Johnson Admits That Shutdown Is About ACA Premiums

[Greenbeard]

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EXTENDING THE ACA SUBSIDY CANNOT HAPPEN. THE DOLLAR WOULD CRASH.

We spent $91 billion on ACA subsidies in 2023.

 

[kyzr]

We spent $91 billion on ACA subsidies in 2023.

I used an AI search, you typed $91b. Got a link?

 

[Lesh]

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EXTENDING THE ACA SUBSIDY CANNOT HAPPEN. THE DOLLAR WOULD CRASH.

Try 350 billion over ten years

That’s 35 per year ya stupid ****

 

[Greenbeard]

I used an AI search, you typed $91b. Got a link?

Use AI less if you don't have enough baseline knowledge to recognize that it's insane to believe we spend $1.8 trillion on ACA subsidies per year.

$1.7 trillion represents all federal health spending in 2023 (most of it--more than a trillion dollars--on Medicare).

See Table 1-4 of the data tables from the Budget and Economic Outlook.

 

[kyzr]

Try 350 billion over ten years

That’s 35 per year ya stupid ****

Learn how to read dumbass. $1.8T in 2023 increasing to $3.3T by 2033. Unaffordable.

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

Mike Johnson slams Obamacare funds as a 'boondoggle' as shutdown drags on

Johnson also addressed conservative calls to repeal Obamacare, whose enhanced tax credits form the main dispute between the two parties that led to the funding impasse.

www.nbcnews.com

So the lies that it’s about anything else can stop

Letting the subsidies expire would cause a DOUBLING of premiums

Republicans busted.

 

[Nostra]

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EXTENDING THE ACA SUBSIDY CANNOT HAPPEN. THE DOLLAR WOULD CRASH.

Wow! Barrycare really sucks.

 

[Nostra]

In this thread Dimwingers have whined that Trump said he would repeal and replace Barrycare, but didn’t. So we are still stuck with Barrycare.

Then they whine and cry about how expensive a Barrycare is and millions will lose coverage…….then try to blame Trump for the clusterfuck Barrycare.

The are literally insane.

 

[Rawley]

My party?

Your party. The one that shutdown the gvt demanding 1.5 trillion in new spending without proposing how to pay for it.

Hey moron, your party is in charge of the budget and the ACA premiums ain’t even a spec on a gnat’s ass.

Hey "moron" 1.5T isn't a "spec on a gnat’s ass" of a 6T budget? WTF?

 

[Greenbeard]

Hey "moron" 1.5T isn't a "spec on a gnat’s ass" of a 6T budget? WTF?

You guys are doing a bit, right? You don’t actually believe we spend a quarter of the federal budget on ACA tax credits…?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

ACA was always a huge failure. Why are the Dems still holding this country hostage?

 

[Nostra]

You guys are doing a bit, right? You don’t actually believe we spend a quarter of the federal budget on ACA tax credits…?

$1.5 trillion is $1.5 trillion we don’t have. Why does your Cult want to spend money we don’t have on illegals?

 

[Rawley]

You guys are doing a bit, right? You don’t actually believe we spend a quarter of the federal budget on ACA tax credits…?

YOu should read the actual demand from your party rather than the bullshit they feed you on TV. Add it up and it's 1.5 trillion.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000199-59dc-dc43-af99-f9deabed0000

 

[kyzr]

Use AI less if you don't have enough baseline knowledge to recognize that it's insane to believe we spend $1.8 trillion on ACA subsidies per year.
$1.7 trillion represents all federal health spending in 2023 (most of it--more than a trillion dollars--on Medicare).
See Table 1-4 of the data tables from the Budget and Economic Outlook.

Your $91b does sound more reasonable than $1.8T just for subsidies.
But I couldn't find that specific number by search, until now, with a different browser. $125b in 2024.

How much does Obamacare cost taxpayers per year?

Furthermore, they confirmed high-income individuals will receive fully taxpayer-subsidized health insurance under the policy. Just five years ago, annual spending

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Furthermore, they confirmed high-income individuals will receive fully taxpayer-subsidized health insurance under the policy. Just five years ago, annual spending on Obamacare subsidies was $57 billion. In 2024, annual spending on Obamacare subsidies is projected to more than double to $125 billion.

 

[Greenbeard]

Just five years ago, annual spending on Obamacare subsidies was $57 billion. In 2024, annual spending on Obamacare subsidies is projected to more than double to $125 billion.

Back in 2014, the CBO did a refresh of the estimates for spending on ACA subsidies that projected through 2024.

They thought the subsidies would cost $109 billion in 2019. In reality, they actually cost $56 billion.

By 2024, spending on the subsidies (the original, less-generous ACA subsidies) was supposed to cost $137 billion. And that was based on assumptions of economy-wide inflation of ~2% over that entire decade.

In real life, we had the post-COVID bout of inflation that pushed the general price level of the economy up 20-30%, and the ACA subsidies were enhanced to make the coverage even more affordable. Yet even in spite of those two unforeseen-back-in-2014 developments, actual spending on the ACA subsidies in nominal dollars last year was $122 billion.

Even in an economy where incomes and prices are markedly higher than projected a decade ago and even after the ACA was amended to make the subsidies more generous, they were still cheaper last year than they were expected to be a decade ago.

 

[kyzr]

Back in 2014, the CBO did a refresh of the estimates for spending on ACA subsidies that projected through 2024.
They thought the subsidies would cost $109 billion in 2019. In reality, they actually cost $56 billion.
By 2024, spending on the subsidies (the original, less-generous ACA subsidies) was supposed to cost $137 billion. And that was based on assumptions of economy-wide inflation of ~2% over that entire decade.
In real life, we had the post-COVID bout of inflation that pushed the general price level of the economy up 20-30%, and the ACA subsidies were enhanced to make the coverage even more affordable. Yet even in spite of those two unforeseen-back-in-2014 developments, actual spending on the ACA subsidies in nominal dollars last year was $122 billion.
Even in an economy where incomes and prices are markedly higher than projected a decade ago and even after the ACA was amended to make the subsidies more generous, they were still cheaper last year than they were expected to be a decade ago.

Yeah, okay, the ACA subsidies will start out costing about $130b a year in 2026 and go up from there.
Obamacare wasn't supposed to have any subsidies. Yet here we are to make it more "affordable".
I don't have a dog in the subsidy fight, except for when the democrats want to cover illegals, which I'm not sure is included in the "subsidy" projections.
My suggestion was to keep about half of the current ACA subsidy but just for US citizens, $60b-$70b a year paid for by tariff revenue.

 

[Greenbeard]

Obamacare wasn't supposed to have any subsidies.

Of course it was, the premium tax credits have been there from day one. They're the part that makes the American health care system affordable for low-and-middle income families. And they have always cost less than originally advertised, which is why expanding them has been and remains a no-brainer.

I don't have a dog in the subsidy fight, except for when the democrats want to cover illegals, which I'm not sure is included in the "subsidy" projections.

Illegals aren't eligible for ACA subsidies, they're not even allowed to buy marketplace coverage with entirely their own money (which is a dumb policy). Nobody has proposed to change that.

 

[kyzr]

Illegals aren't eligible for ACA subsidies, they're not even allowed to buy marketplace coverage with entirely their own money (which is a dumb policy). Nobody has proposed to change that.

Maybe they just get free healthcare, like democrats promised?

MSN

Unearthed debate clip goes viral against Dems as illegal immigrant health coverage becomes top issue​

 

[Crepitus]

RFK Jr. says CDC will no longer recommend COVID-19 vaccine for healthy children, pregnant women | AHA News

Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. May 27 announced in a post on X that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention would no longer recommend the COVID-19 vaccine for healthy children and pregnant women.

www.aha.org

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[scruffy]

Mike Johnson slams Obamacare funds as a 'boondoggle' as shutdown drags on

Johnson also addressed conservative calls to repeal Obamacare, whose enhanced tax credits form the main dispute between the two parties that led to the funding impasse.

www.nbcnews.com

So the lies that it’s about anything else can stop

Letting the subsidies expire would cause a DOUBLING of premiums

It is not the federal government's job to pay for your healthcare.