Karl Marx & Satan

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Marxist was a Satanist.

Such is easy for Christians believers to say while they themselves disregard caring and compassion, and the structure of the church under the leadership of the Apostles who had been with the Lord Jesus, Acts 2:45, Acts 4:32, which those now do not submit to.

There's a distribution for almost everything.

 

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There is not anything biblically shown to be godly about capitalism. There is nothing either for state enforced distribution of goods, or services, to people in the state. But sharing to meet others' needs is entirely biblical in basis. The problem is that there is nothing godly for people to have a state over them. Biblically, we should be believers with God over us with nothing in place of God. With that we would be under direction to share among others according to the more immediate needs of others, and there would be no embarrassing those in greater need, that they can speak of it.

Generally speaking it's true that capitalism is not a point within the bible. But the link between owning land and/or property (fruits of labor) and freedom is. Not to mention history itself (i.e. the transition from feudal to capitalism).

There's a difference between charitable giving and forced giving. And there's a difference in how the charity is administered (subsidiarity vs centralized government). Forced giving which does not accomplish the task of lifting people up is effectively lip service.

 

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There is nothing "godly" about materialism, which capitalism and Marxism both are based upon.

True. The further away we get from our Christian heritage the more materialistic we will become.

Solzhenitsyn said in his Harvard Address:

The interrelationship is such, too, that the current of materialism which is most to the left always ends up by being stronger, more attractive, and victorious, because it is more consistent. Humanism without its Christian heritage cannot resist such competition. We watch this process in the past centuries and especially in the past decades, on a world scale as the situation becomes increasingly dramatic. Liberalism was inevitably displaced by radicalism; radicalism had to surrender to socialism; and socialism could never resist communism.​

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[FredVegbarfuss]

There is not anything biblically shown to be godly about capitalism. There is nothing either for state enforced distribution of goods, or services, to people in the state. But sharing to meet others' needs is entirely biblical in basis. The problem is that there is nothing godly for people to have a state over them. Biblically, we should be believers with God over us with nothing in place of God. With that we would be under direction to share among others according to the more immediate needs of others, and there would be no embarrassing those in greater need, that they can speak of it.

Generally speaking it's true that capitalism is not a point within the bible. But the link between owning land and/or property (fruits of labor) and freedom is. Not to mention history itself (i.e. the transition from feudal to capitalism).

There's a difference between charitable giving and forced giving. And there's a difference in how the charity is administered (subsidiarity vs centralized government). Forced giving which does not accomplish the task of lifting people up is effectively lip service.

I got lost in the grammar of the words being used. "But the link between owning land and/or property and freedom is." In the Bible? If you meant that, do you have passages in mind? "Not to mention history itself". ... What? Not to mention history itself what? Without it being a complete sentence I am not sure what this is saying. It is not a grammatical parallel to what text was preceding it.

Yes, there is a difference between charitable giving and forced giving. With having a government, the state, over you, you are being forced already in many ways, your freedom is token freedom in things, you don't have more freedom without seeking it, and you are forced in things now.

There is the Bible model of all that is owned among the people of a church in Christ being redistributed to each with regard to needs, which is lacking in churches now generally.

 

[Colin norris]

K9Buck
Not you again. Where do you guys dream this rubbish up from.
There is no Satan bullshit. You are all paranoid. I'm surprised you don't link it to some Democrat plot. Grow up.

 

[FredVegbarfuss]

The Bible shows the model to freely share. We should need no government over us if Christ is our one king. But we believers are not really sharing freely as we ought. There should be church designed for us if we do come to Christ, that has structure for those in it sharing according to need, providing opportunities too, which we do inadequately on our own, and so it remains on a state in place to do what we could be already doing better. It is not a matter of anything Satanic, but sin in our life keeps us from turning to further godliness, that can show in what we do and would choose to do.

 

[Clyde 154]

Marx was an atheist jew. Thats as far from a satanist as you can possibly get

You know much about satanists, do you?

I do. The fugurative satanism and the literal.
I read about all religions.
Plus, you dont even have to know anything about satanism to figure out an jew born atheist is far from a satanist.
First, Jews dont believe in a literal satan and he is an atheist.
I mean, duh.

Question? How can one be a Jew and an atheist? I sometimes find myself using this oxymoronic term. But in reality If you are a Jew you believe in God....if you believe in God you cannot be an atheist as ATHEIST literally means anti (against) theism, against God....anti deist,. i.e., NO BELIEF IN GOD. One can pretend to be a Jew and claim Judaism as a racial heritage (which is absurd.......as religious faith does not constitute being a RACE of humanity).

Actually there are almost 8 million individuals claiming Jewish Heritage around the world.......but......only 600K in the US and about 750K around the globe to include the nation now calling itself Israel are practicing Orthodox Judaism, that is about 10% of those "claiming" the heritage that are actually fundamental Jews. The vast majority claim to be REFORMED JEWS......whatever the term means as they most certainly do garner their doctrine from the actual record of the Holy Scriptures.

So no..........its not surprising that someone might call the masters of Social Communism "SATANISTS"......why? Its simple, anyone claiming to be a Jew and or religious.......or a non practicing Jewish atheist...etc., they are a liar. Who is the father of all lies? John 8:44 SATAN. Not to mention the fact that Socialism at its purest form (Communism), in its quest for Social Justice killed over 100 million human souls in the 20th century alone. That would qualify any political movement/ruler as being at least a disciple of Satan.

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

How has liberating the poverty-stricken masses of workers throughout Europe from Capitalist oppression got anything to do with Satanism or wickedness?

 

[Clyde 154]

How has liberating the poverty-stricken masses of workers throughout Europe from Capitalist oppression got anything to do with Satanism or wickedness?

Ask "HITLER".................you just laid out his political platform to perfection. Between Hitler and Stalin taking the lives of over 100 million human beings in their quest for SOCIAL JUSTICE against "capitalism".......I can see nothing wrong with Socialism piling up human beings like cordwood. Then we have the crimes of CHINA. Nope nothing to see here folks.......socialism is clearly the moral superior of CAPITALISM (which bases its principles upon the free will purchases of goods and services).....I'd much rather have an elite Hierarchy tell me where I can work, how much income I can make, how many children I can have, what I can teach my children, while that Hierarchy controls all banking and property rights...........

Besides that Socialism is the perfect UTOPIA.

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

How has liberating the poverty-stricken masses of workers throughout Europe from Capitalist oppression got anything to do with Satanism or wickedness?

Ask "HITLER".................you just laid out his political platform to perfection. Between Hitler and Stalin taking the lives of over 100 million human beings in their quest for SOCIAL JUSTICE against "capitalism".......I can see nothing wrong with Socialism piling up human beings like cordwood. Then we have the crimes of CHINA. Nope nothing to see here folks.......socialism is clearly the moral superior of CAPITALISM (which bases its principles upon the free will purchases of goods and services).....I'd much rather have an elite Hierarchy tell me where I can work, how much income I can make, how many children I can have, what I can teach my children, while that Hierarchy controls all banking and property rights...........

Besides that Socialism is the perfect UTOPIA.

What has any of that got to do with Karl Marx?
Does the Crusades murdering Muslims, The Catholic Church, The Inquisition, and the burning of witches have anything to do with the teachings of Christ?
Marx simply laid out a vision of what workers needed to do to improve their lives. He laid out a blueprint
for what needed to be done. I'm sure he would have been as horrified over the way some interpreted his vision in the former Soviet Union and China. That is why when Tommy Tennant asked in his thread 'Does The World Need A New Martin Luther? I replied "No! It needs a new Karl Marx!" to update the Socialist plan minus the authoritarianism to conditions in the early 21st centuary.
Having said that you should remember where those countries were before Communism. Russia was a backward feudal society with massacres of Jews and peasants over centuries under the Tsars yet within 40 years became a Superpower defeating the greatest evil in history Naziism, and the first to put a man into space.
China too suffered centuries of civil war and exploitation by foreign powers, The Japanese killed tens of thousands in ritual slaughter. China is now destined to become both the leading economic and military power in the world.

One thing you yanks always get wrong is defining the Nazis as socialists. Nobody considers them that in Europe. Hitler simply used the term National Socialist hoping that by using 'Socialist' he could attract working-class men away from the communist party that was strong in Germany after WWl.
You can't be a National Socialist, it's a contradiction as Socialism is international, all men and women throughout all races. brothers and Sisters - comrades. Hitler was a Nationalist.

 

[FredVegbarfuss]

There is a problem with what is upheld or enforced by the state in place. Socialism or communism in itself would not be a problem, in a community where needs of any are met, and individuals can freely leave if they choose. Capitalism itself is no more godly. In reality we should try doing well with being productive but never compromising compassion that can be in us, to help others more in need than we are, if we can do so with what we have. Capitalism does not work that way, and communism as it exists is where it is state enforced, instead of in willing communities.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

There is a problem with what is upheld or enforced by the state in place. Socialism or communism in itself would not be a problem, in a community where needs of any are met, and individuals can freely leave if they choose. Capitalism itself is no more godly. In reality we should try doing well with being productive but never compromising compassion that can be in us, to help others more in need than we are, if we can do so with what we have. Capitalism does not work that way, and communism as it exists is where it is state enforced, instead of in willing communities.

Capitalism does not work that way,

Yet in the United States, the poor do much better than in any other fucking country, especially in the Socialist/Communist countries, where the poor get free money, to spend where they want, while those who work hard have to be robbed of their wealth, that should go to their families. We are the most charitable nation on this planet, yet people like you hate US, because you were bred into hatred....

I dare you to watch this video..

 

[FredVegbarfuss]

Yet in the United States, the poor do much better than in any other fucking country, especially in the Socialist/Communist countries, where the poor get free money, to spend where they want, while those who work hard have to be robbed of their wealth, that should go to their families. We are the most charitable nation on this planet, yet people like you hate US, because you were bred into hatred....

I dare you to watch this video..

So Morgan Freeman is the authority on things I should listen to? So that's going to really change my mind!

You do not know me, or much about me. It is not like I would go out of my way for us to get to know each other.

Your best point is comparing poor people now to poor people in ages past in civilization. What is the good of that? We should all be better than those in ages past in civilization, that is a terrible standard. And it is not all continually getting better. The poor do not all have a way out of being poor. Working in labor all anyone would will not make them rich. The prices of things are going up more than wages are, and there is less that will be available, especially to poor people, but still that way to most people. The rich do not lose out, though, while civilization continues.

You are charitable? And I am bred with hatred? Sure. You have your mind made up. But I see no hate in anything I have posted. Warnings I may give are not with hatred, I care in giving warnings.