Just another day in America. Guns keeping people safe... 8 dead... the dead can't be killed, therefore they're safe.

[Auld Phart]

Um, sure. Let me know when you are ready to have a theological argument about whether or not Joseph Smith was talking to God.
Since you haven't converted, then you don't believe he was any more than I do.

Do you have a similar list for Catholics? Protestant? Baptists? Other religions?

The stain on your brain must be excruciating.

take 2, and ease the pressure

 

[1srelluc]

Because issues are complex. It's not as simple as looking at ONE STATISTIC and saying "oh, this means that".
The thing is that most people, 95% at the very least want simple answers to complex problems, and with their simple answers they'll declare themselves geniuses for having been told to think that.

What crimes do people use guns to commit? (What's that for grammar?)
Generally I'd say there are crimes like theft, robbery etc, the taking of something from someone is much, MUCH easier with a gun. Rape would also come in this, it is "taking something", ie, sex.
There's anger issues, people get angry, they solve the problem by being all macho and pulling out a gun. Drug crimes with guns might fall into this. Though it might also fall into the category of get one over on your opponents, a team sport, gang violence etc.
Clearly there's murder, though how many murders are planned in the first place, and how many happen in the course of one of the previous I don't know.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF

"According to the Victim Survey (NCVS), 25% of the victims of rape and sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated assault in 1993 faced an offender armed with a handgun. Of all firearm-related crime reported to the survey, 86% involved handguns."

Rape, sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault. The main uses for guns, perhaps, details are vague, obviously as there isn't a concise recording of such things.

Who commits such crimes? Robbery is mostly a low income crime. Drugs are often pushed by people from lower income groups, lower education groups. A lot of this has to do with poverty.

Who's going to use a gun? Or who's going to commit a crime? Someone who has less to lose. A dude who earns $1 million a year is much, much less likely to commit such crimes. They have more to lose.
So, you have an area with lots of guns, but lots of people with lots to lose, you're going to have less gun violence than an area with less guns, but with lots of people with less to lose, with more to gain from crime.

However guns sometimes are used impulsively.

Here's some facts.
The UK has very strict gun laws. Some criminals have guns, but handguns aren't easy to get.

Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in United Kingdom, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and development

www.gunpolicy.org

Gun homicides in the UK 0.02 in 2015

Germany, a safe country, but with rather more relaxed gun laws. 4.96 guns per 100 in the UK, 30.95 guns per 100 people in Germany.

Gun homicides in Germany 0.06 in 2015, or three times higher.

In Switzerland, the poster boy for all gun lovers, up to 41 guns per 100 people in civilian hands, plus some as their system is a little different and many people are militia member with guns (under strict conditions).

Gun homicides in Switzerland 0.09 in 2019. (0.22 in 2015, so you can see it fluctuates a bit, it was higher in the early 2000s)

So, more guns here does mean more gun homicides.

However, Switzerland's homicide rate is 0.5 per 100,000 people, the UK's is 1.12. Clearly guns are having an impact. Switzerland has more gun murders, 4.5 times more than the UK, and yet has half the murder rate.

People with access to guns will use guns when they want to do something. A gun makes a person much more powerful.

So why does the US have a MUCH, MUCH higher rate than this? Easy access to guns. Germany and Switzerland have guns, but access for criminals is much less. Which means a gun is more precious. In the US a criminal with a gun might use it in a crime and abandon it when chased by the police.

In Europe they're less likely to use it in a crime, for fear of losing it. Less likely to throwing it away as it's much harder to replace.

Yes, some people can use guns to stop crime. However the US, in spite of such a thing, has a higher murder rate (by 5 times) than the UK, it still has high rates of crime.
Alaska with LOADS OF GUNS has the HIGHEST rape rate. Surely these women can use their guns to stop this rape. Whereas NY has one of the lowest, lots of women without guns..... not able to protect themselves from the hoards wanting to rape them.

And that tripe, ladies and gentleman, is what mental masturbation looks like....And it isn't pretty.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And that tripe, ladies and gentleman, is what mental masturbation looks like....And it isn't pretty.

What a waste of my fucking time

Welcome to the ignore list.

 

[westwall]

What a waste of my fucking time

Welcome to the ignore list.

Ignore me too please!

 

[2aguy]

He did nothing of the sort. in fact, he repeated the study in other cities and found pretty much the same results. Which is what you would expect to find.

If 2/3rds of gun deaths are suicides and 50% of gun homicides are domestic violence, then OF COURSE the vast majority of gun deaths are going to be the gun you find in the house.

The FBI has found that out of the 43,000 gun deaths we have every year, only 200 or so are justified self-defense by civilians. So if anything, the 43-1 figure is probably conservative.

You lie and lie....troll.

 

[2aguy]

Okay. War sucks. People die. It's been addressed.

Guns don't prevent wars from sucking.

I notice the one point you refuse to address is when the American Government was rounding up Japanese Americans, not one person with a gun in the US rushed out to stop this massive violation of human rights.

Any more than one German with a gun rushed out to stop the Nazis from rounding up the Jews.

because- PEOPLE WON'T PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE FOR STRANGERS. Whether or not they have guns or not.

Frankly, I see the police kicking down your door, I'm going to assume they have a darned good reason.

 

[1srelluc]

What a waste of my fucking time

Welcome to the ignore list.

 

[2aguy]

Okay. War sucks. People die. It's been addressed.

Guns don't prevent wars from sucking.

I notice the one point you refuse to address is when the American Government was rounding up Japanese Americans, not one person with a gun in the US rushed out to stop this massive violation of human rights.

Any more than one German with a gun rushed out to stop the Nazis from rounding up the Jews.

because- PEOPLE WON'T PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE FOR STRANGERS. Whether or not they have guns or not.

Frankly, I see the police kicking down your door, I'm going to assume they have a darned good reason.

Moron. The 15 million were not casualties of the war. They were civilians rounded up and murdered in forests and death camps by the socialists.

Switzerland didn't have a Holocaust.......the rest of Europe did....

 

[2aguy]

He did nothing of the sort. in fact, he repeated the study in other cities and found pretty much the same results. Which is what you would expect to find.

If 2/3rds of gun deaths are suicides and 50% of gun homicides are domestic violence, then OF COURSE the vast majority of gun deaths are going to be the gun you find in the house.

The FBI has found that out of the 43,000 gun deaths we have every year, only 200 or so are justified self-defense by civilians. So if anything, the 43-1 figure is probably conservative.

And you know that most gun self defense means the criminals see the gun in the hands of the victim and run away...only around 200 are really stupid and press the attack to the point they are shot and killed by the victim....you moron.....

 

[Penelope]

They must be white.

AMormon family – including five children – were found shot dead inside of their rural Utah home by the family patriarch on Tuesday. The children's father then turned the gun on himself.

The bodies of Michael, 42, and Tausha Haight, 40, their five children and Tausha's mother, Gail, 78, were found on Wednesday in the town of Enoch with gunshot wounds.

The children were only identified as three daughters, aged 17, 12, and 7, and two sons, aged 7 and 4 years old. Police had been called to their home to perform a welfare check by other family members.

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[miketx]

AMormon family – including five children – were found shot dead inside of their rural Utah home by the family patriarch on Tuesday. The children's father then turned the gun on himself.

The bodies of Michael, 42, and Tausha Haight, 40, their five children and Tausha's mother, Gail, 78, were found on Wednesday in the town of Enoch with gunshot wounds.

The children were only identified as three daughters, aged 17, 12, and 7, and two sons, aged 7 and 4 years old. Police had been called to their home to perform a welfare check by other family members.

MSN

www.msn.com

Makes you deliriously happy.

 

[Vastator]

I feel bad for what these kids had to go through...

What we know about the family killed in Enoch murder-suicide

Investigators are giving more context as to what may have been unfolding inside the home leading up to the act of violence that has shaken the entire community.

www.google.com

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

All the lying is on you traitor.

Guns aren’t going to be ‘banned,’ guns are going to be ‘confiscated.’

But the dishonest right will continue to propagate these lies regardless while doing nothing to address the problem.

 

[miketx]

You can always tell when a gun massacre has happened when 2AGuy shows up with this NRA Spooge.

No such thing as a gun massacre liar.

 

[miketx]

Guns aren’t going to be ‘banned,’ guns are going to be ‘confiscated.’

But the dishonest right will continue to propagate these lies regardless while doing nothing to address the problem.

Come get them commie. Be there.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Yeah, just like a good guy with a gun will be able to defend himself a lot easier against someone with a baseball bat. You aren't too bright.

‘Good guy with a gun’ is a myth:

‘…the gun rights ideologue argues [that] the responsibility for public safety falls in the hands of individuals: the “good guy with a gun.” If well-intentioned armed individuals are everywhere, then they can gun down evildoers in the act. Armed citizens supplement the police — and, in some life-and-death situations, replace them entirely.

The research on this theory is not promising. Concealed carry laws do not appear to significantly reduce homicides or other violent crimes; placing armed guards in schools does not protect them from mass shootings. In fact, one study found that schools with armed guards were more likely to have a higher death toll during a mass shooting.’

A child can’t be a "good guy with a gun"

How a gun rights myth paved the way for nightmares like Uvalde.

www.vox.com

 

[miketx]

‘Good guy with a gun’ is a myth:

‘…the gun rights ideologue argues [that] the responsibility for public safety falls in the hands of individuals: the “good guy with a gun.” If well-intentioned armed individuals are everywhere, then they can gun down evildoers in the act. Armed citizens supplement the police — and, in some life-and-death situations, replace them entirely.

The research on this theory is not promising. Concealed carry laws do not appear to significantly reduce homicides or other violent crimes; placing armed guards in schools does not protect them from mass shootings. In fact, one study found that schools with armed guards were more likely to have a higher death toll during a mass shooting.’

A child can’t be a "good guy with a gun"

How a gun rights myth paved the way for nightmares like Uvalde.

www.vox.com

You howler monkeys are tiresome with your lies.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You are now forever trapped in a classic paradox, from which you will never escape.

It’s a lie and you’re a liar – as are most on the right.

 

[Vastator]

Lots of moving parts with this story. The least of which is the "guns" aspect...

 

[Penelope]

Makes you deliriously happy.

I despise a man killing his family or anybody else.