisitor.

 

[SweetSue92]

'Repentance' means a change of heart--away from the behavior in which one was agreed--to another. If one was a drunkard, repentance would be giving up excess drink and behaving more soberly.

I don't know what all other Christian denominations teach, but Catholicism teaches that God is the author, and the giver of grace, that leads one to change from disobedience to obedience. God, through Jesus (Word) and the Holy Spirit, works within us to draw us to Himself and His ways. Another point Catholicism makes is in addressing what Paul described as a 'thorn in his side' or a sin (especially an addiction) that one cannot overcome. Paul is not the only Saint who has suffered through this, where God's grace was sufficient in sins we continually struggle to overcome and pray to have removed from our lives.

Bottom line: In both overcoming a sin, and in any failure to overcome a sin, Catholics rely on God's grace working within them. What does your denomination teach? (I guess I assumed it was the same in all Christian denominations, but maybe that's not the case?)

This happens after salvation. Yes, we call it sanctification.

You never answered the question:

For WHOM did Jesus die?

 

[zaangalewa]

Of course there is.

I heard that a trinity diddled a virgin to become a baby boy

The baby boy Jesus is triune god. And with the way how English speaking people do not think about sexuality has the expression "virgin" nothing to do. A virgin (=young woman) is just simple a young unmarried woman who is not a girl any longer.

wearing diapers on Christmas day ...

 

[zaangalewa]

... only to abolish his own laws,

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say nutty things that no one understood,

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perform a few mind blowing demonstrations of Divine power over reality and was reviled and rejected tortured and crucified as a "perfect human sacrifice" so that "believers" who celebrate his death, worship, and eat him, can remain assholes and sin with impunity for life because God loved the Roman world so much.

Who wouldn't love a maudlin story about a three in one edible god like that! THE DEVIL? lol..

What I have learned is that the world is full of stupid people.

What you not have learned is it that you are stupid on your own. What about if I will crucify you and kill you now because you attack me and my religion?



Mary went through a thorn forest,
Kyrie eleison.
Mary went through a thorn forest,
that has not borne leaves in seven years.
Jesus and Mary.

What did Mary carry under her heart?
Kyrie eleison.
A little child without pain,
Mary carried under her heart.
Jesus and Mary.

The thorns bore roses,
Kyrie eleison.
As the little child was carried through the forest,
the thorns bore roses.
Jesus and Mary.

 

[zaangalewa]

No its not the same.

Kosher Law as far as Jews Muslims Christians, everyone, is concerned should have nothing to do with food hatred or race but the behavior of human archetypes whatever their race or religion is

Hitler was insane

If you think Adolf Hitler had been mentally insane then you are wrong. He was a totally normal human being like all other human beings. Nothing special - except his narcissism - but narcissism is unfortunatelly a wide spread personality disorder. I would say Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Recep Erdogan and many other leading politicians and real or possible tyrants also suffer this personality disorder - perhaps also Benjamin Netanyahu suffers narcissism or perhaps he is a victim of a violent Russian education from the side of his own family history.

and condemned an entire people based on just being Jewish

Question: What is the difference for you between Germans and Jews?

which is pure evil,

It is said when Hitler had conquered France he thought about to wipe out Paris. He thought about while viewing down to Paris in the night. Then he decided not to do so. If this story is true then he was not "pure evil" as you say.

By the way: The allies wiped out Berlin. No one seriosly thought Germany will ever have any chance to be reborn after world war 2 and in case of Berlin was thought to build it up on another place because the ruins made it more difficult to rebuild it. In the end they rebuilded it at the same position only because of the waste water pipes. Question: Had been the allies more evil than Hitler? Hitler tried to wipe out all Jews and failed - but the allies really wiped out the Prussians (Kaliningrad now), the Silesians (part of Polen now), the Bohemians (Czechia now), the Moravians and others.

especially since that hatred was directed at the people who God entrusted his law, instruction, to

Which hatred? The hatred the Nazis used was hatred on the winners of world war 1 - and they personalized this hate in Jews as international Soviets (Russia) and international Capitalists (USA). Comparable is this hate for example with the currently existing hate on globalism.

 

[Meriweather]

For WHOM did Jesus die?

That's like asking, Where does the sun rise. Jesus died to redeem the world.

Perhaps you have a point you are trying to make? If so, why not make it rather than ask questions that are comparable to What is 1 + 1?

 

[norwegen]

Then why aren't Christians Jewish? I don't get it.

Because Christianity was a repudiation of Judaism.

 

[ding]

I almost figured that one out---but what "others" do jews refer to as "wild beasts" -----you seem to be thinking of GREEKS who considered all non-greeks not quite human---just raw material for slavery

A poster here did it. That's what started this specific discussion. Seems hypocrisy exists in all faiths even the fake ones.

 

[ding]

It's like you are trying to be wrong. Amazing skills. Keep guessing.

It hasn't been proven false yet.

 

[ding]

Ding is the perfect example of a person whose mind has been defiled and contaminated after being beguiled, bitten, by a poisonous talking serpent, tricked into setting aside Divine law to eat the flesh of swine that do not ruminate. He 'just believes' without reasoning and lost his mind, his soul, which is also evidence that the Law of God remains in effect and in full force and applies to everyone whatever they believe or don't. No human element was necessary to judge or enforce.

He died and descended into the realm of the dead in the very day decades ago when he first got on his knees in the bizarre adoration of a lifeless matzo made by human hands which can neither see, hear, speak, or walk, has no life, and is not God, that he worships and eats for spiritual life.

DERP.

So convert to Judaism? You really do make Jews look bad.

 

[ding]

then the conquistadores brought the Inquisition to the Americas---In
the Americas--that filth impacted mostly on the native americans---the
jews got away from most of it by "looking white"

Life is unfair. Expect to make sacrifices.

 

[ding]

Yes, for WHOM?

How does one get this repentence?

Don't confuse redemption for repenting. To repent means to change one's mind; to transform himself. It's a process; a journey. It's not an event. A relationship with the Trinity is helpful.

 

[ding]

I have four brothers ----and just one me----They could play in the fields and woods all day----I was TIED TO THE "facility" back home. NOT FAIR!!!!!!!

Life isn't fair. Expect to make sacrifices.

 

[ding]

Would you like to learn THE KREBS
CYCLE?

Only if you can tell me how evolutionary forces brought about krebs cycles.