Only some of your own will care if you have impeachment hearings just wasting time. Evidently you and everyone you know never had any one in your family or extended family who died from drugs.
Keeping ICE away from polling places a top priority for Democrats
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You really mean to tell me, you have some kind of hard-on against the Independent voters in the United States. You should reconsider the Independent voter, if you ever wish to win another election, and not be so condescending. There are about 38 million Republicans, 44.1 Democrats, and 33.7 million Independents. Which way the Independent swing will be the direction the election swings, and this will only increase, as normal American continue to lose faith in the two major dumbass parties. Independents are usually better informed, intelligent and highly pragmatic. We are not the far right or far left radical nut balls, that get in front of the cameras, every day. They are not the left wiing Socialist, nor the fascist right. They still believe in the constitution, rule of law, and that government should serve the people, with nobody or no corporation above the law or paying for play, control or influence. The two parties are consistently proving themselves, simply not worth a shit. Independents pick the lessor of two evils, at any given time.
Independents are growing faster in political affiliations, with a significant increase in the number of Americans identifying as independents compared to those identifying as Republicans or Democrats. uniteamerica.org
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Voters have no choice to what is presented to them. They see a "D" next to the lever and they vote for it. So, you run Communist's. Even if they say they are moderate, the Marxism appears after the swearing in. There is no left, center, right of the Democratic Party. There is mostly left of left and left. That is the truth. The right has pushed what they wanted also in many races. Term limits will not happen. The Progressive Party is of American destruction and an introduction into a North American government entity comprising Canada, U.S., and Mexico. And there are a percentage from the Republican Party who are and I am hoping the current administration is not.You really mean to tell me, you have some kind of hard-on against the Independent voters in the United States. You should reconsider the Independent voter, if you ever wish to win another election, and not be so condescending. There are about 38 million Republicans, 44.1 Democrats, and 33.7 million Independents. Which way the Independent swing will be the direction the election swings, and this will only increase, as normal American continue to lose faith in the two major dumbass parties. Independents are usually better informed, intelligent and highly pragmatic. We are not the far right or far left radical nut balls, that get in front of the cameras, every day. They are not the left wiing Socialist, nor the fascist right. They still believe in the constitution, rule of law, and that government should serve the people, with nobody or no corporation above the law or paying for play, control or influence. The two parties are consistently proving themselves, simply not worth a shit. They pick the lessor of two evils, at any given time.
Independents are growing faster in political affiliations, with a significant increase in the number of Americans identifying as independents compared to those identifying as Republicans or Democrats. uniteamerica.orgVisual Capitalist
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If you don't like that I protest the tactics of the fascist masked goon squads, let them get rid of the masks, go back to warrants signed by judges for entering and searching, and figure out how to read and identify driver's licenses and passport, proving citizenship, and quit shooting Americans. Some Americans do survive the assault of the Goon Squads, such as:
Marimar Martinez, who was shot five times by a Border Patrol agent, faced initial charges that were later dropped after body camera footage contradicted the officers' claims about the incident. The evidence revealed that the agent's actions did not align with the narrative provided by the government, leading to the dismissal of the case against her.
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Yes, there have been instances where ICE has arrested American citizens who provided valid identification or passports proving their citizenship. Despite showing proof, some individuals were still detained while their citizenship was verified, leading to wrongful detentions and mistreatment.
WikipediaNotable Incidents
- Leonardo Garcia Venegas: Detained while filming a raid, despite showing his REAL ID.
- 9-Year-Old Girl: Detained for 32 hours by Customs and Border Protection (CBP) because an officer doubted her resemblance to her passport photo.
- Raffy Shy: A 79-year-old man was thrown to the ground by ICE agents, resulting in serious injuries, and was held until his citizenship was confirmed.
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He definitely sucked for doing it, as I said repeatedly the day after he basically said "ya'll come, everybody invited" with no plans on how to handle the surge, no numbers was going to allow, and no beefing up the Texas border facilities, administrative personnel or immigration courts to handle, what we all knew was going to be an onslaught.
But, that does not justify, how this administration has handled the round up, the methods, the masked combat geared storm troopers, the illegal searches, the American Citizens locked up waiting for somebody to check the ID provided. And, certainly does not certainly does not justify shooting unarmed American Citizens (killing some) and hospitalizing others, then dropping charges, after calling the ones that lived terrorist, sometimes after it proven by video, the ICE Agents lied, to justify their actions, when they attacked the citizen first.
The should practice the laws and constitution, they wish to protect, not be lawless and reckless in their zeal to achieve numbers, mostly of people with no criminal record, whatsoever, when they told us, they were starting with the hardcore criminal aliens.
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That’s not the question, the question is what’s wrong with showing Id?
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There have been multiple reports of U.S. citizens being wrongfully arrested by ICE despite presenting valid identification or proof of citizenship, such as birth certificates or passports. These incidents highlight concerns about ICE's enforcement practices and the agency's failure to verify citizenship claims adequately.
Overview of ICE Arrests of U.S. Citizens
Reports indicate that U.S. citizens have been wrongfully arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) despite presenting valid identification or proof of citizenship. These incidents have raised significant concerns about the enforcement practices of ICE.
Notable Cases
Case Examples
| Case Description | Outcome |
|---|---|
| A U.S. citizen in Florida was arrested despite showing a birth certificate and state ID. Charges were dropped after media attention. | Released after 48 hours in custody. |
| In Minneapolis, a citizen was held for hours after refusing to show ID, despite being a U.S. citizen. | Encounter escalated with aggressive tactics from officers. |
| Reports of citizens being detained for extended periods without verification of their citizenship claims. | Some were held for over a week without legal recourse. |
ICE Policies and Practices
ICE is legally prohibited from detaining U.S. citizens. However, there have been numerous reports of agents ignoring citizenship claims and failing to verify documentation. This has led to wrongful arrests and, in some cases, deportations of U.S. citizens, including children.
You could have found this, yourself if you bothered to read anything but right wing radical dribble that passes for news. Remember, The Internet Is Not Just For Message Boards and Porn Tubes Anymore. Thinking people use it for research news and actual understanding of current events. But, I guess the last time you researched anything was for your Highschool Senior Term Paper.
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The Black Panthers are not the US Government. The government should make sure orgs such as Black Panthers and Proud Boys are not intimidating registered voter, at the polls. There damn sure shouldn't be Federal shock troops intimidating registered voter at the polls, to suppress the votes, so to favor the administration in power. That is government fascism.
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Umm, wrong:
Illegals Able To Vote in Arizona
If you thought that all these illegals are 'military aged males' and were worried about this invasion going to a firefight, think again. Sure...ted.servepics.com
Illegals Will Vote in Arizona
The southern border invasion. Everyone was so focused on the 'military aged males' that were coming through. Maybe, but for now...
Noncitizen Voting is Vanishingly Rare
This resource collects allegations that ineligible noncitizens are voting in large numbers and shows that they all amounted to nothing remotely significant. It also rounds up independent research on the issue.
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Link(s) to back your claim or you are lying.
Trump falsely claims noncitizen voter fraud is widespread. Here are 5 facts.
Voter fraud by noncitizens is very rare and does not occur in numbers that could swing a federal election, studies show.
www.cbsnews.com
Heritage Foundation Data: This conservative organization documented just 68 cases of non-citizen voting over several decades, which is less than 5% of their total fraud cases.
Trump’s Claims About Noncitizens Voting Are False. We Can Prove It.
Recently, a number of states have undertaken investigations into noncitizen voting, cross-checking voter rolls with citizenship status, and found it virtually nonexistent.When confronted with allegations on noncitizens voting in Utah, Lt. Gov. Deidre Henderson, the state’s top election official, initiated a monthslong review of Utah’s approximately 2.1 million registered voters. She and her team found one “confirmed noncitizen.” Just one. And that one noncitizen, while registered, had never voted.
Idaho, a state of one million voters, ran similar tests in 2024, and they found 36 “very likely” registered noncitizens. That may seem like a lot until you view it in light of claims that statewide elections are altered by such anomalies. Some, but not all, of those 36 people have previously voted, the secretary of state, Phil McGrane, said, but “out of the million-plus registered voters we started with, we’re down to 10 thousandths of a percent” of the overall count — not even close to affecting the outcome.
Louisiana’s investigation in 2025 netted some 390 noncitizen registrants, 79 of whom had voted in at least one election over the last several decades (out of 2.9 million registrants). Just a few weeks ago, Montana found 23 possible noncitizen registrants (out of approximately 785,000 people registered). And Georgia, in some ways the model for these investigations, found in its 2024 audit 20 registered noncitizens (out of 8.2 million registrations). In my four years in office in Maricopa County overseeing voter registration, I came across a total of two possible instances of noncitizens voting out of some 2.5 million registered voters.
Some politicians are trying to exploit even these small numbers. In Michigan, the Macomb County clerk, Anthony Forlini, who is running for the top election office in the state, the secretary of state, recently announced to great fanfare that he’d found 15 noncitizens on his county’s voter rolls of over 724,000 registered voters. The incumbent secretary of state, Jocelyn Benson, then tasked her team with investigating the 15 files. It found that three of the people were U.S. citizens, four were previously removed from voter rolls, four were under further investigation and four do seem to be noncitizens.
These investigations affirm what is simply common sense. People largely aren’t willing to risk their status in the United States — the land of economic opportunity — for the ability to cast one more vote out of hundreds of thousands or millions in a state and hundreds of millions in the country.
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See post #151
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How long were you detained, and what proof of Identity and citizenship did you present when being taken into custody?
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Like I said, The Democrats and the Republicans both totally suck, do not serve the American people, and are not worth any allegiance, whatsoever. The are just for control of the unthinking masses. Step outside the path. Pick the candidate you support, not based on affiliation, but their history, their character, their platform, in consideration of current events and their allegiance to supporting the Constitution.
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That’s not a link, Simp.
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You whine about where you think I get my news, then link to the lunatic lefty Congressman Dan Goldberg?There have been multiple reports of U.S. citizens being wrongfully arrested by ICE despite presenting valid identification or proof of citizenship, such as birth certificates or passports. These incidents highlight concerns about ICE's enforcement practices and the agency's failure to verify citizenship claims adequately.
PBS
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Overview of ICE Arrests of U.S. Citizens
Reports indicate that U.S. citizens have been wrongfully arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) despite presenting valid identification or proof of citizenship. These incidents have raised significant concerns about the enforcement practices of ICE.
Notable Cases
Case Examples
Case Description Outcome A U.S. citizen in Florida was arrested despite showing a birth certificate and state ID. Charges were dropped after media attention. Released after 48 hours in custody. In Minneapolis, a citizen was held for hours after refusing to show ID, despite being a U.S. citizen. Encounter escalated with aggressive tactics from officers. Reports of citizens being detained for extended periods without verification of their citizenship claims. Some were held for over a week without legal recourse.
ICE Policies and Practices
ICE is legally prohibited from detaining U.S. citizens. However, there have been numerous reports of agents ignoring citizenship claims and failing to verify documentation. This has led to wrongful arrests and, in some cases, deportations of U.S. citizens, including children.
You could have found this, yourself if you bothered to read anything but right wing radical dribble that passes for news. Remember, The Internet Is Not Just For Message Boards and Porn Tubes Anymore. Thinking people use it for research news and actual understanding of current events. But, I guess the last time you researched anything was for your Highschool Senior Term Paper.
Too funny.
And his examples are “man in Florida” etc…..
Seriously?
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First of all, I was never in custody and a DL and SS card were sufficient.
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Look, idiot! You asked for links, I provided. No whine, no bullsht. I know nothing of Goldberg. You are just a paid poster, paid to support the Trump administration. I owe you nothing.
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Nobody needs to show you a link to prove to you what we have all seen.
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Did not happen.
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