Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

[boedicca]

Tax cuts don't work unless spending and regulation are also reduced.

Fail.

Condolences on your ignorance of basic economic principles.

The stupid must hurt. Get yourself some of that Obabblecare.

 

[Thinker101]

Another Republican fail....and they still think this is going to work on a national level? My own state, which has significant budgetary problems and a new Republican majority is looking at the same sort of legislation

Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

Kansas lawmakers have voted to roll back a series of major tax cuts that became an example for conservative lawmakers around the country but didn't deliver the growth and prosperity promised by Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican.


A coalition of conservative Republicans, some of whom voted for sweeping tax cuts in 2012 or defended them in the years since, sided with moderates and Democrats to override Brownback's veto of a $1.2 billion tax increase.


The law to increase taxes over the next two years comes as legislators seek to close a projected $900 million budget gap for that same period and bolster funding for K-12 schools under a Kansas Supreme Court order.


"It's a huge vote," said state Rep. Steven Johnson, a Republican and chairman of the House tax panel, adding that legislative leadership had explored many routes to find a tax solution that would gain sufficient support in both chambers. "It's a huge vote for looking for an option for Kansas among limited options."


Floor debates on taxes ran late into Tuesday evening, but in the end, 27 senators and 88 representatives rendered Brownback's veto — which had been handed down just hours earlier — irrelevant.


Passage of the tax bill brings to an end signature tax policies of the Brownback administration. Most of those policies were part of a 2012 law that exempted owners of more than 300,000 small businesses and became a political flashpoint in recent elections.​

What the hell is wrong with you folks. Don't you think the overall American economy would have ANY affect on a city or state economy. How about some of you people explain to me how extremely well the American economy has been over the last 8 fricken years and the Kansas economy just couldn't keep up.

 

[JBond]

Another Republican fail....and they still think this is going to work on a national level? My own state, which has significant budgetary problems and a new Republican majority is looking at the same sort of legislation

Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

Kansas lawmakers have voted to roll back a series of major tax cuts that became an example for conservative lawmakers around the country but didn't deliver the growth and prosperity promised by Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican.


A coalition of conservative Republicans, some of whom voted for sweeping tax cuts in 2012 or defended them in the years since, sided with moderates and Democrats to override Brownback's veto of a $1.2 billion tax increase.


The law to increase taxes over the next two years comes as legislators seek to close a projected $900 million budget gap for that same period and bolster funding for K-12 schools under a Kansas Supreme Court order.


"It's a huge vote," said state Rep. Steven Johnson, a Republican and chairman of the House tax panel, adding that legislative leadership had explored many routes to find a tax solution that would gain sufficient support in both chambers. "It's a huge vote for looking for an option for Kansas among limited options."


Floor debates on taxes ran late into Tuesday evening, but in the end, 27 senators and 88 representatives rendered Brownback's veto — which had been handed down just hours earlier — irrelevant.


Passage of the tax bill brings to an end signature tax policies of the Brownback administration. Most of those policies were part of a 2012 law that exempted owners of more than 300,000 small businesses and became a political flashpoint in recent elections.​

You posted a bunch of crap. Idiotic talking points created by greedy big spenders. Sometimes in Kansas, anyone with an R next their name can get elected. A bunch of Rino's moved into the statehouse this past election.

Revenue from income tax was barely affected. Total drop was only 1.5% of the budget.

I live in Kanas and understand exactly what happened. Here is the truth about the revenue shortfall. Please read both links if you are interested in facts. Liberals, carry on with your lunatic ranting.

Oil, farming suppress sales tax collections

The Kansas Tax Cuts Are Not to Blame for Revenue Woes

Interesting and makes sense. Too bad for you the loons won't read it

I know. I have to try through. The BS was getting deep.

I noticed in your link education spending is out of control. Districts losing students but hiring is way up.

Administration costs have gone bananas the last decade. Combined with some activists judges, and poor decisions regarding distribution of funds, things are not great.

 

[Deleted member 53821]

I'm not really sure what the whole story is but I'm sure there are a lot of republicans who want to put an end to this as much as anyone else. What politicians wants to lower taxes which might dry up revenue?

 

[RodISHI]

Another Republican fail....and they still think this is going to work on a national level? My own state, which has significant budgetary problems and a new Republican majority is looking at the same sort of legislation

Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

Kansas lawmakers have voted to roll back a series of major tax cuts that became an example for conservative lawmakers around the country but didn't deliver the growth and prosperity promised by Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican.


A coalition of conservative Republicans, some of whom voted for sweeping tax cuts in 2012 or defended them in the years since, sided with moderates and Democrats to override Brownback's veto of a $1.2 billion tax increase.


The law to increase taxes over the next two years comes as legislators seek to close a projected $900 million budget gap for that same period and bolster funding for K-12 schools under a Kansas Supreme Court order.


"It's a huge vote," said state Rep. Steven Johnson, a Republican and chairman of the House tax panel, adding that legislative leadership had explored many routes to find a tax solution that would gain sufficient support in both chambers. "It's a huge vote for looking for an option for Kansas among limited options."


Floor debates on taxes ran late into Tuesday evening, but in the end, 27 senators and 88 representatives rendered Brownback's veto — which had been handed down just hours earlier — irrelevant.


Passage of the tax bill brings to an end signature tax policies of the Brownback administration. Most of those policies were part of a 2012 law that exempted owners of more than 300,000 small businesses and became a political flashpoint in recent elections.​

You posted a bunch of crap. Idiotic talking points created by greedy big spenders. Sometimes in Kansas, anyone with an R next their name can get elected. A bunch of Rino's moved into the statehouse this past election.

Revenue from income tax was barely affected. Total drop was only 1.5% of the budget.

I live in Kanas and understand exactly what happened. Here is the truth about the revenue shortfall. Please read both links if you are interested in facts. Liberals, carry on with your lunatic ranting.

Oil, farming suppress sales tax collections

The Kansas Tax Cuts Are Not to Blame for Revenue Woes

Interesting and makes sense. Too bad for you the loons won't read it

I know. I have to try through. The BS was getting deep.

I noticed in your link education spending is out of control. Districts losing students but hiring is way up.

Administration costs have gone bananas the last decade. Combined with some activists judges, and poor decisions regarding distribution of funds, things are not great.

A lot of local budgets from state to counties and cities are all in that same boat. Leave it to some partisan hack though to make it about the Tea Party which both major party control mongers despise. Great info sites, thank you. A lot of info other states can possibly learn by.
ATR Supports Proposals to Scale Back & Repeal Wisconsin's Minimum Markup Law

Oil, farming suppress sales tax collections

 

[velvtacheeze]

Kansas Republicans raise taxes, ending their GOP governor’s ‘real live experiment’ in conservative policy

In a decisive repudiation of conservative tax-cutting philosophy, Kansas Republicans voted this week to reverse deep tax cuts enacted by Gov. Sam Brownback (R), a move that lays bare the challenges of one-party control and the risks for Republicans in Washington pursuing a similar policy at the national level.

The vote by lawmakers in Kansas, which came late Tuesday, followed years of frustration about the damaging impacts of tax cuts on Kansas’s state government. With huge Republican majorities, Brownback had pursued deep reductions in tax rates early in his administration, calling them a “real live experiment” in conservative governance, and tried to veto the legislation rolling them back.

Yet the Kansas legislature’s decision to override his veto could reverberate in many statehouses, where Republicans dominate, and in Washington, where President Trump and congressional allies have made passing similarly deep tax cuts a central pillar of their agenda for this year. The tax reductions in Kansas had not delivered the economic growth Brownback had promised but caused massive holes in the state’s budget and led to unpopular spending cuts in areas such as education spending.
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Hi, Conservatives! Hi! How ya doin'? Hope you're well after your failed and flopped tax experiment in Kansas went down in a giant ball of flames. Yes, we're going to use this against you, in case you were wondering. The best part: GOP still in majority.....raising taxes! Hahahahahahahaha!

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Old news

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Already a thread on this and it ended badly for the left. Very badly thanks to some great links explainng the tax revenue lost

 

[velvtacheeze]

Already a thread on this and it ended badly for the left. Very badly thanks to some great links explainng the tax revenue lost

So you basically acted like Kevin Bacon's character at the end of Animal House then.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Already a thread on this and it ended badly for the left. Very badly thanks to some great links explainng the tax revenue lost

So you basically acted like Kevin Bacon's character at the end of Animal House then.

Find the thread and see for yourself. Oil and farm tax intake tanked, revenues were nowhere near anticipated. Taxes have to rise to cover it.

 

[Coyote]

Another Republican fail....and they still think this is going to work on a national level? My own state, which has significant budgetary problems and a new Republican majority is looking at the same sort of legislation

Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

Kansas lawmakers have voted to roll back a series of major tax cuts that became an example for conservative lawmakers around the country but didn't deliver the growth and prosperity promised by Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican.


A coalition of conservative Republicans, some of whom voted for sweeping tax cuts in 2012 or defended them in the years since, sided with moderates and Democrats to override Brownback's veto of a $1.2 billion tax increase.


The law to increase taxes over the next two years comes as legislators seek to close a projected $900 million budget gap for that same period and bolster funding for K-12 schools under a Kansas Supreme Court order.


"It's a huge vote," said state Rep. Steven Johnson, a Republican and chairman of the House tax panel, adding that legislative leadership had explored many routes to find a tax solution that would gain sufficient support in both chambers. "It's a huge vote for looking for an option for Kansas among limited options."


Floor debates on taxes ran late into Tuesday evening, but in the end, 27 senators and 88 representatives rendered Brownback's veto — which had been handed down just hours earlier — irrelevant.


Passage of the tax bill brings to an end signature tax policies of the Brownback administration. Most of those policies were part of a 2012 law that exempted owners of more than 300,000 small businesses and became a political flashpoint in recent elections.​

What the hell is wrong with you folks. Don't you think the overall American economy would have ANY affect on a city or state economy. How about some of you people explain to me how extremely well the American economy has been over the last 8 fricken years and the Kansas economy just couldn't keep up.

The "overall economy" has been improving over the past five years while Kansas has done the opposite. That ought to tell you something...

 

[Coyote]

Another Republican fail....and they still think this is going to work on a national level? My own state, which has significant budgetary problems and a new Republican majority is looking at the same sort of legislation

Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

Kansas lawmakers have voted to roll back a series of major tax cuts that became an example for conservative lawmakers around the country but didn't deliver the growth and prosperity promised by Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican.


A coalition of conservative Republicans, some of whom voted for sweeping tax cuts in 2012 or defended them in the years since, sided with moderates and Democrats to override Brownback's veto of a $1.2 billion tax increase.


The law to increase taxes over the next two years comes as legislators seek to close a projected $900 million budget gap for that same period and bolster funding for K-12 schools under a Kansas Supreme Court order.


"It's a huge vote," said state Rep. Steven Johnson, a Republican and chairman of the House tax panel, adding that legislative leadership had explored many routes to find a tax solution that would gain sufficient support in both chambers. "It's a huge vote for looking for an option for Kansas among limited options."


Floor debates on taxes ran late into Tuesday evening, but in the end, 27 senators and 88 representatives rendered Brownback's veto — which had been handed down just hours earlier — irrelevant.


Passage of the tax bill brings to an end signature tax policies of the Brownback administration. Most of those policies were part of a 2012 law that exempted owners of more than 300,000 small businesses and became a political flashpoint in recent elections.​

Why don't they just do like California and spend money they don't have and kick the can down the road?

Decades of taxing and spending and spending and taxing, and a 5 year attempt to try to stop that is lambasted as a "failure"

Five years is enough time to see a turn around.

If they did not adjust their government budget it wouldn't do any good. People and enterprise cannot survive in an area that is overburdened by taxes. Our system of government was never intended for government employees to get richer and more benefits than the average worker.

Salaries for government workers are lower then private sector, even with benefits.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Splain New York state doing the same thing?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Another Republican fail....and they still think this is going to work on a national level? My own state, which has significant budgetary problems and a new Republican majority is looking at the same sort of legislation

Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

Kansas lawmakers have voted to roll back a series of major tax cuts that became an example for conservative lawmakers around the country but didn't deliver the growth and prosperity promised by Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican.


A coalition of conservative Republicans, some of whom voted for sweeping tax cuts in 2012 or defended them in the years since, sided with moderates and Democrats to override Brownback's veto of a $1.2 billion tax increase.


The law to increase taxes over the next two years comes as legislators seek to close a projected $900 million budget gap for that same period and bolster funding for K-12 schools under a Kansas Supreme Court order.


"It's a huge vote," said state Rep. Steven Johnson, a Republican and chairman of the House tax panel, adding that legislative leadership had explored many routes to find a tax solution that would gain sufficient support in both chambers. "It's a huge vote for looking for an option for Kansas among limited options."


Floor debates on taxes ran late into Tuesday evening, but in the end, 27 senators and 88 representatives rendered Brownback's veto — which had been handed down just hours earlier — irrelevant.


Passage of the tax bill brings to an end signature tax policies of the Brownback administration. Most of those policies were part of a 2012 law that exempted owners of more than 300,000 small businesses and became a political flashpoint in recent elections.​

What the hell is wrong with you folks. Don't you think the overall American economy would have ANY affect on a city or state economy. How about some of you people explain to me how extremely well the American economy has been over the last 8 fricken years and the Kansas economy just couldn't keep up.

The "overall economy" has been improving over the past five years while Kansas has done the opposite. That ought to tell you something...

All depends what sectors are involved, the link provided above explains Kansas took a hit on energy and farming. Google South Dakota, their oil tax revenue is down 70%

 

[Coyote]

Another Republican fail....and they still think this is going to work on a national level? My own state, which has significant budgetary problems and a new Republican majority is looking at the same sort of legislation

Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

Kansas lawmakers have voted to roll back a series of major tax cuts that became an example for conservative lawmakers around the country but didn't deliver the growth and prosperity promised by Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican.


A coalition of conservative Republicans, some of whom voted for sweeping tax cuts in 2012 or defended them in the years since, sided with moderates and Democrats to override Brownback's veto of a $1.2 billion tax increase.


The law to increase taxes over the next two years comes as legislators seek to close a projected $900 million budget gap for that same period and bolster funding for K-12 schools under a Kansas Supreme Court order.


"It's a huge vote," said state Rep. Steven Johnson, a Republican and chairman of the House tax panel, adding that legislative leadership had explored many routes to find a tax solution that would gain sufficient support in both chambers. "It's a huge vote for looking for an option for Kansas among limited options."


Floor debates on taxes ran late into Tuesday evening, but in the end, 27 senators and 88 representatives rendered Brownback's veto — which had been handed down just hours earlier — irrelevant.


Passage of the tax bill brings to an end signature tax policies of the Brownback administration. Most of those policies were part of a 2012 law that exempted owners of more than 300,000 small businesses and became a political flashpoint in recent elections.​

What the hell is wrong with you folks. Don't you think the overall American economy would have ANY affect on a city or state economy. How about some of you people explain to me how extremely well the American economy has been over the last 8 fricken years and the Kansas economy just couldn't keep up.

The "overall economy" has been improving over the past five years while Kansas has done the opposite. That ought to tell you something...

All depends what sectors are involved, the link provided above explains Kansas took a hit on energy and farming. Google South Dakota, their oil tax revenue is down 70%

That also shines a light on the central problem...you can't take a strictly unwavering ideological path that ignores the economic reality. There are times when it's better to raise taxes or increase spending and times when it's better to cut.

My state has taken big hits in the energy sector and now there is a republican legislature they want to implement Kansas' plan with a goal towards no income tax and only a consumption tax.

 

[velvtacheeze]

Already a thread on this and it ended badly for the left. Very badly thanks to some great links explainng the tax revenue lost

So you basically acted like Kevin Bacon's character at the end of Animal House then.

Find the thread and see for yourself. Oil and farm tax intake tanked, revenues were nowhere near anticipated. Taxes have to rise to cover it.

I'm not going to rely on some stupid comment thread on the internet over the actual news. Brownback promised prosperity and higher tax revenue, and it failed. End of debate.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Another Republican fail....and they still think this is going to work on a national level? My own state, which has significant budgetary problems and a new Republican majority is looking at the same sort of legislation

Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

Kansas lawmakers have voted to roll back a series of major tax cuts that became an example for conservative lawmakers around the country but didn't deliver the growth and prosperity promised by Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican.


A coalition of conservative Republicans, some of whom voted for sweeping tax cuts in 2012 or defended them in the years since, sided with moderates and Democrats to override Brownback's veto of a $1.2 billion tax increase.


The law to increase taxes over the next two years comes as legislators seek to close a projected $900 million budget gap for that same period and bolster funding for K-12 schools under a Kansas Supreme Court order.


"It's a huge vote," said state Rep. Steven Johnson, a Republican and chairman of the House tax panel, adding that legislative leadership had explored many routes to find a tax solution that would gain sufficient support in both chambers. "It's a huge vote for looking for an option for Kansas among limited options."


Floor debates on taxes ran late into Tuesday evening, but in the end, 27 senators and 88 representatives rendered Brownback's veto — which had been handed down just hours earlier — irrelevant.


Passage of the tax bill brings to an end signature tax policies of the Brownback administration. Most of those policies were part of a 2012 law that exempted owners of more than 300,000 small businesses and became a political flashpoint in recent elections.​

What the hell is wrong with you folks. Don't you think the overall American economy would have ANY affect on a city or state economy. How about some of you people explain to me how extremely well the American economy has been over the last 8 fricken years and the Kansas economy just couldn't keep up.

The "overall economy" has been improving over the past five years while Kansas has done the opposite. That ought to tell you something...

All depends what sectors are involved, the link provided above explains Kansas took a hit on energy and farming. Google South Dakota, their oil tax revenue is down 70%

That also shines a light on the central problem...you can't take a strictly unwavering ideological path that ignores the economic reality. There are times when it's better to raise taxes or increase spending and times when it's better to cut.

My state has taken big hits in the energy sector and now there is a republican legislature they want to implement Kansas' plan with a goal towards no income tax and only a consumption tax.

The point is the blame is being tried to be pinned on tax cuts and it's not true.

There has to be a balance of spending cuts and taxation. California is a prime example, they are on a fast track to insolvency unless they reel in spending. Its simple economics

 

[Coyote]

Another Republican fail....and they still think this is going to work on a national level? My own state, which has significant budgetary problems and a new Republican majority is looking at the same sort of legislation

Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

Kansas lawmakers have voted to roll back a series of major tax cuts that became an example for conservative lawmakers around the country but didn't deliver the growth and prosperity promised by Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican.


A coalition of conservative Republicans, some of whom voted for sweeping tax cuts in 2012 or defended them in the years since, sided with moderates and Democrats to override Brownback's veto of a $1.2 billion tax increase.


The law to increase taxes over the next two years comes as legislators seek to close a projected $900 million budget gap for that same period and bolster funding for K-12 schools under a Kansas Supreme Court order.


"It's a huge vote," said state Rep. Steven Johnson, a Republican and chairman of the House tax panel, adding that legislative leadership had explored many routes to find a tax solution that would gain sufficient support in both chambers. "It's a huge vote for looking for an option for Kansas among limited options."


Floor debates on taxes ran late into Tuesday evening, but in the end, 27 senators and 88 representatives rendered Brownback's veto — which had been handed down just hours earlier — irrelevant.


Passage of the tax bill brings to an end signature tax policies of the Brownback administration. Most of those policies were part of a 2012 law that exempted owners of more than 300,000 small businesses and became a political flashpoint in recent elections.​

What the hell is wrong with you folks. Don't you think the overall American economy would have ANY affect on a city or state economy. How about some of you people explain to me how extremely well the American economy has been over the last 8 fricken years and the Kansas economy just couldn't keep up.

The "overall economy" has been improving over the past five years while Kansas has done the opposite. That ought to tell you something...

All depends what sectors are involved, the link provided above explains Kansas took a hit on energy and farming. Google South Dakota, their oil tax revenue is down 70%

That also shines a light on the central problem...you can't take a strictly unwavering ideological path that ignores the economic reality. There are times when it's better to raise taxes or increase spending and times when it's better to cut.

My state has taken big hits in the energy sector and now there is a republican legislature they want to implement Kansas' plan with a goal towards no income tax and only a consumption tax.

The point is the blame is being tried to be pinned on tax cuts and it's not true.

There has to be a balance of spending cuts and taxation. California is a prime example, they are on a fast track to insolvency unless they reel in spending. Its simple economics

I agree, but I think that Kansas missed that balance.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

What the hell is wrong with you folks. Don't you think the overall American economy would have ANY affect on a city or state economy. How about some of you people explain to me how extremely well the American economy has been over the last 8 fricken years and the Kansas economy just couldn't keep up.

The "overall economy" has been improving over the past five years while Kansas has done the opposite. That ought to tell you something...

All depends what sectors are involved, the link provided above explains Kansas took a hit on energy and farming. Google South Dakota, their oil tax revenue is down 70%

That also shines a light on the central problem...you can't take a strictly unwavering ideological path that ignores the economic reality. There are times when it's better to raise taxes or increase spending and times when it's better to cut.

My state has taken big hits in the energy sector and now there is a republican legislature they want to implement Kansas' plan with a goal towards no income tax and only a consumption tax.

The point is the blame is being tried to be pinned on tax cuts and it's not true.

There has to be a balance of spending cuts and taxation. California is a prime example, they are on a fast track to insolvency unless they reel in spending. Its simple economics

I agree, but I think that Kansas missed that balance.

I'd be curious to know how much revenue was lost due to the fallout of energy and grain drops. I didn't see it in the link

 

[SassyIrishLass]

What the hell is wrong with you folks. Don't you think the overall American economy would have ANY affect on a city or state economy. How about some of you people explain to me how extremely well the American economy has been over the last 8 fricken years and the Kansas economy just couldn't keep up.

The "overall economy" has been improving over the past five years while Kansas has done the opposite. That ought to tell you something...

All depends what sectors are involved, the link provided above explains Kansas took a hit on energy and farming. Google South Dakota, their oil tax revenue is down 70%

That also shines a light on the central problem...you can't take a strictly unwavering ideological path that ignores the economic reality. There are times when it's better to raise taxes or increase spending and times when it's better to cut.

My state has taken big hits in the energy sector and now there is a republican legislature they want to implement Kansas' plan with a goal towards no income tax and only a consumption tax.

The point is the blame is being tried to be pinned on tax cuts and it's not true.

There has to be a balance of spending cuts and taxation. California is a prime example, they are on a fast track to insolvency unless they reel in spending. Its simple economics

I agree, but I think that Kansas missed that balance.

Why Tax Cuts Worked for Russia, But Not Kansas