Joe Biden says Social Security and Medicare need to be on the table to solve deficits.

[Clipper]

Look Dumbass, nobody here takes your word for anything.......especially me.

If you think you have evidence of a Republican saying he/she wants to cut SS and Medicare bring it.

Otherwise, you will have proven you are a lying sack of shit.

Your choice, Halfwit.

I'm not your secretary, moron. Are you that lazy or afraid of the truth, tard?

 

[Nostra]

I'm not your secretary, moron. Are you that lazy or afraid of the truth, tard?

WTF? You made a claim, then asked me to google it, Moron.

Since it's obvious you can't bring a link to back up your claim it is just as obvious you are a lying sack.

Run along, Troll. You have nothing of substance to offer.

 

[kyzr]

Pubs were talking about giving the SS money to the people and letting them invest their own money how they see fit.
Do you cult fucks realize SS is insolvent? The government steals that money to fund their bullshit. Its not in some safe place. It does not exist. It is a ponzi scheme.

SS is NOT a ponzi scheme. If SS is NOT fixed we still get 78% of promised benefits.
Fixing SS is easy:
1. Double the cap from $160k to $320k
2. Add 1-yr for those under 54, to 63 early and 68 full retirement benefits
3. Add 1-yr for those under 34, if the SS Trustees need it in the future.

The justification is that the younger people will live longer and collect longer than their parents.

 

[ColonelAngus]

SS is NOT a ponzi scheme. If SS is NOT fixed we still get 78% of promised benefits.
Fixing SS is easy:
1. Double the cap from $160k to $320k
2. Add 1-yr for those under 54, to 63 early and 68 full retirement benefits
3. Add 1-yr for those under 34, if the SS Trustees need it in the future.

The justification is that the younger people will live longer and collect longer than their parents.

Why doesnt Congress make the changes?

 

[Nostra]

SS is NOT a ponzi scheme. If SS is NOT fixed we still get 78% of promised benefits.
Fixing SS is easy:
1. Double the cap from $160k to $320k
2. Add 1-yr for those under 54, to 63 early and 68 full retirement benefits
3. Add 1-yr for those under 34, if the SS Trustees need it in the future.

The justification is that the younger people will live longer and collect longer than their parents.

SS brings in today's tax dollars to pay people retired now, just as they paid in to pay retirement for those before them.

Classic ponzi scheme destined to go broke.

 

[ColonelAngus]

The argument is that Social Security makes interest when the government “borrows” from the fund….but what happens when the treasury cannot meet its debt service obligation?

In 2023, the US treasury debt service will be nearly $1 trillion.

It was $211B in Q4 2022.

 

[Care4all]

Was he lying then, or is he lying now?

He was right about his Medicare concerns.

One year earlier under Bush in 2006, Congress passed and he signed, the MEDICARE PILL BILL, Medicare part D, without raising the money to pay for it, without raising taxes to cover it, or cutting other federal spending to pay for it.....

Social Security has not added a cent, to the deficit!

And yes, both need addressing and tweaking, but not as hostage in a debt ceiling payment debate....

These are seriously needed and beloved programs of most all Americans. It needs to be debated and negotiated and amended under normal order.

Not under threat of the debt ceiling....of ruining our financial status and ratings by not paying our bills....and costing us tax payers trillions more in interest payments alone, for our existing debt over a few years....

 

[j-mac]

During Gorsuch's confirmation hearing in early 2017, he refused to take a position on Roe. He told Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., that he "would have walked out the door" had Trump asked him to overturn Roe.

Gorsuch took the uncontroversial line that Roe is a precedent. Precedent is the "anchor of law," he said. "It is the starting place for a judge."

"I would tell you that Roe v. Wade, decided in 1973, is a precedent of the United States Supreme Court. It has been reaffirmed," he said. "A good judge will consider it as precedent of the U.S. Supreme Court worthy as treatment of precedent like any other."

Gorsuch acknowledged that the Supreme Court had held that a fetus is not a person for the purposes of the 14th Amendment's due process clause, a legal underpinning of Roe v. Wade.

"Do you accept that?" asked Durbin.

"That is the law of the land. I accept the law of the land, senator, yes," Gorsuch replied.

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"much was made of a private meeting between Kavanaugh and Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, who said the nominee had told her he considered Roe to be "settled law."

​

But Kavanaugh stopped short of repeating that line in his hearing, instead focusing on Roe's status as Supreme Court precedent.

"It is settled as a precedent of the Supreme Court, entitled the respect under principles of stare decisis," he said. "The Supreme Court has recognized the right to abortion since the 1973 Roe v. Wade case. It has reaffirmed it many times."

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Perhaps the most revealing moment for Barrett came as she was being questioned by Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., who asked if Barrett considered Roe to be a "super-precedent."

Barrett answered by defining super-precedent as "cases that are so well settled that no political actors and no people seriously push for their overruling."

"And I'm answering a lot of questions about Roe, which I think indicates that Roe doesn't fall in that category," she said.

"Roe is not a super-precedent because calls for its overruling have never ceased. But that doesn't mean that Roe should be overruled. It just means that it doesn't fall in the small handful of cases like Marbury v. Madison and Brown v. Board that no one questions anymore," she added.

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But that was different, they're not really trying to gut SS and Medicare..............

What conservative justices said — and didn't say — about Roe at their confirmations

Democrats say several conservative justices lied to the Senate in their confirmations. But nominees have long taken a careful line on Roe, acknowledging it as a precedent without saying much more.

www.npr.org

So, what you’re saying here is that no established ruling of prior SCs should ever be overturned? You sure you want to stick with that?

If Roe ever had the support you claim, then why Was there never a push for an amendment?

 

[meaner gene]

You lying twats have been using that scare tactic for at least 40 years. If Republicans were going to cut Social security and Medicare they had ample opportunities to do it. It ain't working.

Actually republicans never had the opportunity through direct up and down vote. The popularity of social security and medicare is so great, that even majority republican districts would vote them out of office.

The plan to cut social security and medicare was by running up the deficit, until the country would have to choose between cutting social security and defaulting on the debt.

 

[KissMy]

You have provided exactly ZERO EVIDENCE of any Republican trying to gut SS and Medicare, liar.

Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) “It will be my objective to phase out Social Security, to pull it up by the roots and get rid of it”

 

[meaner gene]

SS brings in today's tax dollars to pay people retired now, just as they paid in to pay retirement for those before them.

Classic ponzi scheme destined to go broke.

Again you're wrong. Social security always ran a surplus, which by statute was put into treasury bills, the famous IOU's that George W. Bush talked about. The debt that Al Gore wanted to pay off by putting social security into a "lock box" that the government couldn't steal from.

 

[meaner gene]

So, what you’re saying here is that no established ruling of prior SCs should ever be overturned? You sure you want to stick with that?

Actually it should have been treated like previous overturned precedents. Like Plessy v Ferguson which got 7 votes to uphold it. While Brown v Board of ed

Decision: The Court ruled against the prevailing notion of separate, but equal. In a 9-0 decision, they held that public school segregation violated the equal protection granted to United States citizens by the Fourteenth Amendment.

Plessy 7-1
Brown 9-0

Where Roe was decided 7-2
Dobbs overturned it 5-4

 

[Nostra]

He was right about his Medicare concerns.

One year earlier under Bush in 2006, Congress passed and he signed, the MEDICARE PILL BILL, Medicare part D, without raising the money to pay for it, without raising taxes to cover it, or cutting other federal spending to pay for it.....

Social Security has not added a cent, to the deficit!

And yes, both need addressing and tweaking, but not as hostage in a debt ceiling payment debate....

These are seriously needed and beloved programs of most all Americans. It needs to be debated and negotiated and amended under normal order.

Not under threat of the debt ceiling....of ruining our financial status and ratings by not paying our bills....and costing us tax payers trillions more in interest payments alone, for our existing debt over a few years....

McCarthy confirmed they are both off the table a week ago, Dumbass. Chicom Joe still lied about it.

 

[Nostra]

Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) “It will be my objective to phase out Social Security, to pull it up by the roots and get rid of it”

The rest of his comments....


“I think, we oughta look to, after we get it solvent, look to the idea of allowing people, if they want to, to at least identify some portion of their social security payments to go into a private account,” he added, appearing to promote a similar idea to Pence.

 

[meaner gene]

McCarthy confirmed they are both off the table a week ago, Dumbass. Chicom Joe still lied about it.

MCarthy also said he wouldn't make special deals in order to get elected speaker.

 

[meaner gene]

The rest of his comments....


“I think, we oughta look to, after we get it solvent, look to the idea of allowing people, if they want to, to at least identify some portion of their social security payments to go into a private account,” he added, appearing to promote a similar idea to Pence.

And what would have happened had those people been allowed to invest their pension in the stock market in 2022?

Answer: They would have lost 20-30% of their retirement.

Get it now?

 

[Nostra]

MCarthy also said he wouldn't make special deals in order to get elected speaker.

So?

 

[Care4all]

McCarthy confirmed they are both off the table a week ago, Dumbass. Chicom Joe still lied about it.

Did he? If actually so, all he needs is 1 Trumper congress critter to threaten him and he would bend beyond Gumby and his horse Pokey! McCarthy has no power or strength....he gave it all up, to become Speaker.... And since when did mccarthy control the Senate?

Sunsetting SS and MEDICARE every 5 years, cancelling the programs without voting for it again and passing each house is nothing less than Russian roulette, and makes the programs more unstable....if they even continue to exist....

 

[meaner gene]

So?

It shows that McCarthys word isn't worth a warm bucket of spit.

 

[Nostra]

And what would have happened had those people been allowed to invest their pension in the stock market in 2022?

Answer: They would have lost 20-30% of their retirement.

Get it now?

You do realize people invest for retirement for more than one year, right Simp?

A few counties in TX opted out of SS in the early '70s prior to Congress outlawing it. They set up a similar system and their retirees get 3 times + monthly what a SS recipient gets, and they get to leave several hundred thousand dollars to their heirs.

On SS you can pay in for 50+ years and die right before you start collecting and get zippo.

Which system is better?