Kroger to Strip Benefits of the Unvaccinated

[BWK]

Diversion switch noticed and no response warranted

There is nothing resembling a diversion about it. What gives you the right to expose your nastiness onto medical workers?

 

[debbiedowner]

Due to a vaccine that was researched for 7 years and slowly introduced to public over 5 year span.

Damn another lie by the right. Why don't you narrow that down to under 2 years? Hell, MRNA has been researched at least 20.

Polio vaccine trials begin | April 26, 1954 | HISTORY

The Salk polio vaccine field trials, involving 1.8 million children, begin in McLean, Virginia. A year later, the vac...

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[debbiedowner]

So, in your mind the technology to develop new drugs and vaccines is the same as it was in the 1940's and 50's?

Most of these MFers live in the 50's. This social media just wows them.

 

[BWK]

Most of these MFers live in the 50's. This social media just wows them.

Because that's where they want to go back to.

 

[otto105]

The whole country got assfucked. Only you worthless leftist traitors are smiling at this point.

Why are conservatives so fixated on anal cavities?


They're assholes.

 

[Couchpotato]

My freedom to infect you, threatens your freedom. That has nothing to do with the government.

In other words, the government didn't just up and decide one day what your freedoms were over covid. The virus is deciding that. And it's robbing your freedoms, not the government.

Damn, this shit ain't that hard. Stop scapegoating the government by pulling them into this conversation. This is about common sense.

Actually it's people like you.

 

[BWK]

Actually it's people like you.

Huh? People like me doing what? Make sense man.

 

[WEATHER53]

The miracle illness that makes very very few sick and kills no one. What on earth are we panicking about and hiding from.? Positive means Zero when the effects of it are Zero

 

[j-mac]

Dude, can you at least pretend to manufacture an intelligent argument? LOL! If someone smokes, guess what I do? Exactly! And smoke is not a virus. And people drinking, getting fat, and all your other nonsensical comparisons do not affect my health, and have proven to not clog up hospitals with unvaccinated ass holes. Your argument is laughable.

When unvaccinated ass holes clog up hospitals, there goes my freedom to get medical care. You have a very skewed idea about freedom. Your idea of freedom is to do what you want, and everyone else be damned. That's freedom for you, but not necessarily for everyone else. Your idea of freedom is an idea that benefits you, and that freedom involves imposing your wants and needs against the best interests of everyone else. Hooray for me, and to hell with everyone else. Your selfish needs trump everyone else. That's your idea of freedom.

No, absolutely not...Freedom includes the moral responsibility to consider your actions impact on others...I try to live my life like that. While I believe that every individual has the freedom to make their own choice where these questions are involved, for myself, I am vaxed, and boostered...That was MY choice, not anyone elses, and not yours because you feel the need to bully others.

In an article published in Pshchology now the writer hypothisises;

"A revolution is occurring in the debate on free will that requires the renouncement of instinctively-held ideals and beliefs. The first step is to renounce the idea that the central problem concerns determinism. This will in turn pave the way for the truth about libertarianism to be seen. Giving up libertarianism, however, isn’t a step to be taken lightly, since it encapsulates the kind of freedom we normatively think we have and need. The greatest obstacle therefore, is going to be whether people can live with the truth concerning free will."

The New Argument About Freedom | Issue 112 | Philosophy Now

Natasha Gilbert says out with the old arguments, and in with the new.

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I am not willing to give up my right of self determination because that is a right inherent given by existence...What you are trying to do, clumsly, is take away that self determination. It's wrongheaded, and you really should develop a different approach.

 

[BWK]

No, absolutely not...Freedom includes the moral responsibility to consider your actions impact on others...I try to live my life like that. While I believe that every individual has the freedom to make their own choice where these questions are involved, for myself, I am vaxed, and boostered...That was MY choice, not anyone elses, and not yours because you feel the need to bully others.

In an article published in Pshchology now the writer hypothisises;

"A revolution is occurring in the debate on free will that requires the renouncement of instinctively-held ideals and beliefs. The first step is to renounce the idea that the central problem concerns determinism. This will in turn pave the way for the truth about libertarianism to be seen. Giving up libertarianism, however, isn’t a step to be taken lightly, since it encapsulates the kind of freedom we normatively think we have and need. The greatest obstacle therefore, is going to be whether people can live with the truth concerning free will."

The New Argument About Freedom | Issue 112 | Philosophy Now

Natasha Gilbert says out with the old arguments, and in with the new.

philosophynow.org

I am not willing to give up my right of self determination because that is a right inherent given by existence...What you are trying to do, clumsly, is take away that self determination. It's wrongheaded, and you really should develop a different approach.

Self determination is a right about making "choices" and managing "your" life. But not the lives of others. Once again, you miss the boat. Once you've made the "choices" about how to 'manage" your life, and those choices affect the very freedoms of others, then that determination cancels itself out as right you should have.

There is nothing wrongheaded, and there never will be, a justification for self determination at the fatal expense of others. Remember what Rafael Warnock said the other day.

He was talking about something else, but the message was, if a group decides something collectively, that affects others negatively, then the important question becomes, at who's expense. This argument is one of basic common sense and morality.

You are doing nothing more than trying to justify rights, you shouldn't have, at the negative expense of others. Anyone with a functioning brain and a moral conscience knows this.

 

[ClaireH]

more likely that kroger got paid of by their health insurance provider.
or perhaps more correctly, a discount for having vaccinated employees.
less risk for insurance company, since vaccinated are 16 times less likely to die.

I’m afraid to appear to be correcting you in your assessment, but I feel compelled to do so. “Less is better with covid vaccines” Google that related to Covid trials as these pharmas went in overkill mode conducting rapid testing which resulted to substandard products. Way below par; soon you will even see the difference with standard products being offered without numerous side effects. I’m still not promoting the jabs I’m just well aware that less is better when it comes to vaccines as it’s absolutely equivalent to adverse reactions when concoctions should have been fractionalized in the first place. Thus, increased adverse reaction outcomes are following second jabs compared to first jabs. Now they’re recommending a mix and match of their crappy products. Lol Forget about it.

Science | AAAS

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[j-mac]

Self determination is a right about making "choices" and managing "your" life. But not the lives of others. Once again, you miss the boat. Once you've made the "choices" about how to 'manage" your life, and those choices affect the very freedoms of others, then that determination cancels itself out as right you should have.

There is nothing wrongheaded, and there never will be, a justification for self determination at the fatal expense of others. Remember what Rafael Warnock said the other day.

He was talking about something else, but the message was, if a group decides something collectively, that affects others negatively, then the important question becomes, at who's expense. This argument is one of basic common sense and morality.

You are doing nothing more than trying to justify rights, you shouldn't have, at the negative expense of others. Anyone with a functioning brain and a moral conscience knows this.

So, what you're saying to me is that my decision to recieve not only the vaccine, but the booster as well was at the expense of who exactly? You? Hell man, you don't even know me....

See, this is what I am talking about. Collectivism...We don't live in a communist country, so collectivism is irrelevant...It's up to you if you'd like to see others do something that you believe benefits others is advocate the idea. That doesn't mean bully them, because they will shut down, and NOT do what you would like...Convince them, and realize that you can't force anything.

 

[HenryBHough]

I know some will resent my veering back to the original topic.....

Drove past the local Kroger store two hours ago. The parking lot was near empty. At the Safeway across the street cars were circling looking for empty parking spaces.

Come on you Vaccine Vampires - get out and spend, spend to save Kroger from itself!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Kroger to Strip Benefits of the Unvaccinated

And what is it conservatives always say – if you don’t like the policies of your employer or how your employer treats you, find work elsewhere; don’t expect your employer to accommodate you.

 

[ClaireH]

I know some will resent my veering back to the original topic.....

Drove past the local Kroger store two hours ago. The parking lot was near empty. At the Safeway across the street cars were circling looking for empty parking spaces.

Come on you Vaccine Vampires - get out and spend, spend to save Kroger from itself!

Do you think it’s a boycott because Kroger is forcing the vaccines on their employees or to be specific taking away benefits for not getting the jab? Hurrah for the power of boycotting ….especially when warranted! More should boycott!

 

[BWK]

So, what you're saying to me is that my decision to recieve not only the vaccine, but the booster as well was at the expense of who exactly? You? Hell man, you don't even know me....

See, this is what I am talking about. Collectivism...We don't live in a communist country, so collectivism is irrelevant...It's up to you if you'd like to see others do something that you believe benefits others is advocate the idea. That doesn't mean bully them, because they will shut down, and NOT do what you would like...Convince them, and realize that you can't force anything.

That's not what I am addressing and you know it. One thing we have established with you is this; you definitely are not honest. I never addressed your vaccination choices and you know it. So save your smokescreen argument for somebody else. I'm too old to buy into that stupid shit.

You presented an argument about self determination, and I schooled you and corrected you on the proper and moral way to proceed with that determination.

Try not to make an uncomplicated reality into something difficult. You attempted to make excuses, and I told you why you shouldn't, and in what circumstance.

 

[j-mac]

That's not what I am addressing and you know it. One thing we have established with you is this; you definitely are not honest. I never addressed your vaccination choices and you know it. So save your smokescreen argument for somebody else. I'm too old to buy into that stupid shit.

You presented an argument about self determination, and I schooled you and corrected you on the proper and moral way to proceed with that determination.

Try not to make an uncomplicated reality into something difficult. You attempted to make excuses, and I told you why you shouldn't, and in what circumstance.

Nah, you didn't "school" me on anything....This is a narcissist view point that liberals seem to cherish these days...Arrogant, and ignorant.

You're right about one thing though, it is uncomplicated. You can't force anyone to your will...All you can do is try to pursuade them...And your skills at that sir, frankly suck.

Did you not say this to me?

"Once you've made the "choices" about how to 'manage" your life, and those choices affect the very freedoms of others..."

You made this about me...And I've told you that you have no argument in that respect, yet you continue, why? Surely not because you think you're changing my mind, no, what you want is to bully me into agreement with you, and I can tell you sir, that won't work.

 

[BWK]

Nah, you didn't "school" me on anything....This is a narcissist view point that liberals seem to cherish these days...Arrogant, and ignorant.

You're right about one thing though, it is uncomplicated. You can't force anyone to your will...All you can do is try to pursuade them...And your skills at that sir, frankly suck.

Did you not say this to me?

"Once you've made the "choices" about how to 'manage" your life, and those choices affect the very freedoms of others..."

You made this about me...And I've told you that you have no argument in that respect, yet you continue, why? Surely not because you think you're changing my mind, no, what you want is to bully me into agreement with you, and I can tell you sir, that won't work.

OMG, you are as dense as the four walls in my room. Good grief! There is nothing arrogant nor ignorant about reality. If you make a choice to spread your infections onto me, either knowingly or unknowingly, and without the necessary precautions, you have already declared war against me. It's that simple.

And no, if you could understand simple word semantics, I was not addressing you and your choices, "you" had made about your own vaccination. I'm making a general argument against those who choose not to do the responsible thing.

As for me bullying you into agreeing with me, I never expected you to. And, this is totally on you whether you believe it or not. The topic is inarguable. You either understand self determination in its proper context, responsibility, and morality, in order to understand freedom. And, at the end of the day, all those factors must work together to make things right for ourselves and others. Anything less than that, is selfish and self centered. Choosing the wrong path tells us more about who you are, and that no manner of doing what's right, would have any meaning for you.

 

[dudmuck]

I’m afraid to appear to be correcting you in your assessment, but I feel compelled to do so. “Less is better with covid vaccines” Google that related to Covid trials as these pharmas went in overkill mode conducting rapid testing which resulted to substandard products. Way below par; soon you will even see the difference with standard products being offered without numerous side effects. I’m still not promoting the jabs I’m just well aware that less is better when it comes to vaccines as it’s absolutely equivalent to adverse reactions when concoctions should have been fractionalized in the first place. Thus, increased adverse reaction outcomes are following second jabs compared to first jabs. Now they’re recommending a mix and match of their crappy products. Lol Forget about it.

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

Its the omicron variant which has mutated enough the point where the vaccination we got nearly a year ago no longer gives us anti-bodies which are effective against the omicron variant. A booster dose is required to bring our anti-bodies back up to sufficient levels for our immune system to fight the new variant. Our immune system slowly forgets the anti-bodies that were generated after getting vaccinated, this is why boosters are needed -> to bring our antibodies back up.

do you know about randomized double-blind trials? This is how they test something new, a drug, a vaccine, or whatever we might take. They first try it on rodents to see if its effective and safe, then they move the people if it first passes that trial, then a third phase is where they try it on 10's of thousands of people, an then if it passes those trials, the FDA will allow the general population to take it.

 

[j-mac]

OMG, you are as dense as the four walls in my room. Good grief! There is nothing arrogant nor ignorant about reality. If you make a choice to spread your infections onto me, either knowingly or unknowingly, and without the necessary precautions, you have already declared war against me. It's that simple.

And no, if you could understand simple word semantics, I was not addressing you and your choices, "you" had made about your own vaccination. I'm making a general argument against those who choose not to do the responsible thing.

As for me bullying you into agreeing with me, I never expected you to. And, this is totally on you whether you believe it or not. The topic is inarguable. You either understand self determination in its proper context, responsibility, and morality, in order to understand freedom. And, at the end of the day, all those factors must work together to make things right for ourselves and others. Anything less than that, is selfish and self centered. Choosing the wrong path tells us more about who you are, and that no manner of doing what's right, would have any meaning for you.

Well, tell me how you would know who is or who isn't vaccinated today? Because, without you knowing that then your declarations here are just bloviating....And if you did know, who was and who wasn't, what would you suggest for those who aren't?

Wouldn't you have to know underlying reasons for choosing not to get the vaccine?

See if you can answer this one without the name calling mmmmk?