John McCain was right about us staying in Iraq 100 years

It worked in Japan.

It worked in Germany.

Except for two tiny itsy bitsy things.

1. Iraq never attacked us.

2. Well, we'll let him say it:

Iraq Wants the U.S. Out - WSJ

Mr. Maliki was eager to draw a line in his most definitive remarks on the subject. "The last American soldier will leave Iraq" as agreed, he said, speaking at his office in a leafy section of Baghdad's protected Green Zone. "This agreement is not subject to extension, not subject to alteration. It is sealed."

Mr. Maliki said the only way for any of the remaining 50,000 or so American soldiers to stay beyond 2011 would be for the two nations to negotiate—with the approval of Iraq's Parliament—a new Status of Forces Agreement, or SOFA, similar to the one concluded in 2008.

That deal took a year of protracted negotiations in the face of vehement opposition from many among Mr. Maliki's own Shiite constituency, and no repeat is expected.

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So what are these dumbass right wingnuts saying? Armed occupation? Yea, hold that thought.
 
It worked in Japan.

It worked in Germany.

Except for two tiny itsy bitsy things.

1. Iraq never attacked us.

So what?

And for that matter, neither did Nazi Germany attack us before they declared war on us.
 
It worked in Japan.

It worked in Germany.

Except for two tiny itsy bitsy things.

1. Iraq never attacked us.

2. Well, we'll let him say it:

Iraq Wants the U.S. Out - WSJ

Mr. Maliki was eager to draw a line in his most definitive remarks on the subject. "The last American soldier will leave Iraq" as agreed, he said, speaking at his office in a leafy section of Baghdad's protected Green Zone. "This agreement is not subject to extension, not subject to alteration. It is sealed."

Mr. Maliki said the only way for any of the remaining 50,000 or so American soldiers to stay beyond 2011 would be for the two nations to negotiate—with the approval of Iraq's Parliament—a new Status of Forces Agreement, or SOFA, similar to the one concluded in 2008.

That deal took a year of protracted negotiations in the face of vehement opposition from many among Mr. Maliki's own Shiite constituency, and no repeat is expected.

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So what are these dumbass right wingnuts saying? Armed occupation? Yea, hold that thought.

And what's a little vehement opposition from Iraqis to a clever guy like BO?

After all, America was saddled with Obamacare despite vehement opposition.

You do your best and you prevail in that effort...only if it is important to you.

To Obama it was the LAST thing he wanted!

He didn't even try to reach a SOFA with Malicki.

If he had tried he'd have succeeded.
 
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You aren't considering all of the conditions and circumstances that existed and weighed on W's decisions at the time before the invasion.

Did you know that while in our custody Saddam admitted to the FBI about intentionally bluffing and misleading the world to believe he possessed WMD's?

Absolutely he did.

His arch enemy Iran was on his border, and yet he wasn't even allowed to move his ground forces around Iraq. One US analyst famously stated that Iran could take southern Iraq with an ice cream truck with a bull horn.

Could Saddam be confident that the US would come to the aid of Iraq if Iran had invaded during that period?

Iraq went to war with Iran at the US behest.

The US even supplied them with a good amount of weapons to get the job done, most notably chemical weapons.

Then the US attacked Iraq, several times.

Then? Imposed sanctions.

Anyone with even the rudimentary knowledge of the history, knows that Iraq had no WMDs.

The US most certainly knew it.

The Bush administration floated the big bad boogeyman supporting Al Qaeda and capable of using chemical/biological/nuclear weapons against the US.

That was a ridiculous assertion.

But it was "good enough" to get us in there.
 
BHO now has a humanitarian crisis in Iraq that he can blame on Bush.

All of the high cards are now in his hand.
 
BHO now has a humanitarian crisis in Iraq that he can blame on Bush.

All of the high cards are now in his hand.

Too many Americans have been paying attention for BHO to get away with trying to blame this on Bush.

You should say, 'all of the people in the Administration are now completely HIGH and they are also clueless about what is going on and what to do to make it better for US.'
 
It worked in Japan.

It worked in Germany.

Except for two tiny itsy bitsy things.

1. Iraq never attacked us.

So what?

And for that matter, neither did Nazi Germany attack us before they declared war on us.

See that's the thing.

They declared war on us.

Therefore because Iraq didn't attack us first (other than attacking our personnel enforcing the No Fly Zone) you are saying that our leaving troops behind to maintain the peace and serve as back up for the Iraqi security forces would not have worked???

Explain such foolishness.
 
Had we never invaded Iraq in the first place none of this would be happening right now.

Unfortunately, that premise is based on information disseminated by the left to discredit Bush's actions..... and not debunked by Bush's people for reasons that won't be obvious till sometime in the near future. There are reasons they can't run out and address it.

All I can say is come back to this thread in about 3 years.

I'm not suggesting people change their minds without proof, as you are not going to get anyone willing to offer any. I'm suggesting that those with your belief may want to hold themselves open to the fact there's more to the story that can't be divulged now.

Another way to put it: I sure would not bet your house on your post if I were you.

This isn't meant to sway partisans. You could throw proof at their feet and it wouldn't matter.

This is for those truly trying to figure things out.
 
John McCain was right about us staying in Iraq 100 years

Johnny Mac is wrong, and what is going on in the ME means we keep working on achieving energy independence We will increase our standard of living and in the long run make available to almost ever American.

There really is no such thing as energy independence because independent business's in all countries buy and sell oil, natural gas, coal, on the world market. A business does not care where it gets its energy as long as it is cheap and efficient. So unless the entire planet moves away from using fossil fuels, its not going to happen. Right now, the majority of business's find fossil fuels to be the cheapest and most efficient form of energy for their business.

Finally even if that dynamic changes, the United States after 70 years of heavy trade with Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, have ties to the region that go far beyond oil and natural gas. The Saudi's and Kuwait's own lots of US debt which helps keep the US economy afloat. In an increasingly globalized world, you can't isolate yourself!

Holy mackerel, I've finally found someone that understands the way the world works. Given so many Americans fail to understand the way the global economy works, it's a long haul trying to show them. Wanna help me write a book, U2, LOL??

And yes, what these folks don't understand is that even if we obtained energy independence -- which ain't happening soon because of a certain liberal voting block -- energy vendors would then want to sell to the rest of the world....to those willing to pay market prices. That puts us back to being highly interconnected globally. Erecting national walls in the energy independence scenario is fairy dust.

Good luck getting many Americans to see that far in advance.
 
BHO now has a humanitarian crisis in Iraq that he can blame on Bush.

All of the high cards are now in his hand.

Too many Americans have been paying attention for BHO to get away with trying to blame this on Bush.

You should say, 'all of the people in the Administration are now completely HIGH and they are also clueless about what is going on and what to do to make it better for US.'

It's laughable to see how pathetic the rabid left becomes when they feel desperation. I feel sorry for the poor lads. Some of them probably work for Dems that are going to be trounced in Nov.
 
John McCain was right about us staying in Iraq 100 years

Johnny Mac is wrong, and what is going on in the ME means we keep working on achieving energy independence We will increase our standard of living and in the long run make available to almost ever American.

There really is no such thing as energy independence because independent business's in all countries buy and sell oil, natural gas, coal, on the world market. A business does not care where it gets its energy as long as it is cheap and efficient. So unless the entire planet moves away from using fossil fuels, its not going to happen. Right now, the majority of business's find fossil fuels to be the cheapest and most efficient form of energy for their business.

Finally even if that dynamic changes, the United States after 70 years of heavy trade with Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, have ties to the region that go far beyond oil and natural gas. The Saudi's and Kuwait's own lots of US debt which helps keep the US economy afloat. In an increasingly globalized world, you can't isolate yourself!

We the People have no need or requirement to support business interests in the ME if we can get what we need here without setting the whole region afire on war.

Yes, we can isolate ourselves from warfare there.

That's not the way the world works. The fact is, the food you ate today was either trucked to a supermarket or some other establishment where you purchased it. That required gas refined from oil to get it there. Food packaging is often made from refined petroleum products. If you drive a car, you use gas refined from oil. Anyone that uses, purchases petroleum products anywhere in the world, is dependent on the GLOBAL MARKET PRICE for that product. That's simply economics. So unless you intend to start living like the Amish today, your life is dependent and impacted by what happens in the Middle East.
 
U2Edge, grow up. No sane person buys your argument. We can and are becoming energy independent. How many tomatoes do we get from Saudi Arabia?
 
U2Edge, grow up. No sane person buys your argument. We can and are becoming energy independent. How many tomatoes do we get from Saudi Arabia?

Oh that does it. You're just too fucking stupid. Period. See ya in the next election.
 
There really is no such thing as energy independence because independent business's in all countries buy and sell oil, natural gas, coal, on the world market. A business does not care where it gets its energy as long as it is cheap and efficient. So unless the entire planet moves away from using fossil fuels, its not going to happen. Right now, the majority of business's find fossil fuels to be the cheapest and most efficient form of energy for their business.

Finally even if that dynamic changes, the United States after 70 years of heavy trade with Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, have ties to the region that go far beyond oil and natural gas. The Saudi's and Kuwait's own lots of US debt which helps keep the US economy afloat. In an increasingly globalized world, you can't isolate yourself!

We the People have no need or requirement to support business interests in the ME if we can get what we need here without setting the whole region afire on war.

Yes, we can isolate ourselves from warfare there.

That's not the way the world works. The fact is, the food you ate today was either trucked to a supermarket or some other establishment where you purchased it. That required gas refined from oil to get it there. Food packaging is often made from refined petroleum products. If you drive a car, you use gas refined from oil. Anyone that uses, purchases petroleum products anywhere in the world, is dependent on the GLOBAL MARKET PRICE for that product. That's simply economics. So unless you intend to start living like the Amish today, your life is dependent and impacted by what happens in the Middle East.

Explaining simple economics to some of these people is fruitless.

Absolutely fruitless.

The level of knowledge they start with to even grasp what you're saying is shockingly low. I'm actually working on a book on the subject of the global economy.

I've been nudged to try to dumb it down, which I have.....but at some point it's like trying to explain how to build a house to someone that thinks you snap your fingers and houses appear in front of you.

No matter how much you try to keep moving down to explain at their level....for some, it just won't take.
 
The USA military are still in Germany,S KOREA AND OTHER FORMER WAR AREAS and they have helped keep the peace. CLUELESS obama CUT AND RAN IN IRAQ AND WE NOW PAY THE PRICE,AFGAN IS NEXT AND LOOK AT THE BIG RED LINE IN SYRIA AND LIBIA AND IRAN!!! THEY ARE LAUGHING THEIR HEADS OFF(PUN).

You do have a point and there is absolutely no reason the US should still have bases in Germany, Japan and Korea. Are you really worried that if the US left these countries they would revert back to their evil ways?

One other thing about Iraq, Not only did Iraq want the US out of their country, the citizens of the US wanted us out of Iraq too. That is one of the main reasons that Obama won and McCain (stay for 100 years) lost the election and became a laughing stock.
 

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