Judge "orders" Trump Administration to stop arresting people in California

[Couchpotato]

US District Judge Maame Ewusi-Mensah Frimpong, an appointee of former President Joe Biden, ordered that DHS must develop guidance for officers to determine “reasonable suspicion” outside of the apparent race or ethnicity of a person, the language they speak or their accent, “presence at a particular location” such as a bus stop or “the type of work one does.”

Seems reasonable
We are not a “show me your papers” state

Profile of the Unauthorized Population - US

Learn about the estimated 11.4 million unauthorized immigrants living in the United States—where do they live? When did they arrive in the United States, and from which origin countries? What are their levels of education, top industries of employment, income, parental and marital status, health...

www.migrationpolicy.org

I don't know when the data for this chart was collected or how but if true it would seem to me that a person's ethnicity would appear to be a pretty distinct indicator.

If almost 80% of the illegal immigrant population is of one ethnicity and speaks 1 language (minus the Brazilians) how is that not a reasonable indicator? If there's a serial killer loose in your city should the police force be looking at Asian women as suspects?

 

[Hollie]

Has nothing to do with randomly demanding papers from both citizens and non-citizens

You have made no case for random demands for ID by law enforcement.

 

[Couchpotato]

I thought the SCOTUS ruled that regional judges don’t have power of Trump.

They cant make universal injunctions.

 

[Marener]

The fact that they were among other illegals at the time of detention and questioning shows that ICE actions at that time were not motivated by race, but by suspicion that these people, too, might be illegal immigrants. That is what prompted the detention and questioning. The idea that it was race-motivated is a scurrilous charge not based on any legal merit whatsoever.

ICE would not have known they were among other illegals when they detained them.

They weren’t detaining white people “among other illegals”.

 

[Lisa558]

They cant make universal injunctions.

But can they override Trump’s directions to federal agencies?

 

[meaner gene]

Has nothing to do with randomly demanding papers from both citizens and non-citizens

Hence the catch-22.
That even if his argument held that they can demand identification from non-citizens. They can't make that determination without demanding identification.

So they can't make the determination without demanding the same of citizens. Which is illegal.

 

[Leo123]

Has nothing to do with randomly demanding papers from both citizens and non-citizens

American citizens are not coming through the Darien gap led by paid Coyotes. It's perfectly legal to demand I.D. from those not coming into the U.S. at legal check points. Your example is preposterous. No one is being randomly stopped for no reason and asked to show I.D.

 

[meaner gene]

But can they override Trump’s directions to federal agencies?

Add .... when operating within the jurisdiction of the court.

 

[Leo123]

It;'s also under the 4th amendment that applies to "the people"

“The right of the people ...

Yes the PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, IOW citizens, . Not the people of the world. Your Marxist definition does not apply.

 

[meaner gene]

American citizens are not coming through the Darien gap led by paid Coyotes. It's perfectly legal to demand I.D. from those not coming into the U.S. at legal check points. Your example is preposterous. No one is being randomly stopped and for no reason and asked to show I.D.

Your argument only applies if they are caught "in the act" of crossing.
Once within the US, there is no evidence of how they got here, either legal or illegal, without demanding identification "papers", which they can't do of citizens (except during regulated activities)

 

[Lisa558]

ICE would not have known they were among other illegals when they detained them.

They weren’t detaining white people “among other illegals”.

So if whites were living among illegals and were arrested, it would be OK? Just not if they’re brown?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Your argument only applies if they are caught "in the act" of crossing.
Once within the US, there is no evidence of how they got here, either legal or illegal, without demanding identification "papers", which they can't do of citizens (except during regulated activities)

If they have no identification.....duh

 

[meaner gene]

Yes the PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, IOW citizens, . Not the people of the world. Your Marxist definition does not apply.

The people is legally defined as everyone physically present in the US and its territories.

We corrected that wrongful view by amending the constitution and it's laws to specifically make the universal application clear.

 

[Lisa558]

The people is legally defined as everyone physically present in the US and its territories.

We corrected that wrongful view by amending the constitution and it's laws to specifically make the universal application clear.

Which amendment was that?

 

[Leo123]

Your argument only applies if they are caught "in the act" of crossing.
Once within the US, there is no evidence of how they got here, either legal or illegal, without demanding identification "papers", which they can't do of citizens (except during regulated activities)

If illegals are on ICE's list of illegals it doesn't matter whether or not they have I.D. If a person commits a crime or infractions, law enforcement can ask for I.D. If they have no I.D. it's a cinch they are illegal aliens.

 

[Leo123]

Which amendment was that?

The amendment Meanie Genie has in her head.

 

[meaner gene]

If they have no identification.....duh

The supreme court already ruled except for regulated activities, or suspicion of a crime, they can't demand identification.

 

[Couchpotato]

But can they override Trump’s directions to federal agencies?

They can make rulings in individual cases and those rulings would certainly apply in their jurisdiction. Every action taken by the Executive isn't legal just because they are legally allowed to make policy within that realm of governance. The President is the Commander in Chief but he can't order the US Army to house soldiers in citizens homes. He cant order the invasion of Canada or some other country. (Except Iran or Syria, or Iraq, or Yemen, or Libya.....) but that's a separate topic.

 

[TemplarKormac]

ICE would not have known they were among other illegals when they detained them.

They were in the presence of other illegals at the time of their detention.

I am actively studying the case right now. What, you thought I left the thread?

 

[meaner gene]

If illegals are on ICE's list of illegals it doesn't matter whether or not they have I.D. If a person commits a crime or infractions, law enforcement can ask for I.D. If they have no I.D. it's a cinch they are illegal aliens.

ICE's list of illegals?
Technically wouldn't that be any of the 6.7 billion people of the world?