John Bolton on the the greatest misconceptions that Democrats have about Republicans.

[M.D. Rawlings]

The biggest misconception Republicans have is that somehow liberty is a value that only applies to their party

That's not a misconception; it's a fact. Or certainly the hardcore base of the Democratic Party is comprised of statists. Just ask midcan5, the one who truly did write something without saying anything in the above.

 

[midcan5]

The biggest misconception Republicans have is that somehow liberty is a value that only applies to their party

That's not a misconception; it's a fact. Or certainly the hardcore base of the Democratic Party is comprised of statists. Just ask midcan5, the one who truly did write something without saying anything in the above.

LOL Again a word, 'statist' that means nothing outside the choir of singers who pretend 'liberty' means something as they deny rights to other Americans. The magic here is that words alone lead the republicans to failure after failure and yet they repeat them like robotic puppets. Go figure.

"The collapse of the Bush presidency, in other words, is not just due to Bush's incompetence (although his administration has been incompetent beyond belief). Nor is it a response to the president's principled lack of intellectual curiosity and pitbull refusal to admit mistakes (although those character flaws are certainly real enough). And the orgy of bribery and special-interest dispensation in Congress is not the result of Tom DeLay's ruthlessness, as impressive a bully as he was. This conservative presidency and Congress imploded, not despite their conservatism, but because of it." "Why Conservatives Can't Govern" by Alan Wolfe

 

[uscitizen]

Why then if they love liberty did most all republicans support the patriot act?

 

[daveman]

Why then if they love liberty did most all republicans support the patriot act?

Who extended it?

Oh, yeah -- you mindless Obamabots blamed Bush for that, too.

 

[uscitizen]

Why then if they love liberty did most all republicans support the patriot act?

Who extended it?

Oh, yeah -- you mindless Obamabots blamed Bush for that, too.

Umm do not forget the 42 Tea Party cacus members who voted to extend it as well.

 

[daveman]

Why then if they love liberty did most all republicans support the patriot act?

Who extended it?

Oh, yeah -- you mindless Obamabots blamed Bush for that, too.

Umm do not forget the 42 Tea Party cacus members who voted to extend it as well.

We were talking about Obama. Who signed the extension into law.

But you refuse to hold him accountable for that.

 

[uscitizen]

Who extended it?

Oh, yeah -- you mindless Obamabots blamed Bush for that, too.

Umm do not forget the 42 Tea Party cacus members who voted to extend it as well.

We were talking about Obama. Who signed the extension into law.

But you refuse to hold him accountable for that.

If you think I have refused to hold him accountable for that then just read some of my past posts on the subject.

And no BILL can be signed into LAW unless it has been approved by the House of Representatives.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Republicans/conservatives clearly have no monopoly on ‘liberty.’ Their perception of it is problematic, to say the lease.

They focus on ‘property rights’ and limiting the government in that regard yet fail to consider individual rights and advocate greater government authority accordingly. Conservatives’ efforts to violate homosexuals’ equal protection rights is but one glaring example of their contempt for the rule of law.

 

[daveman]

Umm do not forget the 42 Tea Party cacus members who voted to extend it as well.

We were talking about Obama. Who signed the extension into law.

But you refuse to hold him accountable for that.

If you think I have refused to hold him accountable for that then just read some of my past posts on the subject.

And no BILL can be signed into LAW unless it has been approved by the House of Representatives.

Once again, you're blaming Republicans, who can't sign a bill into law, instead of the man who signed the bill into law.

You serve your masters well, and you will be rewarded. Actually, you'll be thrown under the bus once your utility is over.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The biggest misconception Republicans have is that somehow liberty is a value that only applies to their party

That's not a misconception; it's a fact. Or certainly the hardcore base of the Democratic Party is comprised of statists. Just ask midcan5, the one who truly did write something without saying anything in the above.

LOL Again a word, 'statist' that means nothing outside the choir of singers who pretend 'liberty' means something as they deny rights to other Americans. The magic here is that words alone lead the republicans to failure after failure and yet they repeat them like robotic puppets. Go figure.

Of all the dumb things you have ever said, this one really proves you have no idea what you are talking about. Statists are people, like Newt and Obama, who advocate the statism. Notice how I picked an example from both sides? Unless you are a complete idiot you know Obama prefers state power over individual rights, he proved that with his signing statement on the NDAA.

Now comes the obligatory midcan quote of someone who actually proves the exact opposite of what he is trying to prove.

"The collapse of the Bush presidency, in other words, is not just due to Bush's incompetence (although his administration has been incompetent beyond belief). Nor is it a response to the president's principled lack of intellectual curiosity and pitbull refusal to admit mistakes (although those character flaws are certainly real enough). And the orgy of bribery and special-interest dispensation in Congress is not the result of Tom DeLay's ruthlessness, as impressive a bully as he was. This conservative presidency and Congress imploded, not despite their conservatism, but because of it." "Why Conservatives Can't Govern" by Alan Wolfe

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Why then if they love liberty did most all republicans support the patriot act?

Same reason most of the Democrats did, they are statists.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Republicans/conservatives clearly have no monopoly on ‘liberty.’ Their perception of it is problematic, to say the lease.

They focus on ‘property rights’ and limiting the government in that regard yet fail to consider individual rights and advocate greater government authority accordingly. Conservatives’ efforts to violate homosexuals’ equal protection rights is but one glaring example of their contempt for the rule of law.

In order for your statement to be true you have to indicate that Democrats actually have a better record on liberty, good luck with that.

By the way, are you arguing that property rights are less important than other rights? If the government has the power to arbitrarily tell people they cannot build a home on their property, and then tell them they have no right to appeal that decision until the government decides to take them to court, do we really have individual liberty? Doesn't that infringe on our individual right to due process? Are you really so incredibly stupid that you think that our property rights are not individual rights?

 

[Katzndogz]

Republicans/conservatives clearly have no monopoly on ‘liberty.’ Their perception of it is problematic, to say the lease.

They focus on ‘property rights’ and limiting the government in that regard yet fail to consider individual rights and advocate greater government authority accordingly. Conservatives’ efforts to violate homosexuals’ equal protection rights is but one glaring example of their contempt for the rule of law.

In order for your statement to be true you have to indicate that Democrats actually have a better record on liberty, good luck with that.

By the way, are you arguing that property rights are less important than other rights? If the government has the power to arbitrarily tell people they cannot build a home on their property, and then tell them they have no right to appeal that decision until the government decides to take them to court, do we really have individual liberty? Doesn't that infringe on our individual right to due process? Are you really so incredibly stupid that you think that our property rights are not individual rights?

If the government owns all property as a collective of individuals there is no right for a single individual to remove the rights of ownership from the collective. The rights of homosexuals are juxtaposed against the rights of property ownership and found to be of greater weight so the attention of protecting rights should be removed from property and transferred to them.

That's what he's trying to say.

 

[newpolitics]

actions speak louder than words

 

[newpolitics]

What bothers me about this is the implication that democrats do not care about liberty. There exists a continuum of liberty, and given that we have a constitution, there will always be liberty as it is defined in our constitution and bill of rights. Nothing is going to threat that, except for the assholes who are already in Washington, taking money from corporations, listening to their lobbyists, and trading away our liberties under the guise of 'national security' against an continuously manufactured boogeyman to create the illusion that our liberty is constantly being threatened. This engenders the conservative reaction, who's focus is then not on creating the best possible life for all citizens of this country, but of safeguarding liberty, even if that means taking it away from everybody to do it, with the Patriot Act, National Defense Authorization Act, and SOPA. Everybody wants freedom. That is part of our existence. Republicans are delusional to say that their brand of liberty is somehow better than someone elses, as if they have a monopoly on the idea. They judge from this standpoint, everybody who they see as different, much the same as evangelicals, who, by no coincidence, make up a powerful portion of the republican base. The mainstream of both the liberal and republican camp are to some extent, full of shit, because they all bow down to money. But it is the republican following, who more often than democrats, point the finger and try to set the state for how they think things should be, rather than actually trying to fix things. They, like the terrorists, want to take us back in time, to when things were more glorious. they do not want to move forward, and actually deal with what is.

 

[daveman]

actions speak louder than words

Indeed they do. I suggest people stop listening to what liberals say and pay attention to what they do -- because frequently the two are poles apart.

 

[PrometheusBound]

Scientific geniuses are responsible for our prosperity. Republicans claim that investors caused all our progress; this is parasite economics and is keeping us from progressing further.

 

[daveman]

Scientific geniuses are responsible for our prosperity. Republicans claim that investors caused all our progress; this is parasite economics and is keeping us from progressing further.

How can a wonderful invention get to market without investors?

 

[The T]

Scientific geniuses are responsible for our prosperity. Republicans claim that investors caused all our progress; this is parasite economics and is keeping us from progressing further.

How can a wonderful invention get to market without investors?

Tenacity alone?

 

[tenthertoo]

John Bolton is on my short list of who I'd wish would be the President.