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Conservative Christians and Catholics are not going to go along with abolishing the institution of marriage out of spite for same-sex marriage. The status between a married couple is much bigger than any contract that the couple can come up with themselves. For example, a spouse is legally the next of kin, a spouse gets pensions and social security benefits after the earning spouse dies, spouses can file joint taxes and joint bankruptcy, a spouse is responsible for all the debts incurred by the other spouse, including medical care, spouses are legally required to support each other, etc.
Also, I am a married man and abolishing marriage is a personal attack on my status and the status of my wife, and this goes deeper than man-made law. Marriage is a sacrament of the Catholic Church, and in Genesis it says that a man and wife become one flesh in the eyes of God, and the bond is not broken until death.
First of all, Christians and Catholics are out of choices if they wish to retain sanctity of marriage. If it remains a state sanctioned institution, it has to include homosexual marriage. .
Conservative Christians and Catholics are not going to go along with abolishing the institution of marriage out of spite for same-sex marriage. The status between a married couple is much bigger than any contract that the couple can come up with themselves. For example, a spouse is legally the next of kin, a spouse gets pensions and social security benefits after the earning spouse dies, spouses can file joint taxes and joint bankruptcy, a spouse is responsible for all the debts incurred by the other spouse, including medical care, spouses are legally required to support each other, etc.
Also, I am a married man and abolishing marriage is a personal attack on my status and the status of my wife, and this goes deeper than man-made law. Marriage is a sacrament of the Catholic Church, and in Genesis it says that a man and wife become one flesh in the eyes of God, and the bond is not broken until death.
As for "abolishing marriage" ...I never said that. Surely, the relationship between you and your wife is not dependent on a document from the State, is it? Of course not... you presented a very eloquent quote from the Bible which proves it's not. Your marriage will survive not having the State bless it.
Is the marriage of two elderly people invalid? Is procreation a requirement of marriage? Your argument falls on its face.There is nothing wrong with legal homo marriage as long as it's between a homo man and a lesbian. That scenario can procreate so the protection of legal marriage is valid.
You just love bringing up the elderly and disabled.
Tell me exactly how many same sex couples can not procreate within their unions because of reproductive disabilities or advanced age?
Here's a clue, 0% and still not a single child ever born by same sex coupling.
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The thing is, same-sex marriage has thrown a giant wrench at our society, and we don't know yet how much collateral damage it will cause. The Supreme Court should have allowed the states to decide this issue. Now we know that once again, the desires of the American people do not matter. Only liberals matter.
Boss, this is not going to happen, so there is no further use in discussing it.
LOL... Oh, okay... since you say it's not I guess I'll shut up! NOT!
Hate to break it to ya but it's already happening. Alabama passed it but needed a supermajority because it wasn't part of the governor's agenda. It will pass next session. It's also being introduced in several other states. This is going to be what you see happening all over America. If you want to stick your head in the sand or live in denial, that's fine... it is happening though.
Oh go fuck yourself. You and I both know the American people were not consulted on gay marriage. The Supreme Court just smashed the Constitution and the law to make this lawless decision. The result will be increasing chaos and contempt for the law.The thing is, same-sex marriage has thrown a giant wrench at our society, and we don't know yet how much collateral damage it will cause. The Supreme Court should have allowed the states to decide this issue. Now we know that once again, the desires of the American people do not matter. Only liberals matter.
What 'giant wrench' Blackrook?
How has the decision hurt your marriage in particular? You thinking of leaving your wife now?
Doesn't hurt my marriage- or the marriage of anyone I know.
The Supreme Court has overturned unconstitutional marriage laws 3 times before- this just makes it the 4th time.
And of course the Supreme Court is following the 'desires of the American people'- since most Americans now favor same gender marriage.
Roughly 60% of Americans favor same gender marriage- and to conservatives like yourself- the desires of the American people- especially the desires of Americans who happen to be homosexuals- do not matter. To you- only your own opinion matters.
Yea we know ...not workable, not possible, not happeningYes, I’ve heard that said before….mostly by people who have not really thought it through, who have not really considered what that would look like.
I've thought it through and I agree with myself.
It will look like this... ____________________________________.
Where there was once State sanctioning of marriages gay and straight, there would be no marriages gay or straight. At least not sanctioned by the state. Individuals can call whatever they like "marriage" and it's not anyone's business.
Yep... workable, possible, already happening.
Oh go fuck yourself. You and I both know the American people were not consulted on gay marriage. The Supreme Court just smashed the Constitution and the law to make this lawless decision. The result will be increasing chaos and contempt for the law.The thing is, same-sex marriage has thrown a giant wrench at our society, and we don't know yet how much collateral damage it will cause. The Supreme Court should have allowed the states to decide this issue. Now we know that once again, the desires of the American people do not matter. Only liberals matter.
What 'giant wrench' Blackrook?
How has the decision hurt your marriage in particular? You thinking of leaving your wife now?
Doesn't hurt my marriage- or the marriage of anyone I know.
The Supreme Court has overturned unconstitutional marriage laws 3 times before- this just makes it the 4th time.
And of course the Supreme Court is following the 'desires of the American people'- since most Americans now favor same gender marriage.
Roughly 60% of Americans favor same gender marriage- and to conservatives like yourself- the desires of the American people- especially the desires of Americans who happen to be homosexuals- do not matter. To you- only your own opinion matters.
We don't need idiots tampering with the marriage laws.
The State isn't going to have any kind of marriages, the State doesn't need to get married. But thanks for confirming this arrangement doesn't effect you, I was concerned about that. Since the Federal government doesn't sanction marriage I'm not too worried about what they recognize.
No that's not what the bill did.
The bill didn't eliminate Civil Marriage in Alabama, I provided a link that showed that, ignoring it doesn't change reality.
Alabama was still going to have Civil Marriage, the only thing that was changing was changing it from the "license" issued by the state to a "form" filed with the government. At th
At end of the day Civil Marriage was still there, it would still be recognized across state lines, and it would still be valid for Federal purposes.
And yes, the recognition of Civil Marriage is very important to the men and women of the military since (Of which as a retiree I'm one) such recognition means their spouses get on the base, have access to the Commissary, have access to military medical facilities, spouse co-location for PCS moves, etc. Let alone all the other aspects of Federal recognition.
Here is a link to the proposed legislation -->> http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us/alison/searchableinstruments/2015SS/bills/SB21.htm
Marriage still existed and functioned the same, the difference was how marriage was entered into.
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The only problem with Boss' solution is that it is hurts everyone, and benefits no one.
The reality of the possibility is the determining element. Like having to purchase car insurance for your registered car even if you have no plans to drive.You are presuming there is a legal obligation on the married couple to procreate. Where is this a law?Is the marriage of two elderly people invalid? Is procreation a requirement of marriage? Your argument falls on its face.There is nothing wrong with legal homo marriage as long as it's between a homo man and a lesbian. That scenario can procreate so the protection of legal marriage is valid.
You just love bringing up the elderly and disabled.
Tell me exactly how many same sex couples can not procreate within their unions because of reproductive disabilities or advanced age?
Here's a clue, 0% and still not a single child ever born by same sex coupling.
True Story
The State isn't going to have any kind of marriages, the State doesn't need to get married. But thanks for confirming this arrangement doesn't effect you, I was concerned about that. Since the Federal government doesn't sanction marriage I'm not too worried about what they recognize.
No that's not what the bill did.
The bill didn't eliminate Civil Marriage in Alabama, I provided a link that showed that, ignoring it doesn't change reality.
Alabama was still going to have Civil Marriage, the only thing that was changing was changing it from the "license" issued by the state to a "form" filed with the government. At th
At end of the day Civil Marriage was still there, it would still be recognized across state lines, and it would still be valid for Federal purposes.
And yes, the recognition of Civil Marriage is very important to the men and women of the military since (Of which as a retiree I'm one) such recognition means their spouses get on the base, have access to the Commissary, have access to military medical facilities, spouse co-location for PCS moves, etc. Let alone all the other aspects of Federal recognition.
Here is a link to the proposed legislation -->> http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us/alison/searchableinstruments/2015SS/bills/SB21.htm
Marriage still existed and functioned the same, the difference was how marriage was entered into.
>>>>
Yea we know ...not workable, not possible, not happeningYes, I’ve heard that said before….mostly by people who have not really thought it through, who have not really considered what that would look like.
I've thought it through and I agree with myself.
It will look like this... ____________________________________.
Where there was once State sanctioning of marriages gay and straight, there would be no marriages gay or straight. At least not sanctioned by the state. Individuals can call whatever they like "marriage" and it's not anyone's business.
Yep... workable, possible, already happening.
What you propose could be workable- but won't be. It is possible- but it won't happen. And it isn't happening anywhere in the United States- not now- not in the forseeable future.
You want to take marriage away from millions of Americans.
Just to deny marriage to gay couples.
How amazingly sick and depraved.
Oh go fuck yourself. You and I both know the American people were not consulted on gay marriage. The Supreme Court just smashed the Constitution and the law to make this lawless decision. The result will be increasing chaos and contempt for the law.The thing is, same-sex marriage has thrown a giant wrench at our society, and we don't know yet how much collateral damage it will cause. The Supreme Court should have allowed the states to decide this issue. Now we know that once again, the desires of the American people do not matter. Only liberals matter.
What 'giant wrench' Blackrook?
How has the decision hurt your marriage in particular? You thinking of leaving your wife now?
Doesn't hurt my marriage- or the marriage of anyone I know.
The Supreme Court has overturned unconstitutional marriage laws 3 times before- this just makes it the 4th time.
And of course the Supreme Court is following the 'desires of the American people'- since most Americans now favor same gender marriage.
Roughly 60% of Americans favor same gender marriage- and to conservatives like yourself- the desires of the American people- especially the desires of Americans who happen to be homosexuals- do not matter. To you- only your own opinion matters.
You don't think that the majority of the court was aware of, or was influenced by the opinion polls?
Get real Boss Man. I didn't say that the decision was based on opinion, now did I? However, they, unlike you, are not living in a bubble. They had to have asked themselves if the American people were ready for it. They had to consider how it would play out. They are actually human beings you know. And yes, the applied constitutional law to the matter.You don't think that the majority of the court was aware of, or was influenced by the opinion polls?
Dear Lord! ...The function of the supreme court is NOT to base opinions and rulings on polls! If that's the case, we don't need a fucking SCOTUS! We can let Gallup and Pew Research determine what is or isn't "Constitutional" based on a fucking poll! Why do we need a court?
This is the dumbest thing I've read from a liberal today. Really? You were serious?
