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Cases that would make it to trial. ONLY 2% actually go to trial. Which was the very obvious, unhidden point I was making, no one goes to trial anymore. I can’t help it if you don’t understand how courts work. Whatever, don’t cast cast pearls before swine. Ignored.LOLOLNope. Just pointing out how little you know...or how you pretend to know so little, and you have to pretend to be stupid to win an argument for your ego, even though you’re losing it in real life.That's a lot of words to avoid saying you were wrong.The remainder of cases that actually would make it to trial. Most of that 8% is people snitching. Notice the 2% that actually go to trial.....that’s the important number in what’s being discussed. The whole point is that everyone, including innocent people, are afraid to go take their case to trial for the exact reasons I mentioned. But somehow my ability to do math, and understand the difference between cases being dropped, or snitches, vs cases that’d actually go through the court process, makes me the deranged one??? I’m not the one arguing silly semantics I dont understand, while posting something that actually proves the point to the opposition, that is the fact that only 2% go to trial.LOLOh I suppose they just talk about the weather then.And nothing you've posted corroborates your bullshit about 97% of cases being resolved with guilty pleas.So you're making up more shit ... it was no one's ever been charged with violating the Logan Act -- 2 were. The Presidential Transitions Act ofJesus, google is a thing, type in 97% plead guilty. The same lazy reasons y’all keep asking me to post shit, is the same reason y’all say factually incorrect shit and shift goal posts faster than Mario.Do you mind sharing the 97% plead guilty. Link?Over 97% of criminal court cases are guilty pleas. Have you not watched any Netflix doc about how bad our system is with guilty pleas? Here’s how it works, the prosecution comes after you hard, often tacks on charges they know will never work. Then they tell you the judge will throw the book at you, maximum sentences all around if you decide to take it to trial, which yes judges will do that often. Then they offer you a guilty plea, and our system is 97% of lawyers negotiating the guilty pleas.Flynn didn't want to take it??? He took it 3 times.Just because you say nah, doesn’t make it true. They went to Barr because...wait for it...he’s the attorney general. Ok, I’ll give you minute to let your jaw hit the floor and another to pick it back up off the floor after that shocking news about Barr. Flynn only took the plea, he didn’t want to take in the first place, and fired his original legal team over, because the SCO threatened to go after his son if he didn’t. And no Flynn was not a traitor, he did not what most intelligence officers do when they’re out of government, they start intelligence firms. There’s 100s of them out there. His firm worked with a NATO ally in Turkey, gasp*, I know, the gall of him. Notice how SCO never came after him for his “traitorous” endeavors? Because there wasn’t any. That’s why they came after him for a perfectly legal phone call. He wasn’t the target either, trump was.Nah! If SCO initiated it why Barr get involved? Happened to be a close friend of Trump.Barr wasn’t the one who initiated the drop. Muellers SCO prosecutors are the one who decided to drop. The very same one who brought up the charges in the first place. Sullivan broke his own rules to try to suppress the evidence that lead to the SCO deciding to drop charges. Now he’s making up powers for himself like the ability to prosecute, judges can’t do that. He wants to prosecute Flynn with perjury for withdrawing his guilty plea, which is completely unheard of. He’s so bad an appellate court gave him 10 days to explain himself. Appellate courts never respond that quickly. Sullivan is a political hack.If Sullivan just willy nilly agrees with Barr then he is part of the corruption. I admired Sullivan for standing up against Barr. Barr dropping the case doesn’t make Flynn innocent or free from any wrong doing.The SCO decided to drop after the Brady evidence came out. As in Muellers SCO. They then went to Barr, and Barr agreed with them to drop it. The only person who wants it to continue is Sullivan.That was said by Mueller investigation. So ask Mueller.CHARGE HIM WITH WHAT?????So go back and read from the start where Mueller started and ended and when mueller said he couldn’t charge a sitting president.
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It doesn’t matter what how these are twisted. It doesn’t look good and it doesn’t sound good.
Flynn is a traitor to begin with even he became part of this administration. Pleaded guilty twice under oath. Now Flynn wants to withdraw his guilty plea?? Now he is innocent????
That is not acceptable. Crooked Barr is also involved with Stone case.
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In Flynn’s case, they threatened to go after his son. Obviously they had nothing on his son or else they would’ve went after a conviction there, and offered to lighten the sentence if Flynn cooperated. This is how prosecutions just work, especially when you’re trying to turn someone. The full force of the federal government on top of a young man, even though they did nothing wrong, is a huge fucking ordeal for that person financially, socially, and emotionally. This is why Flynn, who was almost made bankrupt himself, decided to take the plea to spare his son. That and the fact his original legal team was god awful, and have serious ethical questions they should answer for, like convincing Flynn to sign a paper waiving any exculpatory evidence that may later come out. That should’ve set off loud, ear piercing, wake up Helen Keller from a dead sleep, alarm bells for his original legal team. Obviously the move to fire them and hire the shark he currently has payed off dividends. The SCO decided to drop its own case they just wouldn’t let go of.
First article that popped up. It took 3 seconds.
Are Innocent People Pleading Guilty? A New Report Says Yes
Are innocent people pleading guilty to crimes they did not commit? A new report from NACDL shows a troubling trend with plea agreements.www.forbes.com19681963 grants a president-elect's incoming administration authorization to conduct foreign affairs -- no, it doesn't. 97% of criminal cases are guilty pleas -- no, they're not.
Stop making shit up.Opinion | Prosecutors are packing prisons by coercing plea deals, and it's totally legal
American prosecutors are equipped with a fearsome array of tools they can and do use to discourage people from exercising their right to a jury trial.www.nbcnews.com
Why Innocent People Plead Guilty | Jed S. Rakoff
The criminal justice system in the United States today bears little relationship to what the Founding Fathers contemplated, what the movies and television portray, or what the average American believes.www.nybooks.com
There’s literally hundreds of these articles I could keep posting.
And yes transition teams talk to foreign diplomats allllllll the fuuuucking time. You’re willfully ignorant otherwise. Presidential candidates do it alllll the fuuucking time. You’re also going to have to explain to me how it was in the US interest to want Russia to escalate, and/or how it was in the US interest to have Russia vote yes on a UN resolution designed to fuck over Israel. Nobody hear has done that yet.
You keep making shit up.
As far as talking with foreign diplomats, again --- no one is saying they can't "talk" with them. Not even the Logan Act prevents that. Grow a fucking brain.
And as far as what I posted...do you actually read? I’ve posted 3 articles all citing the 97% of cases pleading guilty.
You're fucking deranged.
So how are there 97% of guilty pleas when there's 8% of cases dismissed??
Why Innocent People Plead Guilty | Jed S. Rakoff
The criminal justice system in the United States today bears little relationship to what the Founding Fathers contemplated, what the movies and television portray, or what the average American believes.www.nybooks.com
“In 2013, while 8 percent of all federal criminal charges were dismissed (either because of a mistake in fact or law or because the defendant had decided to cooperate), more than 97 percent of the remainder were resolved through plea bargains, and fewer than 3 percent went to trial. The plea bargains largely determined the sentences imposed.
While corresponding statistics for the fifty states combined are not available, it is a rare state where plea bargains do not similarly account for the resolution of at least 95 percent of the felony cases that are not dismissed; and again, the plea bargains usually determine the sentences, sometimes as a matter of law and otherwise as a matter of practice. Furthermore, in both the state and federal systems, the power to determine the terms of the plea bargain is, as a practical matter, lodged largely in the prosecutor, with the defense counsel having little say and the judge even less.”
“According to a recent study from the Pew Research Center, of the roughly 80,000 federal prosecutions initiated in 2018, just two percent went to trial. More than 97 percent of federal criminal convictions are obtained through plea bargains, and the states are not far behind at 94 percent. Why are people so eager to confess their guilt instead of challenging the government to prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt to the satisfaction of a unanimous jury?”
I know these aren’t the pictures you like to look at in books, but it’s important to read the books to understand the pictures. See there.
Moron, you were wrong. Dead wrong. Your own articles even fucked you over. While you claim 97% of cases get resolved, your own links show it's really 89%.
And now you prove you're not man enough to own your ignorance.