Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[Hutch Starskey]

Koper concluded by saying that “a new ban on large capacity magazines and assault weapons would certainly not be a panacea for gun crime, but it may help to prevent further spread of particularly dangerous weaponry and eventually bring small reductions in some of the most serious and costly gun crimes.”

That kind of guarded language may not make for great sound bites for either side in the gun debate, but it more accurately reflects Koper’s findings and conclusion.

— Robert Farley

Did the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban Work? - FactCheck.org

the effect of the 'assault weapon ban' was minimal, because 'assault weapons' were rarely used in crimes, even murders.

You have offered nothing to the discussion, just poking at our posts.

What is your solution?

_______________ no limit to fire rate?

_______________ no limit to arsenal size?

_______________ no limit to magazine/drum size?

______________ yes machine guns should be legal?

______________ the more guns the better?

_______X________ no limit to fire rate?

________X_______ no limit to arsenal size?

________X_______ no limit to magazine/drum size?

_____X_________ yes machine guns should be legal?
(they are, you should look it up)

_______X_______ the more guns the better?


Yes to all of your questions.

Nearly six hundred people. Let that sink in.

Let's be honest here.
We don't know how many people were actually shot and how many were injured in the stampede

Like it fucking matters.

 

[MarkDuffy]

republicans wanted Teddy Kennedy in jail for an auto accident.

cheney? Nope

 

[Auld Phart]

republicans wanted Teddy Kennedy in jail for an auto accident.

cheney? Nope

did Cheney leave the area where the accident happened?

 

[MarkDuffy]

It's not simplistic. Your argument is. These are guns. Guns designed to kill.
Measures have been taken to mitigate the possibility of attacks in every other way. Cockpit doors are fortified and TSA screens passengers. Cities around the world are working to better protect large gatherings of pedestrians from vehicles. The glaring difference is of course that America has done nothing to address these attacks. Not one thing. In fact, people like you actively fight against it. So when you use arguments like, " ya but...trucks", it is not only simplistic but dumb.

European Cities Add Barriers to Thwart Vehicle Attacks

Guns are designed to propel a projectile at a target
Anything else that happens is the shooter's responsibility.

OK so how do you stop these type of attacks without trampling on the rights of people who own guns or want to own guns who will never commit such a crime?

Paddock made exactly the same claim

And? That means what exactly?

The gun shops say that he was a fine man when they sold weapons to him

They said the same about me last time I bought a firearm.

Does that mean I'm going to turn into a mass murderer?

There is a distinct possibility, yes.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Derp!

Which of course has not a fucking thing to do with Paddock.

Thinking only guns are good weapons for mass murder is a bit shallow no?

In this case they are, dope.

And you can't see why using the argument that a particular thing is good for mass murder to support regulation is simplistic?

It's not simplistic. Your argument is. These are guns. Guns designed to kill.
Measures have been taken to mitigate the possibility of attacks in every other way. Cockpit doors are fortified and TSA screens passengers. Cities around the world are working to better protect large gatherings of pedestrians from vehicles. The glaring difference is of course that America has done nothing to address these attacks. Not one thing. In fact, people like you actively fight against it. So when you use arguments like, " ya but...trucks", it is not only simplistic but dumb.

European Cities Add Barriers to Thwart Vehicle Attacks

Guns are designed to propel a projectile at a target
Anything else that happens is the shooter's responsibility.

OK so how do you stop these type of attacks without trampling on the rights of people who own guns or want to own guns who will never commit such a crime?

Not all guns are created equal. That's bullshit especially when you get into additional equipment and modifications.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I think it is time to discuss reasonable gun control measures...

We already have plenty of reasonable gun control laws.

It's about time we started enforcing these laws with an iron fist

There's nothing to enforce on Paddock

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Functionally illiterate?

Three letter word. For, maybe?

no, are you?

is 'for' the only 3 letter word with an 'o' in the middle?

But at least I can change my 'huh' for a laugh now that I can read the sentence.

It's the one that makes sense. Are you really that incompetent that you can't work around a typo?

Sure, anything to avoid addressing the point.

your statement:

The don't need that capacity for themselves

it is not a 'need', it is a desire.

Just like people that want a bigger house, a faster car, etc.

And they don't NEED a legal way to own it.

Stop being a dick.

i can come up with a list a mile long of things you don't "need" but it's none of my business is it?

This has been said a thousand times. It never ceases to be a dumb argument.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It's not simplistic. Your argument is. These are guns. Guns designed to kill.
Measures have been taken to mitigate the possibility of attacks in every other way. Cockpit doors are fortified and TSA screens passengers. Cities around the world are working to better protect large gatherings of pedestrians from vehicles. The glaring difference is of course that America has done nothing to address these attacks. Not one thing. In fact, people like you actively fight against it. So when you use arguments like, " ya but...trucks", it is not only simplistic but dumb.

European Cities Add Barriers to Thwart Vehicle Attacks

Guns are designed to propel a projectile at a target
Anything else that happens is the shooter's responsibility.

OK so how do you stop these type of attacks without trampling on the rights of people who own guns or want to own guns who will never commit such a crime?

Paddock made exactly the same claim

And? That means what exactly?

The gun shops say that he was a fine man when they sold weapons to him

They said the same about me last time I bought a firearm.

Does that mean I'm going to turn into a mass murderer?

That is yet to be determined. They're all good guys with a gun until they arent.

 

[Dalia]

What was Paddock's motivation?
When we analyze the whole situation.
1- It was premeditated, the location facing the concert.
2- two broken windows to be fired at both places with several spare weapons in the room or a window broken but not used?

3 Staying at -A casino, a bankruptcy, a loss of money that would have led to the massacre?
Maybe He always rented the same room because the owner knew who was a big player, so he did not pay anything so he could play big at the casino.
4- Someone at the Country Music Concert was targeted there? a revenge?
5- He could not just have became a nutcase in a short time and do his carnage because it was premeditated .
6- He was in debt following the games, and he wanted to commit suicide and kill other people too?
7- Or one of the worst scenarios in a way is that he just wanted to be serial killer for no apparent reason ?
I hope that we will soon have answers for the victims, the wounded, the families because they wonder WHY?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Guns are designed to propel a projectile at a target
Anything else that happens is the shooter's responsibility.

OK so how do you stop these type of attacks without trampling on the rights of people who own guns or want to own guns who will never commit such a crime?

Paddock made exactly the same claim

And? That means what exactly?

The gun shops say that he was a fine man when they sold weapons to him

They said the same about me last time I bought a firearm.

Does that mean I'm going to turn into a mass murderer?

There is a distinct possibility, yes.

Definitely in the demographic.

 

[MarkDuffy]

Guns are designed to propel a projectile at a target
Anything else that happens is the shooter's responsibility.

OK so how do you stop these type of attacks without trampling on the rights of people who own guns or want to own guns who will never commit such a crime?

Paddock made exactly the same claim

And? That means what exactly?

The gun shops say that he was a fine man when they sold weapons to him

They said the same about me last time I bought a firearm.

Does that mean I'm going to turn into a mass murderer?

That is yet to be determined. They're all good guys with a gun until they arent.

I have seen more than my share of gunnuts and how they change. It starts with the Rambo mentality. then the cute phrases during "discussions" especially at parties. "You do remember I am a gun owner, right?"

 

[Auld Phart]

Guns are designed to propel a projectile at a target
Anything else that happens is the shooter's responsibility.

OK so how do you stop these type of attacks without trampling on the rights of people who own guns or want to own guns who will never commit such a crime?

Paddock made exactly the same claim

And? That means what exactly?

The gun shops say that he was a fine man when they sold weapons to him

They said the same about me last time I bought a firearm.

Does that mean I'm going to turn into a mass murderer?

That is yet to be determined. They're all good guys with a gun until they arent.

agreed.

how do we separate the bad ones, and not abuse the good ones?

 

[Coyote]

And i wonder if any has considered that maybe there is no left/right to it at all?

Sure there's a left/right to it. The right wants to fight back against the criminals, and for that we need guns.

The left wants only criminals to have guns, like in Britain. So they can take anything they want whenever they want it.

How about sticking to reality?

 

[MarkDuffy]

Paddock made exactly the same claim

And? That means what exactly?

The gun shops say that he was a fine man when they sold weapons to him

They said the same about me last time I bought a firearm.

Does that mean I'm going to turn into a mass murderer?

That is yet to be determined. They're all good guys with a gun until they arent.

agreed.

how do we separate the bad ones, and not abuse the good ones?

You start by realizing the problem of too much firepower and the simple fact that people change, sometimes quickly.

 

[Rocko]

Judging by his arsenal of weapons, I don't think he planned on getting recognized as soon as he did. He may not have accounted for the smoke alarms

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Paddock made exactly the same claim

And? That means what exactly?

The gun shops say that he was a fine man when they sold weapons to him

They said the same about me last time I bought a firearm.

Does that mean I'm going to turn into a mass murderer?

That is yet to be determined. They're all good guys with a gun until they arent.

agreed.

how do we separate the bad ones, and not abuse the good ones?

Firstly, you need to get off this "abuse" mentality. Are you really that upset if mods like bump stock and high cap mags go away?

Secondly, gun owners are going to have to be part of the solution. The status quo is untenable. At some point the safety of your fellow citizens has to be more important than your toys.


I own several myself. All normal stuff. Nothing exotic. I just like to shoot. I have never cared for the nutty lifestyle people build around guns. For a lot of people its gone well beyond a simple hobby and morphed into a whole nutty philosophy that is almost a religion.

 

[MarkDuffy]

Judging by his arsenal of weapons, I don't think he planned on getting recognized as soon as he did. He may not have accounted for the smoke alarms

I don't think any of these clowns expect to get away with it

 

[Rocko]

Judging by his arsenal of weapons, I don't think he planned on getting recognized as soon as he did. He may not have accounted for the smoke alarms

I don't think any of these clowns expect to get away with it

Oh it's not that I believe he intended on getting away with it, I believe he thought he would have longer time to inflict damage

 

[Coyote]

That was the best bill that could pass at the time and it did help. It tried to address fire rate. The NRA used loopholes to continue the ever increasing fire rate.

That was the best bill that could pass at the time and it did help.

how did it help?

Koper concluded by saying that “a new ban on large capacity magazines and assault weapons would certainly not be a panacea for gun crime, but it may help to prevent further spread of particularly dangerous weaponry and eventually bring small reductions in some of the most serious and costly gun crimes.”

That kind of guarded language may not make for great sound bites for either side in the gun debate, but it more accurately reflects Koper’s findings and conclusion.

— Robert Farley

Did the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban Work? - FactCheck.org

the effect of the 'assault weapon ban' was minimal, because 'assault weapons' were rarely used in crimes, even murders.

You have offered nothing to the discussion, just poking at our posts.

What is your solution?

_______________ no limit to fire rate?

_______________ no limit to arsenal size?

_______________ no limit to magazine/drum size?

______________ yes machine guns should be legal?

______________ the more guns the better?

ding! ding! We have a winner, winner, chicken dinner!

Thinking only guns are good weapons for mass murder is a bit shallow no?

In this case they are, dope.

And you can't see why using the argument that a particular thing is good for mass murder to support regulation is simplistic?

It's not simplistic. Your argument is. These are guns. Guns designed to kill.
Measures have been taken to mitigate the possibility of attacks in every other way. Cockpit doors are fortified and TSA screens passengers. Cities around the world are working to better protect large gatherings of pedestrians from vehicles. The glaring difference is of course that America has done nothing to address these attacks. Not one thing. In fact, people like you actively fight against it. So when you use arguments like, " ya but...trucks", it is not only simplistic but dumb.

European Cities Add Barriers to Thwart Vehicle Attacks

Theresa May Sums Up A Sobering Reality About U.S. Gun Laws
“Most people would look at this and assume that people in America would be so shocked by this attack that they would want to take some action,” she said.

Theresa May Sums Up A Sobering Reality About U.S. Gun Laws | HuffPost

Oh yeah, let's be like the UK and disarm everybody, then let Muslims in unrestricted so they can murder us with swords, bombs, and illegal guns.

That is part of the problem...start talking about any sort of restrictions and you guys go on about disarming everyone. Almost no one wants that just like almost no one wants heavy armaments in civilisn hands.

Why should machinr guns be legal? They hsve one purpose and one purpose only and that is to kill large numbrts of people very quickly.

 

[Coyote]

Neither will the Dimocrats.

They want to ban 'assault' rifles again, like Clinton did, based on the actions of a dozen or so people that misused them, and ignore the millions of other owners that havent' .

(not to mention, they look scary)

That was the best bill that could pass at the time and it did help. It tried to address fire rate. The NRA used loopholes to continue the ever increasing fire rate.

That was the best bill that could pass at the time and it did help.

how did it help?

Koper concluded by saying that “a new ban on large capacity magazines and assault weapons would certainly not be a panacea for gun crime, but it may help to prevent further spread of particularly dangerous weaponry and eventually bring small reductions in some of the most serious and costly gun crimes.”

That kind of guarded language may not make for great sound bites for either side in the gun debate, but it more accurately reflects Koper’s findings and conclusion.

— Robert Farley

Did the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban Work? - FactCheck.org

the effect of the 'assault weapon ban' was minimal, because 'assault weapons' were rarely used in crimes, even murders.

You have offered nothing to the discussion, just poking at our posts.

What is your solution?

_______________ no limit to fire rate?

No fully automatic

_______________ no limit to arsenal size
No limit but they should be registered.

_______________ no limit to magazine/drum size?
Yes limits

______________ yes machine guns should be legal?
No

______________ the more guns the better
If you want...but they should be registered