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If teachers shoot back, schools would never be sitting ducks.It's the same dishonest crap you children spew all the time.
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If teachers shoot back, schools would never be sitting ducks.It's the same dishonest crap you children spew all the time.
Shrug.
'Till the teacher is the shooter.If teachers shoot back, schools would never be sitting ducks.
Let us know when that happens.'Till the teacher is the shooter.
It already hasLet us know when that happens.
That's too bad.It already has
Yeah...bullshit......
There is no downside to allowing normal, law abiding people to carry guns without putting them in Legal Peril through red tape......criminals carry regardless of the law, and normal people shouldn't have to jump through hoops to exercise a Right....
Criminals don't use any background checks, ever, since they can't legally buy, own or carry guns....they use straw buyers.....usually family members. The number of crime guns bought at gun shows are tiny, since the areas are crawling with Feds......
And, twit........if a criminal is caught with any gun, they can already be arrested, making your point just dumb.
Can you explain to us then with Illinois why Illinois has more gun crime than Indiana? considering their criminals don't have to cross state lines? Dittos Texas, and other states bordering insane gun control states?
We are amazingly safe as a country.....
Keep in mind, Europe, registered guns in the 1920s, and by 1939 the German socialists began the process of murdering 20 million people....not war dead, not collateral from combat actions.....innocent civilians rounded up, taken to forests and death camps and murdered....
All in the span of 6 years.
Gun murder in the U.S. over our entire 247 year history averages about 2,470,000....
So you have nothing to compare us to when it comes to murder.....
Murder has gone up in Texas because the democrats have flooded the state with drug cartels, illegal aliens and human traffickers.....and they sitll have a lower gun murder rate than Illinois......
Lives saved....based on research? By law abiding gun owners using guns to stop criminals?
Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct
There are roughly 100,000 people shot in the United States yearly, and something over 30,000 die. If this 1/3 vs. 2/3 ratio of deaths to injuries in actual shootings pertains in these DGUs, that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—less some attackers who lost their lives to defenders. This enormous benefit dwarfs, both in human and economic terms, the losses trumpeted by hoplophobes who only choose to see the risk side of the equation.
that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—
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Gun self defense research.........
A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense
GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys
Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)
DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)
Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)
2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.
CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)
Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million
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Bordua...1977...1,414,544
DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)
Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)
Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)
Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)
DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)
Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])
Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer
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Ohio...1982...771,043
Gallup...1991...777,152
Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)
Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..
2021 national firearms survey..
The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey
Clinton's study by the DOJ....
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf
Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.
n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last
While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli
While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.
Obama's study...
Defensive Use of Guns
Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press.
Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press
If teachers shoot back, schools would never be sitting ducks.
Some teachers will volunteer and be trained if they need it. Problem solved.Wait, didn't we have armed and trained police officers too scared to confront a school shooter in Uvalde texas? How would a random teacher with a gun fare? Forget the teachers, we need to arm all the students.
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“It’s hell”: Surge of Texas kids dying from gun violence carves canyons of grief through families
In 2012, around 100 Texans under 18 died of gunshot wounds. Last year, that number reached nearly 300.www.texastribune.org
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Deaths from firearms keep climbing in Texas, decades after lawmakers began weakening gun regulations
The rate of firearm-related deaths in Texas has reached a level not seen since the 1990s. Texas lawmakers have approved more than 100 bills that loosened gun restrictions since 2000.www.texastribune.org
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Texas is No. 11 most dangerous state in US, new report says
Using FBI data, a new report lists the 15 most dangerous states in the U.S. where the violent crime rate exceeds the national rate.www.beaumontenterprise.com
Why is Texas so unsafe when they have so many guns? Aren't more guns supposed to be the answer to stop crime? Why is crime going up then? Hmmm
'Till the teacher is the shooter.
Wait, didn't we have armed and trained police officers too scared to confront a school shooter in Uvalde texas? How would a random teacher with a gun fare? Forget the teachers, we need to arm all the students.
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“It’s hell”: Surge of Texas kids dying from gun violence carves canyons of grief through families
In 2012, around 100 Texans under 18 died of gunshot wounds. Last year, that number reached nearly 300.www.texastribune.org
![]()
Deaths from firearms keep climbing in Texas, decades after lawmakers began weakening gun regulations
The rate of firearm-related deaths in Texas has reached a level not seen since the 1990s. Texas lawmakers have approved more than 100 bills that loosened gun restrictions since 2000.www.texastribune.org
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Texas is No. 11 most dangerous state in US, new report says
Using FBI data, a new report lists the 15 most dangerous states in the U.S. where the violent crime rate exceeds the national rate.www.beaumontenterprise.com
Why is Texas so unsafe when they have so many guns? Aren't more guns supposed to be the answer to stop crime? Why is crime going up then? Hmmm
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“It’s hell”: Surge of Texas kids dying from gun violence carves canyons of grief through families
In 2012, around 100 Texans under 18 died of gunshot wounds. Last year, that number reached nearly 300.www.texastribune.org
![]()
Deaths from firearms keep climbing in Texas, decades after lawmakers began weakening gun regulations
The rate of firearm-related deaths in Texas has reached a level not seen since the 1990s. Texas lawmakers have approved more than 100 bills that loosened gun restrictions since 2000.www.texastribune.org
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Texas is No. 11 most dangerous state in US, new report says
Using FBI data, a new report lists the 15 most dangerous states in the U.S. where the violent crime rate exceeds the national rate.www.beaumontenterprise.com
Why is Texas so unsafe when they have so many guns? Aren't more guns supposed to be the answer to stop crime? Why is crime going up then? Hmmm
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“It’s hell”: Surge of Texas kids dying from gun violence carves canyons of grief through families
In 2012, around 100 Texans under 18 died of gunshot wounds. Last year, that number reached nearly 300.www.texastribune.org
![]()
Deaths from firearms keep climbing in Texas, decades after lawmakers began weakening gun regulations
The rate of firearm-related deaths in Texas has reached a level not seen since the 1990s. Texas lawmakers have approved more than 100 bills that loosened gun restrictions since 2000.www.texastribune.org
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Texas is No. 11 most dangerous state in US, new report says
Using FBI data, a new report lists the 15 most dangerous states in the U.S. where the violent crime rate exceeds the national rate.www.beaumontenterprise.com
Why is Texas so unsafe when they have so many guns? Aren't more guns supposed to be the answer to stop crime? Why is crime going up then? Hmmm
They're already doing that in some states.Some teachers will volunteer and be trained if they need it. Problem solved.
Wait, didn't we have armed and trained police officers too scared to confront a school shooter in Uvalde texas? How would a random teacher with a gun fare? Forget the teachers, we need to arm all the students.
Wait, didn't we have armed and trained police officers too scared to confront a school shooter in Uvalde texas? How would a random teacher with a gun fare? Forget the teachers, we need to arm all the students.
Wait, didn't we have armed and trained police officers too scared to confront a school shooter in Uvalde texas? How would a random teacher with a gun fare? Forget the teachers, we need to arm all the students.
Wait, didn't we have armed and trained police officers too scared to confront a school shooter in Uvalde texas? How would a random teacher with a gun fare? Forget the teachers, we need to arm all the students.
Yeah....you really are a dumb human being....
Major New Research on School Safety: Schools that Allow Teachers to Carry Guns haven’t seen school shootings during school hours
There are two obvious questions: Does letting teachers carry create dangers? Might they deter attackers?
Twenty states currently allow teachers and staff to carry guns to varying degrees on school property, so we don’t need to guess how the policy would work.
There has yet to be a single case of someone being wounded or killed from a shooting, let alone a mass public shooting, between 6 AM and midnight at a school that lets teachers carry guns. Fears of teachers carrying guns in terms of such problems as students obtaining teachers guns have not occurred at all, and there was only one accidental discharge outside of school hours with no one was really harmed. While there have not been any problems at schools with armed teachers, the number of people killed at other schools has increased significantly – doubling between 2001 and 2008 versus 2009 and 2018.
The paper is available here. A related journal publication is available here.
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Major New Research on School Safety: Schools that Allow Teachers to Carry Guns haven’t seen school shootings during school hours
Schools that Allow Teachers to Carry Guns are Extremely Safe: Data on the Rate of Shootings and Accidents in Schools that allow Teachers to Carry Abstract After the Columbine school shooting 20 yea…crimeresearch.org