Largest tax increase in history?

[Google]

Oh, and the reports of the cost of it doubling are also totally bullshit, even according The Conservative Nationalist Review:

No, Obamacare

(Sure, they still hate on the bill, but at least the author is practicing intellectual honesty)

Do you currently have health insurance?

Yup. I sure do.

Have your premiums increased?

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Do you currently have health insurance?

Yup. I sure do.

Have your premiums increased?

Marginally.

But you do bring up a good point.

How about we just go to single payer? Then everyone's taxes cover EVERYONE's insurance? I mean, we might have to stop writing blank checks to the Defense Department, and we'll need those ALL IMPORTANT 4 percentage points back from the super-rich, but hey, then we won't have to worry about it.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Taxes are redistribution (of wealth)?? Shocking!

By the way, as I recall, CBO determined that it would reduce the deficit, not that there would be a decrease in costs. Reducing the deficit by a few billion is not so hard when you're raising so much in revenue (taxes); a little gets sprinkled to the deficit and everything is good. Still, hundreds of billions of dollars leave the private sector for redistribution by the public sector.

Interesting game that Republicans play..

They scream....You can't pass healthcare.....You can't pass healthcare.....we can't afford it

So Obama comes up with a self supporting healthcare plan which takes money from one sector and uses it in another. It pays for itself

Now Republicans whimper......But....but....you are taxing some people

Face it Republicans...You do not want Americans to have affordable healthcare no matter what the solution

Please tell us you aren't that stupid!? The law has 21 taxes that will be collected to "support" it. Where do you think the tax money will come from?

Tooooooooooooooooooooo easy!!!!

That account that......​

.....Lil' Dumbya was GIVING-AWAY!!!!!!!​

"Not only was the entire national deficit eliminated after raising taxes on the wealthy in 1993, but the economy grew so fast for the remainder of the decade that many conservative economists thought that the Fed should raise the prime interest rate in order to slow it down."

When St. Bill
SAVED OUR ECONOMY!!!​

 

[rightwinger]

Please tell us you aren't that stupid!? The law has 21 taxes that will be collected to "support" it. Where do you think the tax money will come from? From the middle class! Self supporting. Sheesh! Wanna buy a nice bridge?

How else do you think bills should be funded?

Obamacare went through multiple funding iterations to make sure it was a fully funded program with sustainable funding.

More Bullshit from Conservatives who insisted funding had to be in place for a bill they had no intention of voting for

So are you admitting it is a tax? Surely you aren't this dense--the president is.

Stephanopoulos couldn't get an honest answer out of the president, and I am not expecting to get one out of you.

You are delusional, though, if you don't believe that people, not Republicans, but everyone is going to view this as anything but a tax. It is going to be taken out of their TAX return by the IRS. This already is not popular, just wait till millions of tax payers get to keep less of their money.

When a revised healthcare program was proposed, the first question was "how you going to pay for this?". As a responsible program the answer was to tax those within the healthcare sector who profit from the bill as well as defer some aspects to 2014.

 

[Pho_King]

How else do you think bills should be funded?

Obamacare went through multiple funding iterations to make sure it was a fully funded program with sustainable funding.

More Bullshit from Conservatives who insisted funding had to be in place for a bill they had no intention of voting for

So are you admitting it is a tax? Surely you aren't this dense--the president is.

Stephanopoulos couldn't get an honest answer out of the president, and I am not expecting to get one out of you.

You are delusional, though, if you don't believe that people, not Republicans, but everyone is going to view this as anything but a tax. It is going to be taken out of their TAX return by the IRS. This already is not popular, just wait till millions of tax payers get to keep less of their money.

When a revised healthcare program was proposed, the first question was "how you going to pay for this?". As a responsible program the answer was to tax those within the healthcare sector who profit from the bill as well as defer some aspects to 2014.

Not sure why they left it at 2014. They should have just deferred any payment indefinitely. It's not like hospitals can turn people away. Obama rules!

 

[Mr Natural]

Republican hyperbole is already in overdrive. "Largest tax increase in history" "$500 billion tax increase"

Here is what Justice Roberts said..

[IThe Federal Government does not have the power to order people to buy health insurance. Section 5000A would therefore be unconstitutional if read as a command. The Federal Government does have the power to impose a tax on those without health insurance. Section 5000A is therefore constitutional, because it can reasonably be read as a tax.] [/I]

What is considered a tax is the penalty for those who do not have health insurance..........How do Republicans spin that into the largest tax increase in history?

Because now, if you're too ******* stupid and irresponsible to make sure that something as basic as making sure that your health care needs are covered, the big bad government is going to step in and make sure you do the adult thing for yourself or face a fine.

And somehow, that's been spun into the largest tax increase in history.

 

[kwc57]

Because only an idiot thinks you can add millions into a system and it won't cost anything.

Please, rightwinger, describe what happens in this situation:

1) Unemployed person on food stamps...doesn't have insurance...you think they are going to pay a tax?
2) Above person goes to doctor for general care where they never use to cause they couldn't pay for it...who pays for it? Is it free?

Above person now goes to a doctor, instead of the ER where it can cost triple the amount of a doctors visit or urgent care. Above person then can't pay ER bill, so above person's doctor has to charge others more due to above person not paying their bill. Who pays for it? ER visits aren't free.

And WHY do they go to the ER instead of a doctor?

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Ravi]

More like the smallest tax increase in history.

 

[kwc57]

Oh, and the reports of the cost of it doubling are also totally bullshit, even according The Conservative Nationalist Review:

No, Obamacare

(Sure, they still hate on the bill, but at least the author is practicing intellectual honesty)

None of this, of course, indicates that Obamacare is anything less than the Brobdingnagian bureaucracy we’ve always known it to be. And there was indeed plenty of fishy accounting in the bill (the late CLASS Act being a perfect example). But the CBO’s new projections don’t substantially alter the picture we got in 2010, and it’s utterly dishonest to claim otherwise.

Do you currently have health insurance?

No, he's on his mom's insurance. He wants to be able to stay on it until he's 26 because he enjoys sitting in her basement on the interwebs and eating cheetos. If Obamatax were not upheld, he might have to get a job and his own insurance.

 

[kwc57]

More like the smallest tax increase in history.

Yessssss, because every estimate the gubmint has ever produced for a program comes in under that estimate.

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Oh, and the reports of the cost of it doubling are also totally bullshit, even according The Conservative Nationalist Review:

No, Obamacare

(Sure, they still hate on the bill, but at least the author is practicing intellectual honesty)

Do you currently have health insurance?

No, he's on his mom's insurance. He wants to be able to stay on it until he's 26 because he enjoys sitting in her basement on the interwebs and eating cheetos. If Obamatax were not upheld, he might have to get a job and his own insurance.

Ha ha ha. Do you want me to "get off your lawn" too? You're a ******* dummy. I'm on my own, employer health insurance policy and have been for the entire five years I've been with the firm. But thanks for trying, Dummy McOldenDays.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It's a legal penalty authorized within the Congress' ability to tax. McConnell, Boehner and the
Weasel along with the callous conservative parrot corp will engage in their usual hysteria and post the word tax in huge letters screaming this Big Lie. It's not a tax, it's a penalty paid by those too cheap or too stupid to buy health insurance.

Buying health insurance is a smart expenditure, for even though one will receive emergency care if uninsured they will surely get a bill much greater than any fee they will pay for insurance in a year or a decade, depending on the service.

Remember, friends don't let friends vote Republican.

 

[kwc57]

It's a legal penalty authorized within the Congress' ability to tax. McConnell, Boehner and the
Weasel along with the callous conservative parrot corp will engage in their usual hysteria and post the word tax in huge letters screaming this Big Lie. It's not a tax, it's a penalty paid by those too cheap or too stupid to buy health insurance.

Buying health insurance is a smart expenditure, for even though one will receive emergency care if uninsured they will surely get a bill much greater than any fee they will pay for insurance in a year or a decade, depending on the service.

Remember, friends don't let friends vote Republican.

Funny, the SCOTUS disagrees with you.

 

[ConservaDerrps]

It's a legal penalty authorized within the Congress' ability to tax. McConnell, Boehner and the
Weasel along with the callous conservative parrot corp will engage in their usual hysteria and post the word tax in huge letters screaming this Big Lie. It's not a tax, it's a penalty paid by those too cheap or too stupid to buy health insurance.

Buying health insurance is a smart expenditure, for even though one will receive emergency care if uninsured they will surely get a bill much greater than any fee they will pay for insurance in a year or a decade, depending on the service.

Remember, friends don't let friends vote Republican.

Funny, the SCOTUS disagrees with you.

No it doesn't, you ignorant ******* fool. All Roberts said was that the AUTHORITY to impose the mandate came from the tax code. It's still a penalty, which is COMPLETELY ******* AVOIDABLE if you buy health insurance.

Jesus ******* Christ...no wonder you guys don't get it. You're actively trying NOT to understand these very simple concepts.

 

[kwc57]

It's a legal penalty authorized within the Congress' ability to tax. McConnell, Boehner and the
Weasel along with the callous conservative parrot corp will engage in their usual hysteria and post the word tax in huge letters screaming this Big Lie. It's not a tax, it's a penalty paid by those too cheap or too stupid to buy health insurance.

Buying health insurance is a smart expenditure, for even though one will receive emergency care if uninsured they will surely get a bill much greater than any fee they will pay for insurance in a year or a decade, depending on the service.

Remember, friends don't let friends vote Republican.

Funny, the SCOTUS disagrees with you.

No it doesn't, you ignorant ******* fool. All Roberts said was that the AUTHORITY to impose the mandate came from the tax code. It's still a penalty, which is COMPLETELY ******* AVOIDABLE if you buy health insurance.

Jesus ******* Christ...no wonder you guys don't get it. You're actively trying NOT to understand these very simple concepts.

I'll agree with you that it is a penalty. A penalty in the form of a TAX. You can put a pig in lipstick..........

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's a legal penalty authorized within the Congress' ability to tax. McConnell, Boehner and the
Weasel along with the callous conservative parrot corp will engage in their usual hysteria and post the word tax in huge letters screaming this Big Lie. It's not a tax, it's a penalty paid by those too cheap or too stupid to buy health insurance.

Buying health insurance is a smart expenditure, for even though one will receive emergency care if uninsured they will surely get a bill much greater than any fee they will pay for insurance in a year or a decade, depending on the service.

Remember, friends don't let friends vote Republican.

So, it's a tax

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Who collects this tax, the Internal Penalty Service?

 

[ConservaDerrps]

I hope you guys weren't taking your talking points cues from Limbaugh on this one...

(of course you were)

PolitiFact | Limbaugh, GOP have it wrong: Health care law is not the largest tax increase ever

 

[Liability]

For SOME purposes, when the libs and CJ roberts say so, it's a tax.

For OTHER purposes, when the libs and maybe even CJ Roberts say so, it's not a tax tax. It's a tax that is really a penalty or a penalty that is really a tax, but not that kind of tax.

Clear?

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Who collects this tax, the Internal Penalty Service?

No. The IRS does. If you can afford insurance and don't buy it. So are we back to square one again?

PolitiFact | Limbaugh, GOP have it wrong: Health care law is not the largest tax increase ever