Learning the wrong lesson. Gun Control.

[M14 Shooter]

Your response does nothing to diminish the fact you argue from ignorance.

The refuge of the semantic game player. The only defence left for these weapons.

Words mean things.
The words you use are woefully inaccurate, because of your ignorance.
Indeed, you cannot carry on an intelligent conversation on the issue because you do now know enough about it.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Nothing here addresses what he said.
Must be because you know he's right.

As one poster here put it, magazines don't kill. You guys should erect a few pyramids, you're on the right river.

The only denial here is yours, believing you know enough about the subject to discuss it w/o embarrassing yourself.

 

[cnm]

They will never be banned, and no one will attempt confiscation.

Laws within 10 days here, I think.

 

[cnm]

Half?

Yeah, about half. You disagree?

 

[cnm]

I read the New Zealand gun laws. I wondered why he didn’t use a Shotgun, assuming he was in compliance with the 7 round limit on magazines for rifles.

JFC. Large capacity magazines are reasonably easy to obtain illegally anywhere. And you witter about my ignorance.

 

[M14 Shooter]

They will never be banned, and no one will attempt confiscation.

Laws within 10 days here, I think.

"Here"? The land of hyperemotional reactionaries?
What will you do when the next mass shooting is perpetrated with a break-open shotgun?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Half?

Yeah, about half. You disagree?

So you're saying that only half of all gun murders are committed by handguns?

 

[hunarcy]

I read the New Zealand gun laws. I wondered why he didn’t use a Shotgun, assuming he was in compliance with the 7 round limit on magazines for rifles.

JFC. Large capacity magazines are reasonably easy to obtain illegally anywhere. And you witter about my ignorance.

I would doubt if you know what a true large capacity magazine is.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I read the New Zealand gun laws. I wondered why he didn’t use a Shotgun, assuming he was in compliance with the 7 round limit on magazines for rifles.

JFC. Large capacity magazines are reasonably easy to obtain illegally anywhere. And you witter about my ignorance.

I would doubt if you know what a true large capacity magazine is.

Indeed.
Standard capacity for the AR15 is 20 or 30 rounds, depending on the model.
Thus, "large" would be in excess of that.

 

[tycho1572]

I’m good with responsible people owning any type of gun they want. Here’s one example of why I say that.....

 

[SavannahMann]

So you don’t know anything about the weapons in question.

Your smugness is exceeded only by your inability to parse large capacity detachable magazines.

Do you know anything about firearms? Anything at all? Besides any experience you had as a child, I’m guessing last year, when you pointed your finger at someone and went “pew-pew”?

 

[SavannahMann]

They will never be banned, and no one will attempt confiscation.

Laws within 10 days here, I think.

Here in the US? Or here in New Zealand where the magazine limit is 7 rounds?

 

[miketx]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

AR 15 is not a military weapon, idiot.

 

[cnm]

Large capacity magazine on the Christchurch shooter's weapon. For Savannah man.

 

[miketx]

I could misapply the famous Ben Franklin quote here, but why? Let’s get to dealing with truth.

There were several reasons why the Second Amendment was passed. People tend to fixate on one, or another, of the reasons. But as I said above, we are dealing with truth. The Truth is that the Founders wanted to insure that this nation could never be invaded by a foreign power. They had just won a war where the Militia, that is to say the citizens who took up personal arms to fight the enemy, had played a major part. So yes, the idea that an armed population would be difficult to defeat was a part of the calculation.

But there is more. The Founders also knew that man was capable of a lot of things, good and bad. They knew that the Kings of Europe got power by subjugation of the population. An armed population would insure that the American Government would never be able to subjugate the citizens.

Yes, there is even more. The Founders also realized that there would be dangers in the frontiers, where threats to survival existed, in two legged, and four legged form.

I could type for a hour giving you all the various reasons that the Second Amendment was proposed, approved, and ratified. But here is another truth. None of those reasons matter to the anti gun people.

This is where your Patriotism comes into question. The desire to Support and Defend the Constitution, not just parts of it, but all of it. It is my almost certainly arrogant opinion that supposed Christians who attack someone claiming that God hates this, or that, from the Bible, are not truly Christian. They have to deal with the entire Bible, not just the portion they are quoting. They have to understand the message behind the Bible, and the lessons of God’s love, and His desires. They miss that message when they pick one small phrase out of a billion and run with it.

There was an episode of Major Dad that comes to mind. The High School of his oldest Step Daughter had established a Dress Code. The Daughter wrote an article for the School Newspaper critical of the policy. Major Dad went in to meet with the Teacher and discuss the article. The teacher asked several questions, and the Marine Major agreed that rules mattered, and it was incumbent upon people to obey the rules, and dress codes mattered. Then the Teacher said. “So I can see you agree that this article should not be published.” To this the Major said No Ma’am. He explained that somewhere in the school was a Civics Textbook, and in the book was the First Amendment, including Freedom of the press. He had sworn an oath to support and defend the constitution. All of it. Including the right of the press to write articles that were controversial.

That is my feelings towards the Constitution. I believe it all matters. Not just a bit here, or there. But every single line, and every single right. Even if the person using the right, or claiming it, is someone I disagree with. It does not matter. The individual, or the event, is not, and never can be, greater than the right for the future. No matter how horrific the act might be, the larger question, the Constitution, must endure.

So those who say they Love America, but hate the Second Amendment, and try to find ways to chip away at it, do not love this nation. Limiting rights is not the American way. It is not the purpose of the Constitution. It is not the reason the document has soul. It is our dedication to those rights that determines the future. Because Democracy is not what we have. Democracy is where a group votes to take from the individual. We have a Republic. That is where the rights of the Individual, matter more than the desires of the group. The right of the individual to denounce the Government they disapprove of, is sacrosanct. It is sacred. It must be defended by the majority, even if, especially if, they disagree with what the individual is saying.

The same is true of the Second Amendment. If you enjoy your rights, you must be willing to defend the rights of the people you disagree with. When I hear someone saying something that I disagree with, or is insulting. The first thing I think is Thank God for the First Amendment. When I hear that someone has bought a gun, I think Thank God for the Second Amendment. When a Judge throws out Evidence that is gotten illegally, and a criminal walks free. I think Thank God. Because those rights are being eroded far too fast now. And we need to push back, or none of us will have any rights at all. And that will be the death of America.

Patriots 10 Traitors 1 and we aren't even past the 1st quarter.

 

[miketx]

Large capacity magazine on the Christchurch shooter's weapon. For Savannah man.

Normal capacity magazine, liar.

 

[cnm]

What will you do when the next mass shooting is perpetrated with a break-open shotgun?

Be thankful for the limited casualties. You know, it's as though you've never thought why military weapons have large capacity detachable magazines. Oh well, the denial of US gun nuts is legendary.

 

[cnm]

AR 15 is not a military weapon, idiot.

The semantic defence. Hilarity.

 

[miketx]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

Fear is a choice. It is not incumbent upon others to assuage the fears of the fearful.

Oh you don't say, I remember the fear of a nuclear threat, we use to hide under desks, now the kids have a fear some gunman will attack them at their schools and kill them. Same thing, I don't think so, one is a drill , and one is a reality.

Arm the teachers.

 

[cnm]

Normal capacity magazine, liar.

Yeah. It's large. Normal magazine capacity here is 5 or 8 rounds.