Tariffs have been re-established

[dblack]

Consumers control prices by choosing not to buy. Thats free market capitalism.

LOL - you can't cheer for tariffs and extol free market capitalism at the same time. How can you hold two, utterly incompatible, notions in your head like that?

Democrats create more control over markets with regulations that drive up costs.

Yep. Do you complain about that? I do. It's bullshit.

It's always the same pathetic excuse making. Whenever someone points out how stupid MAGA policies are, you start whining about Democrats. For ****'s sake grow a spine.

 

[leftwinger]

No.

Please read the material before commenting again.

I did the work, not you of course.

**Overall average effective tariff rate: Around 16% (pre-substitution, meaning before import shifts occurred), the highest since the 1930s. Trade-weighted averages were reported around 15.3% in some analyses.

**The ruling invalidated the IEEPA-based tariffs, and US Customs and Border Protection stopped collecting them shortly after (effective around February 23–24, 2026). However, the administration immediately responded by imposing replacement tariffs under a different authority: Section 122 of the Trade Act of 1974 (which allows temporary tariffs up to 15% for up to 150 days to address balance-of-payments issues, without needing prior investigation).


//* just SHUP on me, my posts *//

 

[leftwinger]

LOL - you can't cheer for tariffs and extol free market capitalism at the same time. How can you hold two, utterly incompatible, notions in your head like that?

Yep. Do you complain about that? I do. It's bullshit.

It's always the same pathetic excuse making. Whenever someone points out how stupid MAGA policies are, you start whining about Democrats. For ****'s sake grow a spine.

Again you don't address other GOVT "controlling the prices" (as you put it?) Of USA goods coming into their Countries. You can't have it only one way?

So you are against tariffs but only if the USA applies them. And only under Trump? That's nice. Cottage cheese brain on TDS much?

 

[leftwinger]

In the 2000s I worked in SK & Malaysia. You have to work hard to find any American designed or American built goods. You can drive or walk around 12 hours thru downtown Seoul and nothing but Korean. Everything. Refrigerators AC lights. Millions of Cars of course ALL Korean. Proton cars in Malaysia. Just one example. Yet Stain they bark like a chained dog, with TDS.

Ask them why? They say import duties and SK would collapse if SK goods were not purchased exclusively.

 

[leftwinger]

A sample :
Tariffs Imposed by Other Countries on U.S. Exports
The results include limited but notable retaliatory measures:

China has imposed various tariffs on U.S. goods, including 10–15% on agricultural products (soybeans, pork, fruit), 10% on crude oil, and 15% on natural gas and coal. Some rare earth export controls were suspended in November 2025.
The European Union has applied 4.4–30% tariffs on U.S. goods across multiple sectors, including alcohol, steel scrap, and agricultural products, through Implementing Regulation (EU) 2025/1564.
Canada has imposed 25% retaliatory tariffs on certain U.S. origin products since March 2025.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If the tariffs are making imports more expensive, then American products would be cheaper…

Maybe one day, after the factories are built and the people are hired to work them.

Do you think there was just a bunch of empty factories sitting around waiting to make these products we have not been buying?

Think it through.

 

[dblack]

Again you dont address other GOVT "controlling the prices" (as you put it?) Of USA goods coming into their Countries. Yo cant have it one way.

Yeah. We actually can. We didn't have to mimic every stupid policy our rivals implement.

So you are against tariffs but only if the USA applies them.

Yep. That's the only country i have any control over.

And only under Trump?

Nope. I opposite this crap no matter who is driving. It's usually Dems trying to use the government to control markets. Now it's Trumpsters. Same shit regardless.

 

[BlindBoo]

You mean Benedict Donald is fighting tooth and nail to continue his unjustified and unconstitutional consumer tax on most all American's. The newly announced tariffs are illegal too, and will be struck down in due course and likely will have an injunction prohibiting their implementation.

 

[Churchill]

Tariff uncertainty smashes Wall Street as 401(k)s hammered

Retirement savers were left nursing fresh losses on Monday after tariff chaos sent Wall Street sharply lower.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[task0778]

FYI:

The Tax Foundation estimates that the new 15% Section 122 tariffs will bring in about 70% of the revenue that would have been raised over the next five months under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 (IEEPA), which the high court ruled illegal.

The Yale Budget Lab calculated that the US's overall average effective tariff rate was 16% prior to the ruling, then fell to 9.1% when IEEPA tariffs were struck down (while other sector-specific duties remained), and is now set to rise to 13.7% once the new global tariffs go into effect on Tuesday.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/early-winners-and-losers-emerge-as-trump-revamps-his-tariff-regime-154705389.html

If true, the new impact of these tariffs is reduced somewhat, so one might expect less inflation but also less reshoring due to lower disincentives for US companies to keep operations overseas. And the worst part might be the uncertainty that US businesses face, not knowing WTF will happen next. Plans for startups and business expansions have in many cases probably been held up due to the chaos that Trump creates.

 

[j-mac]

Relatively cheaper, yes. But if a US product was $10, it's still $10 the US price doesn't drop. The same imported product used to be cheaper at say $8 is now $10 too, thanks to the tariffs. So, a US consumer who used to buy the $8 imported product is now paying an extra $2, which means their cost of living went up. It depends on the product and the difference in price and quality between the imported stuff and the domestic stuff. Some people value quality, but others cannot afford to do that.

For above the poverty level, that extra $2 may not matter to them, but for everyone else at or anywhere hear the poverty level that price hike does matter.

But you concede, it levels the playing field....That's fair, is it not?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

But you concede, it levels the playing field....That's fair, is it not?

It does not do that.

 

[task0778]

But you concede, it levels the playing field....That's fair, is it not?

Doesn't seem fair to me, now I gotta pay an extra $2 for the same imported thing and that money ends up as more revenue for the gov't. Or I have to pay the higher price for the same item that is domestically produced. I think that kinda sucks for the low income people; The extra money they gotta pay means their income doesn't stretch as far as it did.

Tariffs are actually a tax by a different name cuz that money ends up as revenue to the gov't. Think about the $2 that I can't spend on something else, right? The importer paid the $2 to the gov't and passed that cost onto me the consumer. Now I got $2 less to spend on something else and that means lower economic growth and higher inflation and a lower standard of living.

Then there's the retaliation when other countries hit back. Tariffs means that somebody on our side wins but somebody else loses. But the guys at the bottom of the income ladder end up getting hurt the most. Leveling the playing field doesn't help them at all.

And on top of that there's the chaos that Trump generates with is tariffs. Nobody knows what he's gonna do next, and businesses hate uncertainty. They can't really make long range plans cuz who knows what Trump is gonna do tomorrow.

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

MSN

^^
A few hours after the Supreme Court struck down Donald Trump's tariffs - 10% tariffs for 150 days were imposed across the board on most countries. Canada/Mexico excluded due to 2018 agreement.

Trump wins again.

Houston, we have a problem :

Trump’s Section 122 Tariffs Are Illegal | National Review

 

[j-mac]

Doesn't seem fair to me, now I gotta pay an extra $2 for the same imported thing and that money ends up as more revenue for the gov't. Or I have to pay the higher price for the same item that is domestically produced. I think that kinda sucks for the low income people; The extra money they gotta pay means their income doesn't stretch as far as it did.

Tariffs are actually a tax by a different name cuz that money ends up as revenue to the gov't. Think about the $2 that I can't spend on something else, right? The importer paid the $2 to the gov't and passed that cost onto me the consumer. Now I got $2 less to spend on something else and that means lower economic growth and higher inflation and a lower standard of living.

Then there's the retaliation when other countries hit back. Tariffs means that somebody on our side wins but somebody else loses. But the guys at the bottom of the income ladder end up getting hurt the most. Leveling the playing field doesn't help them at all.

And on top of that there's the chaos that Trump generates with is tariffs. Nobody knows what he's gonna do next, and businesses hate uncertainty. They can't really make long range plans cuz who knows what Trump is gonna do tomorrow.

So, just let other countries continue to rip us off, steal our jobs, and laugh because it’s just too hard to get the USA on the winning side of the ledger, after ALL we’ve done for the rest of the world. I say bullshit.

It’s about time we have a President putting us first when it comes to our partnership with our trading partners….

 

[task0778]

So, just let other countries continue to rip us off, steal our jobs, and laugh because it’s just too hard to get the USA on the winning side of the ledger, after ALL we’ve done for the rest of the world. I say bullshit.

It’s about time we have a President putting us first when it comes to our partnership with our trading partners….

Too bad he's doing it at the expense of the people on the low side of the income ladder. And other countries are not stealing our jobs, the democrats raise taxes too high and create too many laws and regulations that strangle businesses. Many of them move offshore or they go out of business.

And I'll say this, when I buy an imported product for less money than the same thing that is domestically produced, I don't feel ripped off at all. You tell me, who's getting ripped off here?

 

[j-mac]

Too bad he's doing it at the expense of the people on the low side of the income ladder. And other countries are not stealing our jobs, the democrats raise taxes too high and create too many laws and regulations that strangle businesses. Many of them move offshore or they go out of business.

And I'll say this, when I buy an imported product for less money than the same thing that is domestically produced, I don't feel ripped off at all. You tell me, who's getting ripped off here?

The US auto worker, and all associated businesses

 

[task0778]

The US auto worker, and all associated businesses

I would submit that the rising cost of imported steel due to Trump's tariffs hurts the US auto workers and associated businesses more than any foreign tariffs placed on our cars exported elsewhere. Those tariffs make US cars more expensive to build and sell both here and abroad. And not just cars either, anything that requires steel becomes more expensive too, like washers, dryers, bicycles, etc.

Many foreign carmakers have built plants and created jobs here to avoid shipping costs and tariffs, and that is a good thing, right? I would assume that there aren't that many cars that are imported into the US or exported from the US overseas. True, foreign gov'ts have placed tariffs on our cars coming into their country, which IMHO is kinda silly. When you include the shipping costs to the price of the car, it's gotta be somewhat prohibited to add a tariff on the US-made car. But IMHO even if the foreign countries removed their tariffs on our cars it wouldn't make much difference anyway.

So, I don't see the big ripoff.

 

[dblack]

I would submit that the rising cost of imported steel due to Trump's tariffs hurts the US auto workers and associated businesses more than any foreign tariffs placed on our cars exported elsewhere. Those tariffs make US cars more expensive to build and sell both here and abroad. And not just cars either, anything that requires steel becomes more expensive too, like washers, dryers, bicycles, etc.

There's a compelling case that this is always the case.

Many foreign carmakers have built plants and created jobs here to avoid shipping costs and tariffs, and that is a good thing, right? I would assume that there aren't that many cars that are imported into the US or exported from the US overseas.

Just a side note, but I spent some China a while back and was surprised to see so many American and western cars on the road. I'd say 20-30% of the cars on the road where I was. But I believe that's been trending down in recent years.

In my view, tariffs are just another means of expanding government control over trade.

 

[j-mac]

I would submit that the rising cost of imported steel due to Trump's tariffs hurts the US auto workers and associated businesses more than any foreign tariffs placed on our cars exported elsewhere. Those tariffs make US cars more expensive to build and sell both here and abroad. And not just cars either, anything that requires steel becomes more expensive too, like washers, dryers, bicycles, etc.

Many foreign carmakers have built plants and created jobs here to avoid shipping costs and tariffs, and that is a good thing, right? I would assume that there aren't that many cars that are imported into the US or exported from the US overseas. True, foreign gov'ts have placed tariffs on our cars coming into their country, which IMHO is kinda silly. When you include the shipping costs to the price of the car, it's gotta be somewhat prohibited to add a tariff on the US-made car. But IMHO even if the foreign countries removed their tariffs on our cars it wouldn't make much difference anyway.

So, I don't see the big ripoff.

So, if I understand you, you’re saying that tariffs don’t make much difference then?