Justices Alito and Kavanaugh Meet With Leader Of Anti-Gay Christian Hate Group

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Interesting how that is the all that you could come up with in response to my post. It does not speak well for you.

I'm normal and everything you say advertises that you are a degenerate pervert.

Yes "normal" Next you will tell us that you are a "stable genius" LOL

So I'm a degenerate pervert? Tell me. What exactly do you know about me that justifies that ? Before you answer, I caution you, be very careful. Slander is actionable.

Progressive. You support the gay agenda, the degenerate agenda. You don't deny it do you?

What is the gay agenda??

Pederasty and bug chasing.

Really? Pederasty? How do you know that? And what the fuck is bug chasing?

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

I'm normal and everything you say advertises that you are a degenerate pervert.

Yes "normal" Next you will tell us that you are a "stable genius" LOL

So I'm a degenerate pervert? Tell me. What exactly do you know about me that justifies that ? Before you answer, I caution you, be very careful. Slander is actionable.

Progressive. You support the gay agenda, the degenerate agenda. You don't deny it do you?

What is the gay agenda??

Pederasty and bug chasing.

Really? Pederasty? How do you know that? And what the fuck is bug chasing?

Don't play coy.
Fags are notorious pederasts and have been since...forever. Your sickness and foul behavior runs very deep and broad.

Pro homosexual groups continuously push for a reduction in the age of consent...for a very long time.

http://ccgaction.org/downloads/1972GayRightsPlatform.pdf

Looks like you shit eaters were pretty successful...yes you will get your wish of eternal kid fucking as well...in time.

 

[Jitss617]

So what should happen to them?

 

[Lysistrata]

It's okay to believe in "biblical" or "traditional" marriage, but this is not a valid basis for opposing same-sex marriage. No one is being ordered not to have a "biblical" or "traditional" marriage. Everyone is free to do so. Just leave alone others who want another type of marriage. The world has room for both.

Is the intent of those who oppose same-sex marriage to "save" the folks who are in one or want to be? The concept of "sin" applies only with respect to one's belief in what happens when one dies and, according to belief, is judged. This involves only the individual in question. It doesn't matter that you were in a "biblical" marriage and lived next door to two guys in a same-sex marriage and a guy on the other side who screwed a different woman every Saturday night while his sister was off scamming little old ladies out of their life savings. You are judged according to what you did as an individual.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Yes "normal" Next you will tell us that you are a "stable genius" LOL

So I'm a degenerate pervert? Tell me. What exactly do you know about me that justifies that ? Before you answer, I caution you, be very careful. Slander is actionable.

Progressive. You support the gay agenda, the degenerate agenda. You don't deny it do you?

What is the gay agenda??

Pederasty and bug chasing.

Really? Pederasty? How do you know that? And what the fuck is bug chasing?

Don't play coy.
Fags are notorious pederasts and have been since...forever. Your sickness and foul behavior runs very deep and broad.

Pro homosexual groups continuously push for a reduction in the age of consent...for a very long time.

http://ccgaction.org/downloads/1972GayRightsPlatform.pdf

Looks like you shit eaters were pretty successful...yes you will get your wish of eternal kid fucking as well...in time.

You're a liar or really stupid, Yourlink is some made up horseshit, Here is the real 1972 agenda. There is no mention of indoctrinating children

The 1972 Gay Rights Platform Platform created at the National Coalition of Gay Organizations Convention held in Chicago in 1972

Here is more or your ignorant bigoted ass to chew on:

Members of disliked minority groups are often stereotyped as representing a danger to the majority's most vulnerable members. For example, Jews in the Middle Ages were accused of murdering Christian babies in ritual sacrifices. Black men in the United States were often lynched after being falsely accused of raping White women. ]

In recent years, antigay activists have routinely asserted that gay people are child molesters. This argument was often made in debates about the Boy Scouts of America's policy to exclude gay scouts and scoutmasters. More recently, in the wake of Rep. Mark Foley's resignation from the US House of Representatives in 2006, antigay activists and their supporters seized on the scandal to revive this canard.

http://psc.dss.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

Selected Excerpts:

The number of Americans who believe the myth that gay people are child molesters has declined substantially. In a 1970 national survey, more than 70% of respondents agreed with the assertions that "Homosexuals are dangerous as teachers or youth leaders because they try to get sexually involved with children" or that "Homosexuals try to play sexually with children if they cannot get an adult partner."1

By contrast, in a 1999 national poll, the belief that most gay men are likely to molest or abuse children was endorsed by only 19% of heterosexual men and 10% of heterosexual women. Even fewer – 9% of men and 6% of women – regarded most lesbians as child molesters.

Apparently you're a part of the moronic minority( Yes a play on words lifted from the moral majority)

One problem is that none of the studies in this area have obtained data from a probability sample, that is, a sample that can be assumed to be representative of the population of all child molesters. Rather, most research has been conducted only with convicted perpetrators or with pedophiles who sought professional help. Consequently, they may not accurately describe child molesters who have never been caught or have not sought treatment.

A second problem is that the terminology used in this area is often confusing and can even be misleading. We can begin to address that problem by defining some basic terms.

Pedophilia and child molestation are used in different ways, even by professionals. Pedophilia usually refers to an adult psychological disorder characterized by a preference for prepubescent children as sexual partners; this preference may or may not be acted upon. The term hebephilia is sometimes used to describe adult sexual attractions to adolescents or children who have reached puberty.

Child molestation and child sexual abuse refer to actions, and don't imply a particular psychological makeup or motive on the part of the perpetrator. Not all incidents of child sexual abuse are perpetrated by pedophiles or hebephiles; in some cases, the perpetrator has other motives for his or her actions and does not manifest an ongoing pattern of sexual attraction to children.

Thus, not all child sexual abuse is perpetrated by pedophiles (or hebephiles) and not all pedophiles and hebephiles actually commit abuse. Consequently, it is important to use terminology carefully.

Hopefully, you are beginning to see that the issue is a bit more complicated than your small mind is able or willing to contemplate

Another problem related to terminology arises because sexual abuse of male children by adult men2 is often referred to as "homosexual molestation." The adjective "homosexual" (or "heterosexual" when a man abuses a female child) refers to the victim's gender in relation to that of the perpetrator. Unfortunately, people sometimes mistakenly interpret it as referring to the perpetrator's sexual orientation.

Now we are getting to the crux of the issue. Still with me, or are you watching porn and jerking off, rather than trying to learn something?

As an expert panel of researchers convened by the National Academy of Sciences noted in a 1993 report: "The distinction between homosexual and heterosexual child molesters relies on the premise that male molesters of male victims are homosexual in orientation. Most molesters of boys do not report sexual interest in adult men, however" (National Research Council, 1993, p. 143, citation omitted).

To avoid this confusion, it is preferable to refer to men's sexual abuse of boys with the more accurate label of male-male molestation. Similarly, it is preferable to refer to men's abuse of girls as male-female molestation. These labels are more accurate because they describe the sex of the individuals involved but don't implicitly convey unwarranted assumptions about the perpetrator's sexual orientation.

Tyologies of
Offenders The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Yes "normal" Next you will tell us that you are a "stable genius" LOL

So I'm a degenerate pervert? Tell me. What exactly do you know about me that justifies that ? Before you answer, I caution you, be very careful. Slander is actionable.

Progressive. You support the gay agenda, the degenerate agenda. You don't deny it do you?

What is the gay agenda??

Pederasty and bug chasing.

Really? Pederasty? How do you know that? And what the fuck is bug chasing?

Don't play coy.
Fags are notorious pederasts and have been since...forever. Your sickness and foul behavior runs very deep and broad.

Pro homosexual groups continuously push for a reduction in the age of consent...for a very long time.

http://ccgaction.org/downloads/1972GayRightsPlatform.pdf

Looks like you shit eaters were pretty successful...yes you will get your wish of eternal kid fucking as well...in time.

Holy fucking shit ! Do you realize that the link at the bottom of the garbage that you posted goes to the same site that I posted showing the real platform! Holy fucking shit on a shingle!!

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Progressive. You support the gay agenda, the degenerate agenda. You don't deny it do you?

What is the gay agenda??

Pederasty and bug chasing.

Really? Pederasty? How do you know that? And what the fuck is bug chasing?

Don't play coy.
Fags are notorious pederasts and have been since...forever. Your sickness and foul behavior runs very deep and broad.

Pro homosexual groups continuously push for a reduction in the age of consent...for a very long time.

http://ccgaction.org/downloads/1972GayRightsPlatform.pdf

Looks like you shit eaters were pretty successful...yes you will get your wish of eternal kid fucking as well...in time.

Holy fucking shit ! Do you realize that the link at the bottom of the garbage that you posted goes to the same site that I posted showing the real platform! Holy fucking shit on a shingle!!

Look at you...all in a lather over a few facts...get ahold of yourself man...do a popper...or whatever you heathens do to calm yourselves.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

What is the gay agenda??

Pederasty and bug chasing.

Really? Pederasty? How do you know that? And what the fuck is bug chasing?

Don't play coy.
Fags are notorious pederasts and have been since...forever. Your sickness and foul behavior runs very deep and broad.

Pro homosexual groups continuously push for a reduction in the age of consent...for a very long time.

http://ccgaction.org/downloads/1972GayRightsPlatform.pdf

Looks like you shit eaters were pretty successful...yes you will get your wish of eternal kid fucking as well...in time.

Holy fucking shit ! Do you realize that the link at the bottom of the garbage that you posted goes to the same site that I posted showing the real platform! Holy fucking shit on a shingle!!

Look at you...all in a lather over a few facts...get ahold of yourself man...do a popper...or whatever you heathens do to calm yourselves.

Facts matter Dude. You dishonestly or perhaps stupidly posted a doctored version of that 1972 platform, and idiotically included a link that proves that the stuff about children is a lie. Deal with it !

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Pederasty and bug chasing.

Really? Pederasty? How do you know that? And what the fuck is bug chasing?

Don't play coy.
Fags are notorious pederasts and have been since...forever. Your sickness and foul behavior runs very deep and broad.

Pro homosexual groups continuously push for a reduction in the age of consent...for a very long time.

http://ccgaction.org/downloads/1972GayRightsPlatform.pdf

Looks like you shit eaters were pretty successful...yes you will get your wish of eternal kid fucking as well...in time.

Holy fucking shit ! Do you realize that the link at the bottom of the garbage that you posted goes to the same site that I posted showing the real platform! Holy fucking shit on a shingle!!

Look at you...all in a lather over a few facts...get ahold of yourself man...do a popper...or whatever you heathens do to calm yourselves.

Facts matter Dude. You dishonestly or perhaps stupidly posted a doctored version of that 1972 platform, and idiotically included a link that proves that the stuff about children is a lie. Deal with it !

Bullshit twinkle toes. My version is legit and was linked form a source page. You need to stop with you homosexual agenda of lies and deceit! You should be ashamed of yourself promoting such vile filth.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Really? Pederasty? How do you know that? And what the fuck is bug chasing?

Don't play coy.
Fags are notorious pederasts and have been since...forever. Your sickness and foul behavior runs very deep and broad.

Pro homosexual groups continuously push for a reduction in the age of consent...for a very long time.

http://ccgaction.org/downloads/1972GayRightsPlatform.pdf

Looks like you shit eaters were pretty successful...yes you will get your wish of eternal kid fucking as well...in time.

Holy fucking shit ! Do you realize that the link at the bottom of the garbage that you posted goes to the same site that I posted showing the real platform! Holy fucking shit on a shingle!!

Look at you...all in a lather over a few facts...get ahold of yourself man...do a popper...or whatever you heathens do to calm yourselves.

Facts matter Dude. You dishonestly or perhaps stupidly posted a doctored version of that 1972 platform, and idiotically included a link that proves that the stuff about children is a lie. Deal with it !

Bullshit twinkle toes. My version is legit and was linked form a source page. You need to stop with you homosexual agenda of lies and deceit! You should be ashamed of yourself promoting such vile filth.

Then where is that link Bubba?


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[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Step 2: “Portray gays as victims, not as aggressive challengers.”
“ In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be cast as victims in need of protection,” Kirk and Madsen wrote. Of course this does not address the issue of whether the gay lifestyle is right or wrong. It is an attempt to emotionally manipulate others with the motive of getting them to accept values they otherwise wouldn’t agree with .

“ If gays are presented, instead, as a strong and prideful tribe promoting a rigidly nonconformist and deviant lifestyle, they are more likely to be seen as a public menace that justifies resistance and oppression. For that reason, we must forego the temptation to strut our ‘gay pride’ publicly when it conflicts with the Gay Victim image ,” they wrote.

The Gay Agenda Blueprint: A Plan to Transform America

Forever the victim...evil.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

“We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us."



7. Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent.
8. Repeal of all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number of persons entering into a marriage unit; and the extension of legal benefits to all persons who cohabit regardless of sex or numbers.

https://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09b/Redeeming_rainbow/chapters/Chapter-13.pdf

ANOTHER source...disgusting...just read that paragraph above? A Homosexual manifesto? Shame.

 

[Jitss617]

I don’t get the OP what do you suggest happen to them?

 

[luchitociencia]

I don't know much about the political view of this topic but I know some biology and this knowledge I can apply to what I see in our society.

A community in this case, when is about living as society, the members must have the same interest for living together sharing the same principles, even when the principles might be "diverse" they must be in accord, in agreement.

We have the Amish community, people who live a kind apart but shares with other communities and every body lives in peace.

Religious people, like the Pilgrims, decided to move apart and traveled and created their own "community".

In the US, several religious groups wish to have their own community, this is to say, a place apart where all the members will share the same principles.

But, in one opportunity I asked to a homosexual why they don't look for having their own place and live together all of them, homosexuals, lesbians, the so called transgender, etc. This individual's face turned red and he called me names, and his reaction was very aggressive.

This event called me to investigate by my own a little more about this issue. Watching videos of communities from other species, I found out that those communities or colonies are formed by groups which have the same interest, like we humans do.

However, inside these communities, there were certain percent of other species which were together with the rest but were dependent of the others, and even more, these were even causing harm to the members of that society. In biology these are called "parasites".

Communities of people can live by their own and keep looking toward the future, they can increase their number without the need of receiving others from outside.

On the other hand, parasites need of a community and take advantage of it in order to survive.

I know my revision can be taken as "offensive" by many, but I am comparing human communities with other species communities. And in this revision I have found out that LGTB is not a community, they fit better as the parasites of the videos, like it happens with other species.

Please, do not think I'm insulting others, because in science there is not such a thing as feelings, moral, etc. In science is observation, analysis, review, tests, etc.

Then, I could ask for a test to prove my hypothesis, which might be giving all the necessary means to a large group of religious people to live apart forming a community in a certain area.

Same as well, giving the same necessary means to a large number of LGTB members to live as well a community in a separate area.

And later not to intervene under any circumstance with their lives, and check the results, lets say, after 10 years.

Communities survive because they have the same interest, same principles, same goals.

It should be very interesting and helpful if my experiment comes to be a reality. The expectation is how well those two communities will work by their own to survive satisfactorily for ten years.

It should be also a great opportunity for LGTB to prove they are indeed a "community", because I still have doubts about it.

 

[beautress]

While all Justices and Judges, indeed all people have their biases, this strikes me as different and disturbing. Justices will typically make an honest attempt to balance their ideology with a sound application of the law and the constitution, even when that ideology shapes their perception and interpretation of the law

This however shows a blatant intent and desire to bend the law to the detriment of the LGTB community. I have to wonder why they hell they were there-rubbing elbows with vicious bigots - and engaged in such a public display of support for their hatful agenda.

Yes I know, Ruth Bader Ginsburg presided over same sex wedding so don't bother in invoke that. She was performing a public service in her capacity as a Justice. Again, this is different . there was no need for it, it demeans the court and undermines any semblance of impartiality

Justices Alito and Kavanaugh Meet With Leader Of Anti-Gay Christian Hate Group

After a photo emerged of Kavanaugh and Alito meeting with Brian Brown, the president of the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) and the World Congress of Families, a Christian hate group, the justices are being asked to recuse themselves from LGBT rights cases

These people and organization are an anachronism that has outlived their uselessness

NOM advocates for what they claim is “traditional marriage,” and hope to take marriage rights away from same sex couples. The group’s president is Brian Brown, who boasted of a “great day at the US Supreme Court” when posting the contentious photo to his Twitter account on October 29.

Here is more

World Congress of Families | Right Wing Watch

The World Congress of Families mobilizes opposition to reproductive rights, LGBTQ equality, feminism and “gender ideology” in the name of the “natural family.” Participants in its global summits and regional gatherings share information and political strategies for mobilizing conservative culture warriors around the globe. WCF leaders are allied with right-wing authoritarian and nationalist leaders who promote “traditional values.”

National Organization for Marriage | Right Wing Watch

The National Organization for Marriage was launched in 2007 by Princeton University professor Robert P. George and conservative writer Maggie Gallagher to fight for Proposition 8, California’s ballot initiative banning gay marriage. It is currently led by Brian Brown, previously of the Family Institute of Connecticut. Especially under Brown’s leadership, NOM has expanded its mission beyond fighting marriage equality, working in opposition to LGBT rights abroad, transgender rights, nondiscrimination laws and adoption by same-sex couples. The Washington, D.C.-based group organizes the annual “March for Marriage” on the National Mall and coordinates an issue pledge for presidential candidates.

A lot of the people in the LGBT are in a hate group too. They hate their parents who object to their lifestyle.

 

[beautress]

I don't know much about the political view of this topic but I know some biology and this knowledge I can apply to what I see in our society.

A community in this case, when is about living as society, the members must have the same interest for living together sharing the same principles, even when the principles might be "diverse" they must be in accord, in agreement.

We have the Amish community, people who live a kind apart but shares with other communities and every body lives in peace.

Religious people, like the Pilgrims, decided to move apart and traveled and created their own "community".

In the US, several religious groups wish to have their own community, this is to say, a place apart where all the members will share the same principles.

But, in one opportunity I asked to a homosexual why they don't look for having their own place and live together all of them, homosexuals, lesbians, the so called transgender, etc. This individual's face turned red and he called me names, and his reaction was very aggressive.

This event called me to investigate by my own a little more about this issue. Watching videos of communities from other species, I found out that those communities or colonies are formed by groups which have the same interest, like we humans do.

However, inside these communities, there were certain percent of other species which were together with the rest but were dependent of the others, and even more, these were even causing harm to the members of that society. In biology these are called "parasites".

Communities of people can live by their own and keep looking toward the future, they can increase their number without the need of receiving others from outside.

On the other hand, parasites need of a community and take advantage of it in order to survive.

I know my revision can be taken as "offensive" by many, but I am comparing human communities with other species communities. And in this revision I have found out that LGTB is not a community, they fit better as the parasites of the videos, like it happens with other species.

Please, do not think I'm insulting others, because in science there is not such a thing as feelings, moral, etc. In science is observation, analysis, review, tests, etc.

Then, I could ask for a test to prove my hypothesis, which might be giving all the necessary means to a large group of religious people to live apart forming a community in a certain area.

Same as well, giving the same necessary means to a large number of LGTB members to live as well a community in a separate area.

And later not to intervene under any circumstance with their lives, and check the results, lets say, after 10 years.

Communities survive because they have the same interest, same principles, same goals.

It should be very interesting and helpful if my experiment comes to be a reality. The expectation is how well those two communities will work by their own to survive satisfactorily for ten years.

It should be also a great opportunity for LGTB to prove they are indeed a "community", because I still have doubts about it.

Some human beings are born with both vagina and a penis. Australian researchers found that 1.7% of births have children with both male and female sex organs. That means for every 100,000 people, almost 2 thousand people are already intersex persons who don't understand why their doctors make a big fuss over their bodies, and surgeries used to be performed without telling the child who grows up confused why she identifies with men, or vice-versa.

I don't think I would call someone born with intersex organs should be automatically considered a parasite. Many of them just don't marry and try to get by as best they can alone, to avoid embarassment in school showers, or are humiliated by male coaches and other guys if they seem more male than female, but are lumped into the category of being "effeminate." And there are varying degrees of differences in this community of being born this way. Who's to say brain wiring is any different? We cannot see brain wiring, so it is less obvious than external organ development. My studies in human health gave me a different view, and I am perplexed why some people fall prey to favoring their own sex, because it has recently come tomy attention that some "normal" people become "gay" after the age of accountability due to being raped by a same-sex person, and they become convinced they must be gay on account of that incident. Some schools of thought think a rape can change the way a man thinks about himself, and the "rewiring" takes place during or after puberty, to the shock of his or her parents who saw their children dating opposite sex people, then suddenly withdraw and become fond of their same-sex friends. Back in the seventies, there were actually people whose jobs were to act in the behalf of parents to get their children back to a "normal" sexual identity. Their results were mixed for restoring a sexual identity consistent with their outer bodies that seemed completely normal. I haven't read recently on much study in this area, but medical people are reluctant to intervene due to lawsuits by dissatisfied parents or individuals who are comfortable with their bisexual nature.

I think the jury's out on this topic, and I have no idea except to know that both parents and the child affected suffer humility based on the mores of post WWII when guys came back angry that another guy approached them for sex on duty, and are in serious need of counselling, because they were offended to the point of impotence by their unpleasant experience.

Don't ask and don't tell seem a rather generous approach for all concerned, but parents could help their child if they knew their child was borderline, to teach him how they wanted him or her to be. That, too, could become a can of worms. It seems to me we just can't win whatever we decide to do about the situation in a family. Some men become impotent when they find out their grown son decided to marry a man. It creates hell inside a family in some instances, and much angst. Some families are at peace with a child's decision, others are totally ripped apart. I don't know that there's an answer for every person entangled in the web of strong feelings pro and con.

Within a single sex, whether male or female, some are so drawn so strongly to the opposite sex that they cannot have a relationship with just one person. Others are totally satisfied to have just one person as their mate for life. And others yet, while attracted to outside affairs don't engage in them out of respect for their spouse who doesn't deserve to have an STD if outside relationships result in that divorce-causing issue. It could be that the reason behind the bible's 2 commandments on sexuality--"thou shalt not commit adultery" and "thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife or anything that he has" make most people think better of staying true to one person for life. Others, eh, just stay away from churches so they can engage in private practices away from the scrutiny of friend or spouse. That only works if the spouse does not wind up with a extra-marital disease they did nothing to deserve, since it was brought home by the straying partner.

Throughout the ages, the Commandments seem to bring people to their senses if they believe fidelity is the right thing to do, and it causes them to keep their part of the marriage vows.

Experimentalism can cause lifelong pain later on. And people who despise religion are basically throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

It's all a choice in America. It's a death penalty for a wife to stray in some countries. And in biblical times, it was a death penalty for both participants in out-of-wedlock experimentation in some societies, and a so-what in other cultures. Go figure! With all our freedoms, we have a dismal success rate in issues related to faithfulness to the partner. It was a shock for some of us to live through the Clinton years, a preparation for future indignities, except in families so strongly religious their marriages are chosen by parents, unless the person, once married, strongly objects to their partner's infidelities and bringing home sterility-causing STDs.

I'd call it the nightmare of freedom to choose to destroy one's spouse's life, career, social standing, and brings shame to some, strong anger to others to the point of seeking revenge for life against the opposite sex. Others forgive but don't forget. Some have to be placed into lifelong therapy after being dumped by a spouse or partner. Others tough it out but never share love again with the offender, which confuses him after he apologizes and expects forgiveness but doesn't get it for more than ten years. Others off themselves or their spouse rather than facing separation. Some kill spouse and kids on account of an affair that they feel should not have happened or didn't like the outcome of the spouse's behavior afterward. Others get their family to kill the spouse and extends the guilt feelings outside the immediate family. Surviving children blame the surviving spouse in the event the other committed suicide. Or are led to believe the survivor did no wrong whatever, which is true in most cases, but not all. And kids may not pay attention to the truth until they are close to death and realize the person they felt responsible wasn't. Or not.

I think blaming religion is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but that's just my opinion after living a long life with every effort made to do the right thing, and understanding the hatred people have if anyone bothers to tell them they're making a mistake by soliciting trouble in sexual matters. Often the person who does the right thing as best he or she knows is right, is ostracized by people who think doing the right thing is a corny way to live and despise do-gooders from the medulla oblongata to the cerebellum.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Step 2: “Portray gays as victims, not as aggressive challengers.”
“ In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be cast as victims in need of protection,” Kirk and Madsen wrote. Of course this does not address the issue of whether the gay lifestyle is right or wrong. It is an attempt to emotionally manipulate others with the motive of getting them to accept values they otherwise wouldn’t agree with .

“ If gays are presented, instead, as a strong and prideful tribe promoting a rigidly nonconformist and deviant lifestyle, they are more likely to be seen as a public menace that justifies resistance and oppression. For that reason, we must forego the temptation to strut our ‘gay pride’ publicly when it conflicts with the Gay Victim image ,” they wrote.

The Gay Agenda Blueprint: A Plan to Transform America

Forever the victim...evil.

So?? Nothing there about Children, as you alleged

 

[luchitociencia]

I don't know much about the political view of this topic but I know some biology and this knowledge I can apply to what I see in our society.

A community in this case, when is about living as society, the members must have the same interest for living together sharing the same principles, even when the principles might be "diverse" they must be in accord, in agreement.

We have the Amish community, people who live a kind apart but shares with other communities and every body lives in peace.

Religious people, like the Pilgrims, decided to move apart and traveled and created their own "community".

In the US, several religious groups wish to have their own community, this is to say, a place apart where all the members will share the same principles.

But, in one opportunity I asked to a homosexual why they don't look for having their own place and live together all of them, homosexuals, lesbians, the so called transgender, etc. This individual's face turned red and he called me names, and his reaction was very aggressive.

This event called me to investigate by my own a little more about this issue. Watching videos of communities from other species, I found out that those communities or colonies are formed by groups which have the same interest, like we humans do.

However, inside these communities, there were certain percent of other species which were together with the rest but were dependent of the others, and even more, these were even causing harm to the members of that society. In biology these are called "parasites".

Communities of people can live by their own and keep looking toward the future, they can increase their number without the need of receiving others from outside.

On the other hand, parasites need of a community and take advantage of it in order to survive.

I know my revision can be taken as "offensive" by many, but I am comparing human communities with other species communities. And in this revision I have found out that LGTB is not a community, they fit better as the parasites of the videos, like it happens with other species.

Please, do not think I'm insulting others, because in science there is not such a thing as feelings, moral, etc. In science is observation, analysis, review, tests, etc.

Then, I could ask for a test to prove my hypothesis, which might be giving all the necessary means to a large group of religious people to live apart forming a community in a certain area.

Same as well, giving the same necessary means to a large number of LGTB members to live as well a community in a separate area.

And later not to intervene under any circumstance with their lives, and check the results, lets say, after 10 years.

Communities survive because they have the same interest, same principles, same goals.

It should be very interesting and helpful if my experiment comes to be a reality. The expectation is how well those two communities will work by their own to survive satisfactorily for ten years.

It should be also a great opportunity for LGTB to prove they are indeed a "community", because I still have doubts about it.

Some human beings are born with both vagina and a penis. Australian researchers found that 1.7% of births have children with both male and female sex organs. That means for every 100,000 people, almost 2 thousand people are already intersex persons who don't understand why their doctors make a big fuss over their bodies, and surgeries used to be performed without telling the child who grows up confused why she identifies with men, or vice-versa.

I don't think I would call someone born with intersex organs should be automatically considered a parasite. Many of them just don't marry and try to get by as best they can alone, to avoid embarassment in school showers, or are humiliated by male coaches and other guys if they seem more male than female, but are lumped into the category of being "effeminate." And there are varying degrees of differences in this community of being born this way. Who's to say brain wiring is any different? We cannot see brain wiring, so it is less obvious than external organ development. My studies in human health gave me a different view, and I am perplexed why some people fall prey to favoring their own sex, because it has recently come tomy attention that some "normal" people become "gay" after the age of accountability due to being raped by a same-sex person, and they become convinced they must be gay on account of that incident. Some schools of thought think a rape can change the way a man thinks about himself, and the "rewiring" takes place during or after puberty, to the shock of his or her parents who saw their children dating opposite sex people, then suddenly withdraw and become fond of their same-sex friends. Back in the seventies, there were actually people whose jobs were to act in the behalf of parents to get their children back to a "normal" sexual identity. Their results were mixed for restoring a sexual identity consistent with their outer bodies that seemed completely normal. I haven't read recently on much study in this area, but medical people are reluctant to intervene due to lawsuits by dissatisfied parents or individuals who are comfortable with their bisexual nature.

I think the jury's out on this topic, and I have no idea except to know that both parents and the child affected suffer humility based on the mores of post WWII when guys came back angry that another guy approached them for sex on duty, and are in serious need of counselling, because they were offended to the point of impotence by their unpleasant experience.

Don't ask and don't tell seem a rather generous approach for all concerned, but parents could help their child if they knew their child was borderline, to teach him how they wanted him or her to be. That, too, could become a can of worms. It seems to me we just can't win whatever we decide to do about the situation in a family. Some men become impotent when they find out their grown son decided to marry a man. It creates hell inside a family in some instances, and much angst. Some families are at peace with a child's decision, others are totally ripped apart. I don't know that there's an answer for every person entangled in the web of strong feelings pro and con.

Within a single sex, whether male or female, some are so drawn so strongly to the opposite sex that they cannot have a relationship with just one person. Others are totally satisfied to have just one person as their mate for life. And others yet, while attracted to outside affairs don't engage in them out of respect for their spouse who doesn't deserve to have an STD if outside relationships result in that divorce-causing issue. It could be that the reason behind the bible's 2 commandments on sexuality--"thou shalt not commit adultery" and "thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife or anything that he has" make most people think better of staying true to one person for life. Others, eh, just stay away from churches so they can engage in private practices away from the scrutiny of friend or spouse. That only works if the spouse does not wind up with a extra-marital disease they did nothing to deserve, since it was brought home by the straying partner.

Throughout the ages, the Commandments seem to bring people to their senses if they believe fidelity is the right thing to do, and it causes them to keep their part of the marriage vows.

Experimentalism can cause lifelong pain later on. And people who despise religion are basically throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

It's all a choice in America. It's a death penalty for a wife to stray in some countries. And in biblical times, it was a death penalty for both participants in out-of-wedlock experimentation in some societies, and a so-what in other cultures. Go figure! With all our freedoms, we have a dismal success rate in issues related to faithfulness to the partner. It was a shock for some of us to live through the Clinton years, a preparation for future indignities, except in families so strongly religious their marriages are chosen by parents, unless the person, once married, strongly objects to their partner's infidelities and bringing home sterility-causing STDs.

I'd call it the nightmare of freedom to choose to destroy one's spouse's life, career, social standing, and brings shame to some, strong anger to others to the point of seeking revenge for life against the opposite sex. Others forgive but don't forget. Some have to be placed into lifelong therapy after being dumped by a spouse or partner. Others tough it out but never share love again with the offender, which confuses him after he apologizes and expects forgiveness but doesn't get it for more than ten years. Others off themselves or their spouse rather than facing separation. Some kill spouse and kids on account of an affair that they feel should not have happened or didn't like the outcome of the spouse's behavior afterward. Others get their family to kill the spouse and extends the guilt feelings outside the immediate family. Surviving children blame the surviving spouse in the event the other committed suicide. Or are led to believe the survivor did no wrong whatever, which is true in most cases, but not all. And kids may not pay attention to the truth until they are close to death and realize the person they felt responsible wasn't. Or not.

I think blaming religion is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but that's just my opinion after living a long life with every effort made to do the right thing, and understanding the hatred people have if anyone bothers to tell them they're making a mistake by soliciting trouble in sexual matters. Often the person who does the right thing as best he or she knows is right, is ostracized by people who think doing the right thing is a corny way to live and despise do-gooders from the medulla oblongata to the cerebellum.

Do me a favor, not necessarily the link but the name of the study showing that "average"of 2000 from 100000 children born with two sexes.

I am curious to know where such phenomena is happening. I might start a study of the environment in that zone.

You know, this is not about the phenomenon itself but also to find out the cause.

 

[justinacolmena]

These people and organization are an anachronism that has outlived their uselessness

National Organization for Marriage? Haven't we heard of them before? Well, well, well, if it isn't the same old National Organization for Women showing up for church on Sunday in their wedding dresses and best of finery after a Saturday night abortion. Don't they look pretty cozying up to the newly appointed judges like that?

 

[Lysistrata]

It is so odd that this "National Organization for Marriage" is not for marriage. I'm all in for marriage that is a true marriage. Take him or her by the hand and love her or him more than you love your own self.