Latest Ukrainian Peace Plan From the US...Ukraine Surrenders, NATO Cannot Expand; Russia Gives Up Nothing.

[Hollie]

"senior officials allegedly stole millions from Energoatom, Ukranian nuclear company"

You know which part of American millitary aid went to Energoatom? No part.

You know which part of millitary aid that is spent in America, paying American companies to deliver heavy weapons to Ukraine was even possible to somehow steal? No part of course.

When are you going to start using your head?

You know your conspiracy theories are dull. The US taxpayers drenched the Ukie government with boatloads of cash in addition to military equipment.

 

[AntonToo]

You know your conspiracy theories are dull.

What "conspiracy theories" dummy?

That Ukraine's gov employees can't possibly steal HIMARS or other heavy weapons we pay our American companies to produce?

 

[Kondor3]

It is much better than see Russians died in nuked Russian cities.

Who is threatening to nuke Russian cities?

If "The West" (or the USA) didn't do it in the mid-1990s with Russia at its weakest in centuries they won't do it now.

The premise is false and foolhardy.

 

[Hollie]

What "conspiracy theories" dummy?

That Ukraine's gov employees can't possibly steal HIMARS or other heavy weapons we pay our American companies to produce?

The conspiracy theories you press, dummy.

https://www.gao.gov/ukraine-oversight

“… Other federal agencies have worked to address the economic and humanitarian needs of people affected by the invasion—including direct budget support to the Ukrainian government,
humanitarian assistance within Ukraine and to Ukrainian refugees in neighboring countries, and recovery assistance (such as repairing the energy grid and improving the country’s health sector).”

• Tracking funding. The State Department doesn't have a systematic, comprehensive approach to specifically track funding that federal agencies have provided for economic and humanitarian assistance to Ukraine. For example, State provided assistance to other countries affected by the crisis but didn't consistently include this assistance when tracking Ukraine-related funding.

The cash was flowing, dummy, without any real oversight.

You will have to claim you’re a dummy for being so stupid.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The conspiracy theories you press, dummy.

https://www.gao.gov/ukraine-oversight

“… Other federal agencies have worked to address the economic and humanitarian needs of people affected by the invasion—including direct budget support to the Ukrainian government,
humanitarian assistance within Ukraine and to Ukrainian refugees in neighboring countries, and recovery assistance (such as repairing the energy grid and improving the country’s health sector).”

• Tracking funding. The State Department doesn't have a systematic, comprehensive approach to specifically track funding that federal agencies have provided for economic and humanitarian assistance to Ukraine. For example, State provided assistance to other countries affected by the crisis but didn't consistently include this assistance when tracking Ukraine-related funding.

The cash was flowing, dummy, without any real oversight.

You will have to claim you’re a dummy for being so stupid.

^^

Spends all day sharting conspiracy theories

Pauses to accuse others of sharting conspiracy theories

I love this bar.

 

[Hollie]

^^

Spends all day sharting conspiracy theories

Pauses to accuse others of sharting conspiracy theories

I love this bar.

Little lady ffi spends all day in a coma and decides to spam the thread with her pointless babble.

 

[Zavulon]

Europe has that issue under it's control.

Europe officially declared genocide of Russians as one of their goals and they actually performed it on the territories under their control.

 

[Robert W]

Europe officially declared genocide of Russians as one of their goals and they actually performed it on the territories under their control.

Russia works this way. They invaded Ukraine and said to the world, gee, Ukraine does not like us.

 

[Zavulon]

Who is threatening to nuke Russian cities?

Genocide is not only nukes. And genocide is what Europeans actually performed on the territories under their control.

If "The West" (or the USA) didn't do it in the mid-1990s with Russia at its weakest in centuries they won't do it now.

In mid-1990 the USA didn't have NATO forces in Romania and hired proxies in Ukraine as well as proper ABD. Roll back NATO's military infrastructure back to 1997 borders, and, may be, there will be something to talk about.

 

[Zavulon]

Russia works this way. They invaded Ukraine and said to the world, gee, Ukraine does not like us.

It is not just about Ukraine. It is about NATO expansion in the first place. And no, Russia "invaded" Ukraine for pretty good reason.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It is not just about Ukraine. It is about NATO expansion in the first place. And no, Russia "invaded" Ukraine for pretty good reason.

It's outrageous!
Why should the nations formerly enslaved by the Soviet Union be allowed to defend themselves by joining NATO?

 

[Robert W]

It is not just about Ukraine. It is about NATO expansion in the first place. And no, Russia "invaded" Ukraine for pretty good reason.

If Nato is against Russia, Putin provided plenty of evidence they should be.

 

[Zavulon]

If Nato is against Russia, Putin provided plenty of evidence they should be.

As if NATO didn't provide plenty of evidence that Russia should eliminate NATO.

 

[Zavulon]

It's outrageous!
Why should the nations formerly enslaved by the Soviet Union be allowed to defend themselves by joining NATO?

Because they were previously "enslaved by the Soviet Union" for the very good reason. Most of them, more or less, but participated in the previous pan-European attempt to genocide Russians. Merciful and generous Russia, spared them, and just limited a bit their freedom to hurt Russians. And, they proved their viled and rotten nature when Russia gave them a freedom one more time. First thing they did - they have joined anti-Russian alliance and tryed to attack Russia one more time.

 

[Robert W]

Because they were previously "enslaved by the Soviet Union" for the very good reason. Most of them, more or less, but participated in the previous pan-European attempt to genocide Russians. Merciful and generous Russia, spared them, and just limited a bit their freedom to hurt Russians. And, they proved their viled and rotten nature when Russia gave them a freedom one more time. First thing they did - they have joined anti-Russian alliance and tryed to attack Russia one more time.

I was in East Germany after it was conquered by Russia. Russia treated them like prisoners of war.

 

[Zavulon]

I was in East Germany after it was conquered by Russia. Russia treated them like prisoners of war.

But the Russians didn't genocided them all, did they? That's a pretty good demostration how merciful and generous Russians are. May be, too merciful. Not sure we should spare them this time.

 

[Robert W]

But the Russians didn't genocided them all, did they? That's a pretty good demostration how merciful and generous Russians are. May be, too merciful. Not sure we should spare them this time.

Russians have only genocided others, never themselves.

 

[Kondor3]

...In mid-1990 the USA didn't have NATO forces in Romania...

In the mid-1990s we did not need a base in Romania to use nuclear weapons... and we did not.

In the mid-1990s we had forward bases in Germany and Turkey to engage conventionally... and we did not.

The US (and NATO) have no interest in taking-away Russian territory.

Russia, however, has consistently shown great interest in taking the territory of others... Russian Lebensraum.

...and hired proxies in Ukraine as well as proper ABD...

No... we did not hire proxies... we had very little involvement there until you miserable bastards invaded in 2014.

And then your second illegal aggression against Ukraine in February 2022 destroyed what little credibility you had.

Nowadays, nobody trusts you, and your westerly neighbors are now arming themselves to the teeth to fend you off.

We will join them in maintaining a close watch... if you attack them we will phukk you up.

...Roll back NATO's military infrastructure back to 1997 borders...

No. Your boy Putin miscalculated. He phukked-up. He can now explain his incompetence to the Russian People.

...and, may be, there will be something to talk about.

You're going to be sitting by yourself at that table for a long, long time...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Because they were previously "enslaved by the Soviet Union" for the very good reason. Most of them, more or less, but participated in the previous pan-European attempt to genocide Russians. Merciful and generous Russia, spared them, and just limited a bit their freedom to hurt Russians. And, they proved their viled and rotten nature when Russia gave them a freedom one more time. First thing they did - they have joined anti-Russian alliance and tryed to attack Russia one more time.

Most of them, more or less, but participated in the previous pan-European attempt to genocide Russians.

Largest country in the world, biggest inferiority complex.

Merciful and generous Russia, spared them, and just limited a bit their freedom to hurt Russians.

You're so full of shit.

And, they proved their viled and rotten nature when Russia gave them a freedom one more time.

Russia didn't give them anything, clown.

First thing they did - they have joined anti-Russian alliance

It's true, Russia sucks.

and tryed to attack Russia one more time.

Are you lying, or just drunk?

 

[Zavulon]

Most of them, more or less, but participated in the previous pan-European attempt to genocide Russians.

Largest country in the world, biggest inferiority complex.

It is not any kind of inferiority complex. In some way it is "superiority complex" (especially amongst religious people). You know, something like "We, Russians, are the choosen ones, we are the Third Rome (protector of the only True Christianity), the Communist Camp (future of Humanity), the Defenders of Traditional values (the last stronghold of pure Humanity) and so on, and, therefore all evil things living on our planet (like Satanists, Capitalists, Perverts, etc) want to eliminate us". I'm an apolitical atheist, I don't actually believe in all those things, I more prone to the Geographic Determinism, and I think, that Western Barbarians want to genocide us mostly to take our natural resources. And we, century after century, crush their spines.

Merciful and generous Russia, spared them, and just limited a bit their freedom to hurt Russians.

You're so full of shit.

Yes, I think that this act of mercy was a mistake, too, but many people believe that mercy is more important than justice.

And, they proved their viled and rotten nature when Russia gave them a freedom one more time.

Russia didn't give them anything, clown.

Of course Russia gave them freedom, willingly and openly dissmissed Warsaw Pact. And how did they answered on this jesture of goodwill?

First thing they did - they have joined anti-Russian alliance

It's true, Russia sucks.

Actually, Russia was just too good and kind those years. We didn't inspired enough of fear and terror in their rotten souls.

and tryed to attack Russia one more time.

Are you lying, or just drunk?

Thats what they actually do. They support genocide of Russians in Ukraine.