Kurt Russell nails it

[2aguy]

Can you answer one question, would a teacher with 24 hours of gun training do better or worse than a veteran police officer against a mass shooter? Go.

The armed teacher is on the scene.....the cop is at a minimum, 5 minutes away.....

The shooter at Newton murdered 26 children in 5 minutes, and stopped shooting them and committed suicide when he heard the police sirens approaching....had a staff member had a gun, on scene, it wouldn't be 5 minutes until someone was shooting at the killer and preventing him from murdering children.

 

[2aguy]

Answer me, why do you want less guns and not more?

Why is gun murder going up in Texas...

1) 10 million illegal aliens crossing the border......

2) democrats in Texas releasing violent felons, over and over again...

A look into increasing gun violence in Texas

One expert says guns are too easy to access.

spectrumlocalnews.com

 

[krichton]

The armed teacher is on the scene.....the cop is at a minimum, 5 minutes away.....

The shooter at Newton murdered 26 children in 5 minutes, and stopped shooting them and committed suicide when he heard the police sirens approaching....had a staff member had a gun, on scene, it wouldn't be 5 minutes until someone was shooting at the killer and preventing him from murdering children.

Were the cops 5 minutes away during the Uvalde texas mass shooting? Virtually the entire Uvalde police force was in the school that day. Why didn't they just John Wayne it and take down the shooter, like you're imagining it in your own mind right now? I mean these guys are basically you but in a uniform. It's one thing to imagine you're dirty harry in your own mind, it's another to actually play him in real life with 24 hours of "training"

 

[2aguy]

Why is gun murder going up in Texas...

1) 10 million illegal aliens crossing the border......

2) democrats in Texas releasing violent felons, over and over again...

A look into increasing gun violence in Texas

One expert says guns are too easy to access.

spectrumlocalnews.com

Were the cops 5 minutes away during the Uvalde texas mass shooting? Virtually the entire Uvalde police force was in the school that day. Why didn't they just John Wayne it and take down the shooter, like you're imagining it in your own mind right now? I mean these guys are basically you but in a uniform. It's one thing to imagine you're dirty harry in your own mind, it's another to actually play him in real life with 24 hours of "training"

The Harris County............Houston is in Harris county...

In 2018, Harris County began releasing inmates who were charged with misdemeanors with no bond, a low bond, or a personal recognizance bond. Griffith said that slowly started to include defendants charged with felonies.

According to Harris County Crime Stoppers, since 2018, felony defendants who were released on bond have murdered 177 people in the Houston-area.

“When you have a violent offender that uses a weapon and is given a low bond, and then goes out and commits another felony with a weapon, that shows right there that’s where the gun violence is coming,” Griffith said. “And if we don’t lock them up and put them in prison where they belong, we are going to see this gun violence.”

He says the courts need to revoke bonds for felony defendants, issue arrest warrants, and bring them to court. He thinks that’ll take dangerous people off the streets of Texas and lower gun violence numbers.

“Our court’s not doing their job. Our judge is not doing their job. We’ve got to hold people accountable,” Griffith said. “It used to be, if you were convicted of a violent crime with a gun, you had to do at least half your sentence before you’re ever eligible for parole. We have to go back to that. We have to have some teeth. Everybody talks about how we need more gun laws. We just have to enforce the ones we have, and we have to stick to them.”

A look into increasing gun violence in Texas

One expert says guns are too easy to access.

spectrumlocalnews.com

two Republican mayors,

1978-82
1964-74

The rest, going back to 1939 have been democrats...you ignorant clod.

List of mayors of Houston - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[2aguy]

Were the cops 5 minutes away during the Uvalde texas mass shooting? Virtually the entire Uvalde police force was in the school that day. Why didn't they just John Wayne it and take down the shooter, like you're imagining it in your own mind right now? I mean these guys are basically you but in a uniform. It's one thing to imagine you're dirty harry in your own mind, it's another to actually play him in real life with 24 hours of "training"

The commander on the scene was a member of the democrat party..............he ordered the police on scene to stand down and do nothing and ordered officers who wanted to enter the room restrained......

Now tell us how the teacher in the room was better off without a gun....tell us that, you dumb fuck......

 

[2aguy]

Were the cops 5 minutes away during the Uvalde texas mass shooting? Virtually the entire Uvalde police force was in the school that day. Why didn't they just John Wayne it and take down the shooter, like you're imagining it in your own mind right now? I mean these guys are basically you but in a uniform. It's one thing to imagine you're dirty harry in your own mind, it's another to actually play him in real life with 24 hours of "training"

And you ignore the 2 police officers who immediately entered the school and killed the left wing, democrat party transgender child killer at the Covenant school shooting, and the 2 police officers at the Nasheville bank shooting who immediately entered the building and killed the left wing, democrat party, anti-gun shooter ........

Funny how you ignore them....

And these people....

Indiana mall shooting...



Fifteen seconds after the shooting began, Elisjsha Dicken, a legally-armed 22-year-old man from Seymour, engaged the shooter in a gunfight. Dicken, a civilian bystander, was shopping with his girlfriend when the perpetrator opened fire.[7] From a distance of forty yards, Dicken fired ten rounds from a Glock handgun, hitting the shooter eight times. The shooter fired once, and attempted to retreat into the restroom, but instead fell to the ground and died soon afterwards.[8][9][10]



Afterward, Dicken approached security guards at the mall, informed them that he had neutralized the shooter, and waited for police to arrive.[7]



Greenwood Park Mall shooting - Wikipedia







West Virginia woman....



Witnesses said Butler seemed agitated and left but returned to the complex shortly after, armed with an AR-15 style rifle, and started shooting at the crowd.

Police said a woman pulled out her pistol, shooting and killing him.

"This lady was carrying a lawful firearm," Hazelett said. "A law abiding citizen who stopped the threat of probably 20 or 30 people getting killed. She engaged the threat and stopped it. She didn't run from the threat, she engaged it. Preventing a mass casualty event here in Charleston."






Woman credited with stopping mass shooting at apartment complex in West Virginia

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How much training do you think they had....?


Deputies: Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense

According to deputies, Parangan pulled out a handgun and fired multiple shots at Pastor Terry Howell, who took out his own weapon and fired back, striking Parangan.

Howell was not injured, but Parangan was taken to Osceola Regional Medical Center in critical condition.

Deputies said several church employees witnessed the incident and gave similar statements.

this Psychiatrist was not an off duty cop.....

Penn. psychiatric center shooting intended mass killing: DA

The Pennsylvania patient accused of killing his caseworker in a psychiatric center shooting carried dozens of bullets — and he would have likely continued shooting if a doctor didn’t fire back, officials said.

Richard Plotts, 49, is expected to be charged with murder for allegedly opening fire at Sister Marie Lenahan Wellness Center in Darby Thursday.

After he killed his caseworker, 53-year-old Theresa Hunt, and shot his psychiatrist, Lee Silverman, the wounded doctor fired back, stopping the attack, District Attorney Jack Whelan said in a Friday press conference.

Plotts had 39 more bullets on him. He intended a mass shooting, Whelan said.

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This past Sunday, exactly two weeks to the day after the Pulse attack, there was a mass shooting outside a night club in South Carolina. I’m sure you haven’t heard about it, and for two good reasons. The first reason is that the attempted murderer was unsuccessful in killing any of his victims. The second reason is because the attempted murderer was stopped by a concealed carrier at the club drawing his weapon and putting a bullet into the bad guy.


Lyman man charged following shooting at nightclub

 

[krichton]

Why is gun murder going up in Texas...

1) 10 million illegal aliens crossing the border......

2) democrats in Texas releasing violent felons, over and over again...

A look into increasing gun violence in Texas

One expert says guns are too easy to access.

spectrumlocalnews.com

Show me the stats and evidence linking Texas's gun violence problem to immigration coming into Texas. I'll wait.

Quotes from your own link

In a Giffords Law Center article, the author wrote, “Gun homicides overall have increased steadily in Texas over the last decade, rising over 90% from 2011 to 2020.”

“Part of the gun violence problem in our country is simply that it is too easy for people who want to cause harm to access incredibly lethal weapons,” Drane said.

Nothing about immigration being the cause lol. Lot of states are allowing violent criminals back out once they catch them. New York is one, but you don't see the same rate of gun homicides there that you see in texas from 2011 to 2020. You don't see mass shootings in nyc, whereas Texas seems to be home to our most recent and deadliest ones. Not everyone released is looking to commit murder with a gun, but if they do, they certainly don't have any problem getting one from a private sale because states are making it so easy now to get one.

 

[krichton]

The commander on the scene was a member of the democrat party..............he ordered the police on scene to stand down and do nothing and ordered officers who wanted to enter the room restrained......

Now tell us how the teacher in the room was better off without a gun....tell us that, you dumb fuck......

Was every cop there that day a democrat as well? Does being a democrat cop mean you can't do your job as a police officer? You're so comically partisan you don't even realize your judgement and mental capacity has been negatively affected by it. Cops didn't enter that classroom because they were rightfully scared, nothing more. They all should be fired however.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

This is a great example when two people are arguing a point...
One is sane, and frames his point on reality and fact.
The other is insane, and always-always-always frames his point around emotional driven fantasy and pseudo moralism.

Which of course means, one is a conservative and one is a liberal.

 

[2aguy]

Show me the stats and evidence linking Texas's gun violence problem to immigration coming into Texas. I'll wait.

Quotes from your own link

In a Giffords Law Center article, the author wrote, “Gun homicides overall have increased steadily in Texas over the last decade, rising over 90% from 2011 to 2020.”

“Part of the gun violence problem in our country is simply that it is too easy for people who want to cause harm to access incredibly lethal weapons,” Drane said.

Nothing about immigration being the cause lol. Lot of states are allowing violent criminals back out once they catch them. New York is one, but you don't see the same rate of gun homicides there that you see in texas from 2011 to 2020. You don't see mass shootings in nyc, whereas Texas seems to be home to our most recent and deadliest ones. Not everyone released is looking to commit murder with a gun, but if they do, they certainly don't have any problem getting one from a private sale because states are making it so easy now to get one.

And you lose the credibility you didn't have to start with by citing the rabid, anti-gun extremists at Gifford's......

Yes....deny that having 10 million illegal aliens crossing the border has no effect on crime....

then deny that releasing violent felons over and over again has no effect on gun murder......

You really are a stupid human being.

 

[2aguy]

Was every cop there that day a democrat as well? Does being a democrat cop mean you can't do your job as a police officer? You're so comically partisan you don't even realize your judgement and mental capacity has been negatively affected by it. Cops didn't enter that classroom because they were rightfully scared, nothing more. They all should be fired however.

Nope......they were ordered to stand down by their commanding officer.......a democrat party political officer who was more afraid of getting it wrong than saving lives.......

 

[krichton]

And you ignore the 2 police officers who immediately entered the school and killed the left wing, democrat party transgender child killer at the Covenant school shooting, and the 2 police officers at the Nasheville bank shooting who immediately entered the building and killed the left wing, democrat party, anti-gun shooter ........

Funny how you ignore them....

And these people....

Indiana mall shooting...



Fifteen seconds after the shooting began, Elisjsha Dicken, a legally-armed 22-year-old man from Seymour, engaged the shooter in a gunfight. Dicken, a civilian bystander, was shopping with his girlfriend when the perpetrator opened fire.[7] From a distance of forty yards, Dicken fired ten rounds from a Glock handgun, hitting the shooter eight times. The shooter fired once, and attempted to retreat into the restroom, but instead fell to the ground and died soon afterwards.[8][9][10]



Afterward, Dicken approached security guards at the mall, informed them that he had neutralized the shooter, and waited for police to arrive.[7]



Greenwood Park Mall shooting - Wikipedia







West Virginia woman....



Witnesses said Butler seemed agitated and left but returned to the complex shortly after, armed with an AR-15 style rifle, and started shooting at the crowd.

Police said a woman pulled out her pistol, shooting and killing him.

"This lady was carrying a lawful firearm," Hazelett said. "A law abiding citizen who stopped the threat of probably 20 or 30 people getting killed. She engaged the threat and stopped it. She didn't run from the threat, she engaged it. Preventing a mass casualty event here in Charleston."






Woman credited with stopping mass shooting at apartment complex in West Virginia

======


How much training do you think they had....?


Deputies: Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense

According to deputies, Parangan pulled out a handgun and fired multiple shots at Pastor Terry Howell, who took out his own weapon and fired back, striking Parangan.

Howell was not injured, but Parangan was taken to Osceola Regional Medical Center in critical condition.

Deputies said several church employees witnessed the incident and gave similar statements.

this Psychiatrist was not an off duty cop.....

Penn. psychiatric center shooting intended mass killing: DA

The Pennsylvania patient accused of killing his caseworker in a psychiatric center shooting carried dozens of bullets — and he would have likely continued shooting if a doctor didn’t fire back, officials said.

Richard Plotts, 49, is expected to be charged with murder for allegedly opening fire at Sister Marie Lenahan Wellness Center in Darby Thursday.

After he killed his caseworker, 53-year-old Theresa Hunt, and shot his psychiatrist, Lee Silverman, the wounded doctor fired back, stopping the attack, District Attorney Jack Whelan said in a Friday press conference.

Plotts had 39 more bullets on him. He intended a mass shooting, Whelan said.

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This past Sunday, exactly two weeks to the day after the Pulse attack, there was a mass shooting outside a night club in South Carolina. I’m sure you haven’t heard about it, and for two good reasons. The first reason is that the attempted murderer was unsuccessful in killing any of his victims. The second reason is because the attempted murderer was stopped by a concealed carrier at the club drawing his weapon and putting a bullet into the bad guy.


Lyman man charged following shooting at nightclub

I'm still waiting on an answer as to why you wouldn't allow students to carry guns since you're such a big advocate of ppl owning guns for their safety instead of relying on law enforcement. I'll tell you why, because you'd look like the biggest moron here being such an insanely pro "good guy with a gun" advocate, only to limit it to certain ppl, and not those in most danger of dying from a mass shooting.

 

[krichton]

And you lose the credibility you didn't have to start with by citing the rabid, anti-gun extremists at Gifford's......

Yes....deny that having 10 million illegal aliens crossing the border has no effect on crime....

then deny that releasing violent felons over and over again has no effect on gun murder......

You really are a stupid human being.

I'm not even anti gun. The problem is, you're actually the extremist here and anyone who isn't completely on board your crazy gun train, is "extreme" in their views. This is why you're unwell and unbalanced and actually a great example of why not everyone should be allowed to own a gun.

I'm not denying anything, all i want is evidence of what you're saying about immigration and gun violence. Why don't you have it? Is it because your addled brain is riddled with nothing but non stop partisan politics and right wing extremist propagranda?

 

[2aguy]

I'm not even anti gun. The problem is, you're actually the extremist here and anyone who isn't completely on board your crazy gun train, is "extreme" in their views. This is why you're unwell and unbalanced and actually a great example of why not everyone should be allowed to own a gun.

I'm not denying anything, all i want is evidence of what you're saying about immigration and gun violence. Why don't you have it? Is it because your addled brain is riddled with nothing but non stop partisan politics and right wing extremist propagranda?

Yes....deny that having 10 million illegal aliens, driven by drug cartels and human traffickers while the countries south of the border are emptying their prisons and sending their violent monsters to our country, has nothing to do with increasing crime in Texas and the other border states.....

You are not posting with a biden voter.....so sell your bullshit to biden voters.....

 

[Crepitus]

That was a good projection junior

Wow, you've just conclusively proved you don't know what that word means.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Were the cops 5 minutes away during the Uvalde texas mass shooting? Virtually the entire Uvalde police force was in the school that day. Why didn't they just John Wayne it and take down the shooter, like you're imagining it in your own mind right now? I mean these guys are basically you but in a uniform. It's one thing to imagine you're dirty harry in your own mind, it's another to actually play him in real life with 24 hours of "training"

Unless you are an ignorant moron, you know damned well that the ONLY reason the Uvalde cops didn't storm the building was that their democratic police chief ordered them not to. He also had parents who were trained and willing to protect their children physically restrained from doing so. For whatever reason, HE didn't want force used against the shooter.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I'm still waiting on an answer as to why you wouldn't allow students to carry guns since you're such a big advocate of ppl owning guns for their safety instead of relying on law enforcement. I'll tell you why, because you'd look like the biggest moron here being such an insanely pro "good guy with a gun" advocate, only to limit it to certain ppl, and not those in most danger of dying from a mass shooting.

School students are almost always minors and are precluded from possessing firearms in almost all states.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The irony of the Twitter user using Tombstone as a reference for how cool Kurt Russell is for being pro gun is, Wyatt Earp was actually helping his brother enforce a local ordinance against having guns in town, in other words, dum, dum, dummm..... "gun control."

As for what Russell had to say, he's wrong, dead wrong. There will always always be people who think they can get the drop on you whether they know you have guns yourself or not. Just two weeks ago, I literally saw on the news, two black guys randomly try to take a uniformed cop's gun away from him, while he was buying something in a convenience store. They themselves had no weapons at all. It didn't matter that they could just visit the next state over where you could purchase a gun legally without background checks, permits, licenses or waiting periods. A criminal isn't going to be deterred by the fact that you may have a gun if he can get one just as easily. In the example I just gave, they're not even deterred when they don't even have a gun and you do! In the film, Tombstone, all the gang had to do was surrender their guns till they left town and that would have been the end. Instead they chose to have a gun fight and risk death, or at the very least risk killing a town marshal and his deputies and be on the run for the rest of their lives. Criminals aren't deterred by guns, jail, long sentences, or even the death penalty. In Texas, where guns are revered and gun ownership is skyrocketing, gun violence is going up, not down!

Tyranny Works by Pretending to Give Us Liberty

The gungrabbers don't need gun control as long as it's easy for them to prosecute anyone who uses a gun to defend himself. The fact that Zimmerman was acquitted doesn't count; he never should have been prosecuted in the first place, which is why the police initially let him go. The fact that he went to trial at all inhibited millions of people from fighting the War on Crime.

It is also our civic duty to kill thugs in cold blood. Scaring them away will only make them search for unarmed victims. In a free country, the two who tried to take a cop's gun would have been killed off long before that. We should imitate the St. Valentine's Day Massacre: dress up like cops, round up obvious gangstas and dispose of them in a fake police station.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Most criminals run away when confronted by a gun......there are really stupid criminals who will keep attacking...which just shows that without the gun, you are at their mercy........you twit........

What Part of "Being Necessary to the Security of a Free State" Don't You Understand?

Again, letting them run away, instead of finishing them off in cold blood, releases a proven threat to society, so selfishness by gunowners is a source of continuous crime. "I'm safe now, so the hell with everybody else"

Of course, you won't see that pointed out by the gun advocates. Their lack of sincerity was also evidenced recently in the fact that none of them criticized the Israeli victims for being unarmed, or even pointed it out.

And the government has committed one act of treason after another and these huffy-puffy blowhards never follow through on their claim that "gun ownership protects us from a tyrannical government." The Statists laugh at us every time they hear that idle threat, so I doubt if confiscation of our weapons will actually be resisted.

 

[krichton]

Tyranny Works by Pretending to Give Us Liberty

The gungrabbers don't need gun control as long as it's easy for them to prosecute anyone who uses a gun to defend himself. The fact that Zimmerman was acquitted doesn't count; he never should have been prosecuted in the first place, which is why the police initially let him go. The fact that he went to trial at all inhibited millions of people from fighting the War on Crime.

It is also our civic duty to kill thugs in cold blood. Scaring them away will only make them search for unarmed victims. In a free country, the two who tried to take a cop's gun would have been killed off long before that. We should imitate the St. Valentine's Day Massacre: dress up like cops, round up obvious gangstas and dispose of them in a fake police station.

There are no gun grabbers. There is no tyranny. No one has taken away anyone's guns. In fact, it has become increasingly easier to get a gun these days then it was 10 years ago. You can even buy an untraceable ghost gun kit these days and make your own. This is the recycled rhetoric gun nuts feed themselves in order to satiate their extremist right wing appetites for fear mongering, partisan politics and conspiracy theory nonsense, etc.