Lack Of Government Oversight The Problem

Orange_Juice

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Before the idiotic dittoheads start screaming a Big Lie about how the government created the financial crisis let's get the facts staright:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/27/business/27sec.html?em





WASHINGTON — The chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, a longtime proponent of deregulation, acknowledged on Friday that failures in a voluntary supervision program for Wall Street’s largest investment banks had contributed to the global financial crisis, and he abruptly shut the program down.

The S.E.C.’s oversight responsibilities will largely shift to the Federal Reserve, though the commission will continue to oversee the brokerage units of investment banks.

Also Friday, the S.E.C.’s inspector general released a report strongly criticizing the agency’s performance in monitoring Bear Stearns before it collapsed in March. Christopher Cox, the commission chairman, said he agreed that the oversight program was “fundamentally flawed from the beginning.”

“The last six months have made it abundantly clear that voluntary regulation does not work,” he said in a statement. The program “was fundamentally flawed from the beginning, because investment banks could opt in or out of supervision voluntarily. The fact that investment bank holding companies could withdraw from this voluntary supervision at their discretion diminished the perceived mandate” of the program, and “weakened its effectiveness,” he added.

Mr. Cox and other regulators, including Ben S. Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chairman, and Henry M. Paulson Jr., the Treasury secretary, have acknowledged general regulatory failures over the last year. Mr. Cox’s statement on Friday, however, went beyond that by blaming a specific program for the financial crisis — and then ending it.
 
I say again, the Soviet Union thought socialism and central planning were great ideas! Just a shame that their economy collapsed as a result.
 
I say again, the Soviet Union thought socialism and central planning were great ideas! Just a shame that their economy collapsed as a result.

i think secretary paulson is a socialist or communist too!!!! should he be burned at the stake for his ''socialism for the wealthiest'' $700 billion dollar bailout plan for the wall street crooks? ;)
 
i think secretary paulson is a socialist or communist too!!!! should he be burned at the stake for his ''socialism for the wealthiest'' $700 billion dollar bailout plan for the wall street crooks? ;)

No, but he should resign in disgrace.
 
No, but he should resign in disgrace.

Why? For saving the Free Market system with government intervention? :cuckoo:

Let's face it, you right wing wackos need to go play with your Tonka trucks and let the grown ups fix this mess. It's the right thing to do for America. The fact that we get to shit all over the right's anti-government ideology is just an added benefit :razz:
 
Before the idiotic dittoheads start screaming a Big Lie about how the government created the financial crisis let's get the facts staright:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/27/business/27sec.html?em

WASHINGTON — The chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, a longtime proponent of deregulation, acknowledged on Friday that failures in a voluntary supervision program for Wall Street’s largest investment banks had contributed to the global financial crisis, and he abruptly shut the program down


Shut what program down ?
 
i think secretary paulson is a socialist or communist too!!!! should he be burned at the stake for his ''socialism for the wealthiest'' $700 billion dollar bailout plan for the wall street crooks? ;)

Nope. He should be accountable for any failures in his specific area of control. Regulation is like a laxative, good in small, controlled, monitored doses. Just the right amount and things flow smoothly, too much and you just shit yourself.

Additionally, in a bureaucracy things work upwards. In a bureaucracy the mushroom effect (kept in dark, being fed bullshit) is the natural way. Real accountability means the section heads and their immediate supervisory personnel need to be axed.

No, but he should resign in disgrace.

'Twere me, I would not allow him the luxury of quitting. He needs to get out of the office and demonstrate leadership by touring the area and personally supervising the cleanup.

They are an object lesson indeed. It's why socialism has flourished in other countries, because the failures of the Soviet Union are that object lesson.

That is an excellent point. I don't agree with the socialist or communist model myself, but Darwin will out. Cool points for you.
 
is this it?

Chairman Cox Announces End of Consolidated Supervised Entities Program
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
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Washington, D.C., Sept. 26, 2008 — Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Christopher Cox today announced a decision by the Division of Trading and Markets to end the Consolidated Supervised Entities (CSE) program, created in 2004 as a way for global investment bank conglomerates that lack a supervisor under law to voluntarily submit to regulation.
clicking on a link in original link...
 
is this it?

Chairman Cox Announces End of Consolidated Supervised Entities Program
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
2008-230
Washington, D.C., Sept. 26, 2008 — Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Christopher Cox today announced a decision by the Division of Trading and Markets to end the Consolidated Supervised Entities (CSE) program, created in 2004 as a way for global investment bank conglomerates that lack a supervisor under law to voluntarily submit to regulation.
clicking on a link in original link...

yes--this is the kind of specifics we need. But again i ask-----what is occuring that needs so much oversight and regulation ?
 
Oversight and regulation are two different animals.

There were plans offered in 2003 and 2006 to increase oversight and force the lenders to keep enough money on hand to cover their loans.

Wanna take any bets on who proposed the expanded oversight and who stopped them?
 
Oversight and regulation are two different animals.

There were plans offered in 2003 and 2006 to increase oversight and force the lenders to keep enough money on hand to cover their loans.

Wanna take any bets on who proposed the expanded oversight and who stopped them?

Nope---for now I just wanna know why this bank that America hired made money so easy and plentiful.
 
Oversight and regulation are two different animals.

There were plans offered in 2003 and 2006 to increase oversight and force the lenders to keep enough money on hand to cover their loans.

Wanna take any bets on who proposed the expanded oversight and who stopped them?
I have asked every poster that has stated this to PLEASE supply support or a link that shows HOW the democrats stopped this legislation from going forward, when it was the republicans than never even brought it up for a vote on the floor of the senate.....Hagel introduced it on to the floor and it was never brought up by the republican leadership for a vote...

there was no democratic filibuster that stopped it so what exactly did the Democrats do that stopped this legislation from moving forward?

Can you answer that?

No one else that printed that statement can answer this so far and i was wondering if you had any info that could support it.... i googled it to heck and high water and could find NOTHING?

Care
 
I have asked every poster that has stated this to PLEASE supply support or a link that shows HOW the democrats stopped this legislation from going forward, when it was the republicans than never even brought it up for a vote on the floor of the senate.....Hagel introduced it on to the floor and it was never brought up by the republican leadership for a vote...

there was no democratic filibuster that stopped it so what exactly did the Democrats do that stopped this legislation from moving forward?

Can you answer that?

No one else that printed that statement can answer this so far and i was wondering if you had any info that could support it.... i googled it to heck and high water and could find NOTHING?

Care


And just what will that solve for ya ?
 
Nope---for now I just wanna know why this bank that America hired made money so easy and plentiful.
it got it's money at a cheaper rate, about 1% less, than other conventional banks....

but if fannie/freddie are the sole problem, then why are all these other banks and institutions ...dropping like flies or begging for us to bail them out?
 

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