Las Vegas shooting - a point not yet made

[HappyJoy]

Actually that's not what I said.

I know. I fixed your multitude of errors.
'Assault weapons' are used to kill more people in the 10 deadliest mass shootings than any other weapon.
I ask again: So what?

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Nope, everything I said was accurate. You actually changed the meaning to some sort of claim I never made.

Why? To be honest that assault style weapons are more deadly than other types of guns so that when people debate gun issues they are being honest. That's why.

First.....none of the weapons you listed are "Assault Weapons," so you aren't even addressing the topic..... and the rifles used are not "more deadly," than pistols or shotguns. How deadly a weapon is depends on who they are used against and the location....... 2 pistols in Virginia Tech killed 32 people....the rifle you want banned killed only 3 at Gilroy......location, not the rifle, is the main determinant of deaths.

These assault style weapons when used in mass shootings average out more killed and wounded.

So?

Already answered. Several times. At least you accept the facts, maybe pass it on to the other guy.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You don't even know what you are talking about.....Columbine did not use AR-15s.......they didn't even use rifles.

He has gone out of his way to demonstrate his ignorance in his effort to make sure we know the "facts"

"Assaut rifles"

 

[M14 Shooter]

Again, mass shootings where an assault style weapon is used averages out more casualties.

So?

They kill more when used. Kind of like how an ICBM with a nuclear war head can kill more than one without.

OK... so?

 

[HappyJoy]

That even those assault style weapons are only used in 25% of mass shootings they managed to be used in 6 out of the 10 largest mass shootings

That's a "fact" not a "point".

Fact:
Assault style weapons are only used in 25% of mass shootings they managed to be used in 6 out of the 10 largest mass shootings
So what?
(Hint: Here's where you make your point)

The point is pretty obvious. Assault style weapons create more casualties than other types of weapons, so why lie about it?

They don't.....as you have been shown over and over again. The shootings you listed where they used rifles would have resulted in the same number of deaths if they had used pistols instead of the rifle. The only exception is Vegas because of the long distance of the shooting. Had the shooter gone in on foot with pistols, he could have had just as many casualties......

Then how come since Columbine assault style weapons have been used in 25% of mass shootings yet responsible for 40% of those killed and 69% of those killed? And no, you have not demonstrated anything.

It is the location the shooter picks that creates the deaths.......since he can substitute pistols or shotguns for a rifle.

Again, mass shootings where an assault style weapon is used averages out more casualties.

You don't even know what you are talking about.....Columbine did not use AR-15s.......they didn't even use rifles.

Notice.....

Columbine High School massacre - Wikipedia

Guns
In the months prior to the attacks, Harris and Klebold acquired two 9 mm firearms and two 12-gauge shotguns. Harris had a Hi-Point 995 Carbine with thirteen 10-round magazines and a Savage-Springfield 67H pump-action shotgun. Klebold used a 9×19mm Intratec TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun with one 52-, one 32-, and one 28-round magazine and a Stevens 311D double-barreled shotgun. Harris's shotgun was sawed-off to around 26 inches (0.66 m) and Klebold shortened his shotgun's length to 23 inches (0.58 m), a felony under the National Firearms Act.[53][54]

Um, I said since Columbine.

 

[2aguy]

Actually that's not what I said.

I know. I fixed your multitude of errors.
'Assault weapons' are used to kill more people in the 10 deadliest mass shootings than any other weapon.
I ask again: So what?

\

Nope, everything I said was accurate. You actually changed the meaning to some sort of claim I never made.

Why? To be honest that assault style weapons are more deadly than other types of guns so that when people debate gun issues they are being honest. That's why.

First.....none of the weapons you listed are "Assault Weapons," so you aren't even addressing the topic..... and the rifles used are not "more deadly," than pistols or shotguns. How deadly a weapon is depends on who they are used against and the location....... 2 pistols in Virginia Tech killed 32 people....the rifle you want banned killed only 3 at Gilroy......location, not the rifle, is the main determinant of deaths.

These assault style weapons when used in mass shootings average out more killed and wounded. I'm sorry you can't reconcile that.

They had more kills because the targets they chose were gun free zones....and they learned from previous shooters.......again....since you seem a little slow on the uptake.....any of the shootings done with rifles could have been done with pistols.......the only exception is Vegas because the long range of the attack........

In fact......outside of the exception of the Vegas shooting, with 4oo yard shooting distance......Virginia Tech had the highest number of dead, at 32 with 2 pistols.....Luby's cafe, with 2 pistols had 24, Sandy Hook with the rifle had 26, and could have been done with pistols...the only reason Sandy Hook had so many deaths is the shooter planned the attack and targeted the smallest, most helpless children in the school.....

You have no argument that is rational.......

 

[M14 Shooter]

So?

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Already answered. Several times. At least you accept the facts, maybe pass it on to the other guy.

Still wondering why you think this matters.
So are you, apparently.

 

[Flash]

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When shooters use AR style weapons they kill and injure more. .

Where the hell did you come up with that silliness?

Only about 1% of all gunshot deaths are caused by AR-15 or other firearms that the Moon Bats call "assault weapons".

The great majority of gun deaths are caused by cheap handguns shot by druggies, gangbangers and minority thugs in Democrat controlled big city shitholes.

 

[2aguy]

Actually that's not what I said.

I know. I fixed your multitude of errors.
'Assault weapons' are used to kill more people in the 10 deadliest mass shootings than any other weapon.
I ask again: So what?

\

Nope, everything I said was accurate. You actually changed the meaning to some sort of claim I never made.

Why? To be honest that assault style weapons are more deadly than other types of guns so that when people debate gun issues they are being honest. That's why.

First.....none of the weapons you listed are "Assault Weapons," so you aren't even addressing the topic..... and the rifles used are not "more deadly," than pistols or shotguns. How deadly a weapon is depends on who they are used against and the location....... 2 pistols in Virginia Tech killed 32 people....the rifle you want banned killed only 3 at Gilroy......location, not the rifle, is the main determinant of deaths.

These assault style weapons when used in mass shootings average out more killed and wounded. I'm sorry you can't reconcile that.

18 million AR-15 rifles.......ladders kill more people than these rifles do each year....by a large number......bicycles kill more people than these rifles do each year, by a large number.....

You have no rational argument.....

 

[2aguy]

[Q




When shooters use AR style weapons they kill and injure more. .

Where the hell did you come up with that silliness?

Only about 1% of all gunshot deaths are caused by AR-15 or other firearms that the Moon Bats call "assault weapons".

The great majority of gun deaths are caused by cheap handguns shot by druggies, gangbangers and minority thugs in Democrat controlled big city shitholes.

They are trying to focus on mass public shootings because they want to ban AR-15s......knowing that if we allow them to ban those rifles, they can come back and demand that all other semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns can be banned since they are operate the same way.

 

[HappyJoy]

Actually that's not what I said.

I know. I fixed your multitude of errors.
'Assault weapons' are used to kill more people in the 10 deadliest mass shootings than any other weapon.
I ask again: So what?

\

Nope, everything I said was accurate. You actually changed the meaning to some sort of claim I never made.

Why? To be honest that assault style weapons are more deadly than other types of guns so that when people debate gun issues they are being honest. That's why.

First.....none of the weapons you listed are "Assault Weapons," so you aren't even addressing the topic..... and the rifles used are not "more deadly," than pistols or shotguns. How deadly a weapon is depends on who they are used against and the location....... 2 pistols in Virginia Tech killed 32 people....the rifle you want banned killed only 3 at Gilroy......location, not the rifle, is the main determinant of deaths.

These assault style weapons when used in mass shootings average out more killed and wounded. I'm sorry you can't reconcile that.

They had more kills because the targets they chose were gun free zones....and they learned from previous shooters.......again....since you seem a little slow on the uptake.....any of the shootings done with rifles could have been done with pistols.......the only exception is Vegas because the long range of the attack........

In fact......outside of the exception of the Vegas shooting, with 4oo yard shooting distance......Virginia Tech had the highest number of dead, at 32 with 2 pistols.....Luby's cafe, with 2 pistols had 24, Sandy Hook with the rifle had 26, and could have been done with pistols...the only reason Sandy Hook had so many deaths is the shooter planned the attack and targeted the smallest, most helpless children in the school.....

You have no argument that is rational.......

Oh, I didn't realize that only assault style weapons were used in gun free zones. BS.

Assault style weapons are used in 25% of mass shootings and responsible for 40% of those killed and 69% of those who are wounded.

 

[M14 Shooter]

They are trying to focus on mass public shootings because they want to ban AR-15s....

Correct.
They know the only way they can advance their agenda is to prey on the emotions of the ignorant.

 

[HappyJoy]

[Q




When shooters use AR style weapons they kill and injure more. .

Where the hell did you come up with that silliness?

Only about 1% of all gunshot deaths are caused by AR-15 or other firearms that the Moon Bats call "assault weapons".

The great majority of gun deaths are caused by cheap handguns shot by druggies, gangbangers and minority thugs in Democrat controlled big city shitholes.

Mass shootings, if you've been paying attention you'd know that.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Assault style weapons are used in 25% of mass shootings and responsible for 40% of those killed and 69% of those who are wounded.

And, apparently, you cannot tell us why this matters.

 

[2aguy]

I know. I fixed your multitude of errors.
'Assault weapons' are used to kill more people in the 10 deadliest mass shootings than any other weapon.
I ask again: So what?

\

Nope, everything I said was accurate. You actually changed the meaning to some sort of claim I never made.

Why? To be honest that assault style weapons are more deadly than other types of guns so that when people debate gun issues they are being honest. That's why.

First.....none of the weapons you listed are "Assault Weapons," so you aren't even addressing the topic..... and the rifles used are not "more deadly," than pistols or shotguns. How deadly a weapon is depends on who they are used against and the location....... 2 pistols in Virginia Tech killed 32 people....the rifle you want banned killed only 3 at Gilroy......location, not the rifle, is the main determinant of deaths.

These assault style weapons when used in mass shootings average out more killed and wounded. I'm sorry you can't reconcile that.

They had more kills because the targets they chose were gun free zones....and they learned from previous shooters.......again....since you seem a little slow on the uptake.....any of the shootings done with rifles could have been done with pistols.......the only exception is Vegas because the long range of the attack........

In fact......outside of the exception of the Vegas shooting, with 4oo yard shooting distance......Virginia Tech had the highest number of dead, at 32 with 2 pistols.....Luby's cafe, with 2 pistols had 24, Sandy Hook with the rifle had 26, and could have been done with pistols...the only reason Sandy Hook had so many deaths is the shooter planned the attack and targeted the smallest, most helpless children in the school.....

You have no argument that is rational.......

Oh, I didn't realize that only assault style weapons were used in gun free zones. BS.

Assault style weapons are used in 25% of mass shootings and responsible for 40% of those killed and 69% of those who are wounded.

And with the lone exception of Vegas...Pistols killed the more people than rifles have.....32...the most in any shooting that didn't require 400 yard shots......

They are not Assault Style weapons.......and ladders kill more people than all Rifles do......combined......bicycles kill more people every single year than all rifles do......

You have no rational argument...

 

[HappyJoy]

Actually that's not what I said.

I know. I fixed your multitude of errors.
'Assault weapons' are used to kill more people in the 10 deadliest mass shootings than any other weapon.
I ask again: So what?

\

Nope, everything I said was accurate. You actually changed the meaning to some sort of claim I never made.

Why? To be honest that assault style weapons are more deadly than other types of guns so that when people debate gun issues they are being honest. That's why.

First.....none of the weapons you listed are "Assault Weapons," so you aren't even addressing the topic..... and the rifles used are not "more deadly," than pistols or shotguns. How deadly a weapon is depends on who they are used against and the location....... 2 pistols in Virginia Tech killed 32 people....the rifle you want banned killed only 3 at Gilroy......location, not the rifle, is the main determinant of deaths.

These assault style weapons when used in mass shootings average out more killed and wounded. I'm sorry you can't reconcile that.

18 million AR-15 rifles.......ladders kill more people than these rifles do each year....by a large number......bicycles kill more people than these rifles do each year, by a large number.....

You have no rational argument.....

Considering that ladders and bicycles are used way, way more than AR-15 rifles it'd be horrifically sad if that weren't the case. Most people will never shoot an AR-15 yet almost everyone will use a bike or ladder...what? Hundreds or thousands of times in their life? Your argument is so intellectually dishonest.

 

[M14 Shooter]

And with the lone exception of Vegas...Pistols killed the more people than rifles have.....32...the most in any shooting that didn't require 400 yard shots......

This is correct.
Save for LV, every mass shooting in the US could have been perpetrated, with the same or greater casualty count, by someone with a pump-action shotgun.

 

[2aguy]

[Q




When shooters use AR style weapons they kill and injure more. .

Where the hell did you come up with that silliness?

Only about 1% of all gunshot deaths are caused by AR-15 or other firearms that the Moon Bats call "assault weapons".

The great majority of gun deaths are caused by cheap handguns shot by druggies, gangbangers and minority thugs in Democrat controlled big city shitholes.

Mass shootings, if you've been paying attention you'd know that.

Mass public shootings in 2019....10. 73 killed total.

Mass public shootings in 2018....12. 93 killed total.

Ladders kill over 300 every single year.

Bicycles kill over 300 every single year.

Cars kill over 38,000 every single year and a rental truck, in one attack, killed 86 and wounded 435.

Not matter how nice ladders, bicycles and trucks are, you can't ignore how many people they kill every single year......

 

[HappyJoy]

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Nope, everything I said was accurate. You actually changed the meaning to some sort of claim I never made.

Why? To be honest that assault style weapons are more deadly than other types of guns so that when people debate gun issues they are being honest. That's why.

First.....none of the weapons you listed are "Assault Weapons," so you aren't even addressing the topic..... and the rifles used are not "more deadly," than pistols or shotguns. How deadly a weapon is depends on who they are used against and the location....... 2 pistols in Virginia Tech killed 32 people....the rifle you want banned killed only 3 at Gilroy......location, not the rifle, is the main determinant of deaths.

These assault style weapons when used in mass shootings average out more killed and wounded. I'm sorry you can't reconcile that.

They had more kills because the targets they chose were gun free zones....and they learned from previous shooters.......again....since you seem a little slow on the uptake.....any of the shootings done with rifles could have been done with pistols.......the only exception is Vegas because the long range of the attack........

In fact......outside of the exception of the Vegas shooting, with 4oo yard shooting distance......Virginia Tech had the highest number of dead, at 32 with 2 pistols.....Luby's cafe, with 2 pistols had 24, Sandy Hook with the rifle had 26, and could have been done with pistols...the only reason Sandy Hook had so many deaths is the shooter planned the attack and targeted the smallest, most helpless children in the school.....

You have no argument that is rational.......

Oh, I didn't realize that only assault style weapons were used in gun free zones. BS.

Assault style weapons are used in 25% of mass shootings and responsible for 40% of those killed and 69% of those who are wounded.

And with the lone exception of Vegas...Pistols killed the more people than rifles have.....32...the most in any shooting that didn't require 400 yard shots......

They are not Assault Style weapons.......and ladders kill more people than all Rifles do......combined......bicycles kill more people every single year than all rifles do......

You have no rational argument...

Per the link I had provided assault style weapons have been used in 25% of all mass shootings yet responsible for 40% of those killed and 69% of those injured. You seem to be incapable of responding to this.

EDIT: Since Columbine

 

[2aguy]

I know. I fixed your multitude of errors.
'Assault weapons' are used to kill more people in the 10 deadliest mass shootings than any other weapon.
I ask again: So what?

\

Nope, everything I said was accurate. You actually changed the meaning to some sort of claim I never made.

Why? To be honest that assault style weapons are more deadly than other types of guns so that when people debate gun issues they are being honest. That's why.

First.....none of the weapons you listed are "Assault Weapons," so you aren't even addressing the topic..... and the rifles used are not "more deadly," than pistols or shotguns. How deadly a weapon is depends on who they are used against and the location....... 2 pistols in Virginia Tech killed 32 people....the rifle you want banned killed only 3 at Gilroy......location, not the rifle, is the main determinant of deaths.

These assault style weapons when used in mass shootings average out more killed and wounded. I'm sorry you can't reconcile that.

18 million AR-15 rifles.......ladders kill more people than these rifles do each year....by a large number......bicycles kill more people than these rifles do each year, by a large number.....

You have no rational argument.....

Considering that ladders and bicycles are used way, way more than AR-15 rifles it'd be horrifically sad if that weren't the case. Most people will never shoot an AR-15 yet almost everyone will use a bike or ladder...what? Hundreds or thousands of times in their life? You're argument is so intellectually dishonest.

It is as rational as your argument is.........

Total killed by rifles in mass public shootings in 2019..... 73.

Total number of just AR-15 rifles in the country....over 18 million.

Total killed by ladders....300.

Total killed by bicycles...345.

If it is the number killed each year, you need to demand ladders and bicycles be banned...according to your argument.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Per the link I had provided assault style weapons have been used in 25% of all mass shootings yet responsible for 40% of those killed and 69% of those injured. You seem to be incapable of responding to this.

And, apparently, you cannot tell us why this matters.