Latest Ukrainian Peace Plan From the US...Ukraine Surrenders, NATO Cannot Expand; Russia Gives Up Nothing.

[Zavulon]

I wasn't asking Putin.

It's your basic mistake. It is up to the Russians to decide what exactly will happen to Ukronazies.

And even the most "freedom-loving" Ukrainians will serve in Russian army, if they have this chance.

 

[Zavulon]

OK, so no concessions? Then the Russian $300b in EU banks gets given to Ukraine. Better rethink those positions.

No problem. You stole our money - we send you to explore underwater life in concrete flippers, and then your heirs return us seven dollars for every stolen dollar.

 

[Kondor3]

Are you banned in Google, my young and overemotional friend?

Nope. Not all-that-interested in the subject matter you reference.

Unfortunately for you, that material neither states nor even implies "genocide" against the Russian People.

It merely labels the Russian Federation as a Colonial Power...

It merely states that there will never be global peace until Russia stops forcing non-Russian peoples to remain under the Russian boot-heel...

That's not "genocide"... that's merely common sense... and righteous...

As with most Russians... including your leadership... you lie.

 

[kyzr]

No problem. You stole our money - we send you to explore underwater life in concrete flippers, and then your heirs return us seven dollars for every stolen dollar.

So how much is the land Russia stole from Ukraine in this "war of aggression" worth, including Crimea?
$300b is a bargain.

 

[charlottebronte666]

 

[Zavulon]

Nope. Not all-that-interested in the subject matter you reference.

Unfortunately for you, that material neither states nor even implies "genocide" against the Russian People.

It merely labels the Russian Federation as a Colonial Power...

It merely states that there will never be global peace until Russia stops forcing non-Russian peoples to remain under the Russian boot-heel...

That's not "genocide"... that's merely common sense... and righteous...

As with most Russians... including your leadership... you lie.

It is pretty clear that "decolonisation" means genocide. We saw those "decolonisators" many times before. Anyway, if you think that Russia should be "decolonised" we are going to consider you as Nazies, too, and there will be neither sense, nor need in our attempts to save America diplomatically.

 

[Zavulon]

So how much is the land Russia stole from Ukraine in this "war of aggression" worth, including Crimea?
$300b is a bargain.

Russia didn't "steal" anything. We just took what is rightfully ours. $100b might be a proper bribe and reward for American help, if this diplomatic help is effective (not that effective so far). For $300b America should nuke London, Paris and Berlin.

 

[kyzr]

Russia didn't "steal" anything. We just took what is rightfully ours. $100b might be a proper bribe and reward for American help, if this diplomatic help is effective (not that effective so far). For $300b America should nuke London, Paris and Berlin.

US negotiator Steve Witkoff is headed to Moscow to meet with Putin next week.
Trump may want Jarad Kushner to go. with him for added brainpower.
I think we all know that there is no peace deal to be had.
Neither side will give up any territory.

 

[Zavulon]

US negotiator Steve Witkoff is headed to Moscow to meet with Putin next week.
Trump may want Jarad Kushner to go. with him for added brainpower.
I think we all know that there is no peace deal to be had.

Yes. It's not that easy to earn $100bn.

Neither side will give up any territory.

It is not about territory at all. It is about survival.

 

[kyzr]

Yes. It's not that easy to earn $100bn.

I'm not familiar with the EU's version of a peace deal, but they seem to be taking a harder line than Trump.
Looks like they can try to end the war, we'll see how next week goes.

It is not about territory at all. It is about survival.

There is no threat to Russia from Ukraine nor NATO.
Putin wants to reconstitute the old USSR. Not happening.
Putin's army is fighting in Ukraine since February 2022, so heading into the 4th year with 250,000 dead, not worth the land gain
Putin's economy is failing, when people are unhappy governments topple.
Putin needs to worry about is economy, not Ukraine or NATO.

 

[Zavulon]

I'm not familiar with the EU's version of a peace deal, but they seem to be taking a harder line than Trump.
Looks like they can try to end the war, we'll see how next week goes.

They just want to fight a war and genocide Russians.

There is no threat to Russia from Ukraine nor NATO.

Plain lie.

Putin wants to reconstitute the old USSR. Not happening.

I doubt he actually wants, but even if do, it doesn't matter.

Putin's army is fighting in Ukraine since February 2022, so heading into the 4th year with 250,000 dead, not worth the land gain
Putin's economy is failing, when people are unhappy governments topple.

Actually, more than 80% of Russians improved their economic situation since 2022. And people are happy when Ukrainians and NATO soldiers are getting killed. More of Western Barbarians killed - more safe Russians feel themselves.

Putin needs to worry about is economy, not Ukraine or NATO.

NATO countries are stealing our money and killing our people. It is bad for economy. If we want to improve our economy - we should feed to swines those fools who think that they can steal from Russians.

 

[kyzr]

The EU just wants to fight a war and genocide Russians.

No one wants to fight a war but Putin. We Americans just want to make money.

Plain lie.

Rewording. NATO is not a threat to Russia, unless Russia invades a NATO country.

I doubt Putin actually wants, to remake the old USSR, but even if does, it doesn't matter.

It does matter if he invades other countries. Or, pulls his old KGB playbook and creates unrest by stirring up the locals.

Actually, more than 80% of Russians improved their economic situation since 2022. And people are happy when Ukrainians and NATO soldiers are getting killed. More of Western Barbarians killed - more safe Russians feel themselves.

OK. If that is your view, then the sanctions may need to be tightened until the war stops.

NATO countries are stealing our money and killing our people. It is bad for economy. If we want to improve our economy - we should feed to swines those fools who think that they can steal from Russians.

Russians are stealing from Ukrainians, so don't play the victim. Russia is the aggressor and needs to be defeated, and the EU says "punished" so it doesn't invade any neighbors.

 

[Kondor3]

It is pretty clear that "decolonisation" means genocide.

Genocide means to KILL large numbers of people or to EJECT a population leaving them nowhere else to go.

None of that IS happening to ethnic Russians nor WILL that happen nor is anyone CALLING for that to happen.

If anything, Russia is guilty of doing just that over-and-over against against Ukraine and the various "-stan's" throughout history.

Stalin's starvation of Ukrainians and removal of Cossacks and ejection of Germans from Konigsburg (Kaliningrad) come to mind.

Not to mention intentional Russian importation of ethnic Russians into Eastern Ukraine to give a pretended basis for concern.

You people aren't fooling anyone above the age of 10 with these tactics and bull$hit attempts to spin-doctor a rewrite of history.

And you have the unmitigated GALL to accuse the present-day Europeans and The West of attempting "genocide".

You and your master are lying sacks of $hit.

...We saw those "decolonisators" many times before...

When? The Mongols? The Nazis? That's really about it, and has zero relevancy to the far more peaceful Europe of today.

Anyway, if you think that Russia should be "decolonised" we are going to consider you as Nazies, too, and there will be neither sense, nor need in our attempts to save America diplomatically.

I think the Russians should be content owning the largest land-mass in the world and stay within their own borders and grow-up politically and learn to actually govern themselves for the first time ever and become strong and respected and beloved members of the international community without playing the Drama Queen every few years and causing trouble.

Nobody's trying to commit genocide against Russians or take land away from you, you a$$holes. Grow-the-phukk up.

 

[Zavulon]

No one wants to fight a war but Putin. We Americans just want to make money.

And that is why you fight wars and limit trade? Are you kidding? You are destroying dollar.

Rewording. NATO is not a threat to Russia, unless Russia invades a NATO country.

Of course Russia is going to invade NATO countries unless they roll back their military infrastructure back to 1997 borders.

It does matter if he invades other countries. Or, pulls his old KGB playbook and creates unrest by stirring up the locals.

C'mon. You are stirring up the locals, we are stirring up locals. That's what the word "reciprocity" means (if I understand it correctly).

OK. If that is your view, then the sanctions may need to be tightened until the war stops.

Until the war escalated or your own population stirring up. The war won't stop until all goals of SMO achieved.

Russians are stealing from Ukrainians, so don't play the victim.

Russians are not stealing from Ukrainians, at least because Ukrainians are Russians.

Russia is the aggressor and needs to be defeated, and the EU says "punished" so it doesn't invade any neighbors.

It is another definition of "genocide". If we are alive, we are going to fight for our survival and "invade neighbours". That's what we are.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And that is why you fight wars and limit trade? Are you kidding? You are destroying dollar.

Of course Russia is going to invade NATO countries unless they roll back their military infrastructure back to 1997 borders.


C'mon. You are stirring up the locals, we are stirring up locals. That's what the word "reciprocity" means (if I understand it correctly).


Until the war escalated or your own population stirring up. The war won't stop until all goals of SMO achieved.


Russians are not stealing from Ukrainians, at least because Ukrainians are Russians.



It is another definition of "genocide". If we are alive, we are going to fight for our survival and "invade neighbours". That's what we are.

You are destroying dollar.

How's that crappy Ruble doing lately?

 

[kyzr]

And that is why you fight wars and limit trade? Are you kidding? You are destroying dollar.

Scott Bessent wants a strong dollar. The Ruble is down 63% since 2005, its almost worthless.
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Of course Russia is going to invade NATO countries unless they roll back their military infrastructure back to 1997 borders.

Very bad idea. This is what we call a "bluff". The Russian army can't even defeat the Ukrainians, they would get slaughtered by a modern NATO army.

C'mon. You are stirring up the locals, we are stirring up locals. That's what the word "reciprocity" means (if I understand it correctly).

True. It's what the CIA and FSB do.

Until the war escalated or your own population stirring up. The war won't stop until all goals of SMO achieved.

Won't stop until the last Russian, or North Korean soldier dies. Not a good strategy.

Russians are not stealing from Ukrainians, at least because Ukrainians are Russians.

No. That is not how they look at it. Ukraine is a sovereign country, independent of Russia.

It is another definition of "genocide". If we are alive, we are going to fight for our survival and "invade neighbours". That's what we are.

Not sure what "it" refers to as another definition of genocide?

The EU wants Russia punished for invading Ukraine. The punishment is generally thought of as sanctions, or confiscating the $300b held in EU banks, or both. Economic genocide is when the Ruble and Russian economy collapses.

 

[Zavulon]

You are destroying dollar.

How's that crappy Ruble doing lately?

Good enough. 78 roubles per dollar. And most of our foreign trade is in national currencies.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Good enough. 78 roubles per dollar. And most of our foreign trade is in national currencies.

78? What's with that weak ass shit?

 

[Zavulon]

Scott Bessent wants a strong dollar.

You've lost your industry because of the policy of "strong dollar".

The Ruble is down 63% since 2005, its almost worthless.
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30 roubles per dollar was pretty bad for export and productive economy. And now Russia in 3 months produce much more ordnance than the whole NATO produce in a year.

Very bad idea. This is what we call a "bluff".

It is not bluff.

The Russian army can't even defeat the Ukrainians, they would get slaughtered by a modern NATO army.

We are not going to defeat "Ukrainians", we want to save them. That's why it is "special operation". We won't be that careful and gentle in case of a war.

True. It's what the CIA and FSB do.

Won't stop until the last Russian, or North Korean soldier dies. Not a good strategy.

Of course. Fighting until last American soldier and civilian die is much better.

No. That is not how they look at it. Ukraine is a sovereign country, independent of Russia.

Of course no. It was an independent country, before they (some of them) had sold their sovereignity to West, and their souls to Satan, figurally saying.

Not sure what "it" refers to as another definition of genocide?

If they want to stop us, defending oursleves, it means that they want to kill us. While we are breathing, we are fighting.

The EU wants Russia punished for invading Ukraine. The punishment is generally thought of as sanctions, or confiscating the $300b held in EU banks, or both. Economic genocide is when the Ruble and Russian economy collapses.

And Russia wants EU punished for stirring up Ukraine and support of Neo-Nazi Kievan regime. And the punishment is generally thought of mass executions of anti-Russian politicians on the central squares of European capitals and destruction of European industry.