Jews trying to get Americans killed - as usual

[Phoenall]

What are you trying to say, that the Latin Kingdom didn't last about a century. What's your point?

That you twist and turn to get out of trouble, and will tell LIES to do so.

I never tell lies and I only post fact unless I clearly express my own speculation or predictions which may or may not prove correct. But, you are just a Phony and write nonsensical psychopathic bullshit.

Hey Phony, you are quite the genius. Both the Latin Kingdom and the Kingdom of Acre lasted a little less than 100 years. The Latin Kingdom 88 years and the Kingdom of Acre 99 years. These are the limited periods that, historically, a religious minority is likely to hold the territory in an area through superior military power. The Jews are becoming a smaller and smaller minority in the area with every passing year.

"The first kingdom lasted from 1099 to 1187, when it was almost entirely overrun by Saladin. After the subsequent Third Crusade, the kingdom was re-established in Acre in 1192, and lasted until that city's destruction in 1291. This second kingdom is sometimes called the Kingdom of Acre."

Kingdom of Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While the arab muslims only owned the whole of Palestine for 22 years before being evicted as illegal immigrants. Guess you did not do your homework good enough again.

 

[montelatici]

That you twist and turn to get out of trouble, and will tell LIES to do so.

I never tell lies and I only post fact unless I clearly express my own speculation or predictions which may or may not prove correct. But, you are just a Phony and write nonsensical psychopathic bullshit.

Hey Phony, you are quite the genius. Both the Latin Kingdom and the Kingdom of Acre lasted a little less than 100 years. The Latin Kingdom 88 years and the Kingdom of Acre 99 years. These are the limited periods that, historically, a religious minority is likely to hold the territory in an area through superior military power. The Jews are becoming a smaller and smaller minority in the area with every passing year.

"The first kingdom lasted from 1099 to 1187, when it was almost entirely overrun by Saladin. After the subsequent Third Crusade, the kingdom was re-established in Acre in 1192, and lasted until that city's destruction in 1291. This second kingdom is sometimes called the Kingdom of Acre."

Kingdom of Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While the arab muslims only owned the whole of Palestine for 22 years before being evicted as illegal immigrants. Guess you did not do your homework good enough again.

Why do you continue to humiliate yourself? You are just confirming to everyone how ignorant you are of history. On the other hand, you may be mentality challenged

The Arab Muslims (as opposed to the Turkish Muslims or Kurdish Muslims) defeated the Byzantine Christians in 637 and Arab control over Palestine lasted until the First Crusade in the late 11th century, almost 500 years.

So Palestine was either Christian or Muslim over the 2,000+ years until the Europeans of the Jewish religion settled there recently.

"The Siege of Jerusalem was part of a military conflict which took place in the year 637 between the Byzantine Empire and the Rashidun Caliphate. It began when the Rashidun army, under the command of Abu Ubaidah, besieged Jerusalem in November 636. After six months, the Patriarch Sophronius agreed to surrender, on condition that he submit only to the Rashidun caliph. In April 637, Caliph Umar traveled to Jerusalem in person to receive the submission of the city.The Muslim conquest of the city solidified the Arab control over Palestine, control which would not again be threatened until the First Crusade in the late 11th century...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(637)

 

[Phoenall]

I never tell lies and I only post fact unless I clearly express my own speculation or predictions which may or may not prove correct. But, you are just a Phony and write nonsensical psychopathic bullshit.

Hey Phony, you are quite the genius. Both the Latin Kingdom and the Kingdom of Acre lasted a little less than 100 years. The Latin Kingdom 88 years and the Kingdom of Acre 99 years. These are the limited periods that, historically, a religious minority is likely to hold the territory in an area through superior military power. The Jews are becoming a smaller and smaller minority in the area with every passing year.

"The first kingdom lasted from 1099 to 1187, when it was almost entirely overrun by Saladin. After the subsequent Third Crusade, the kingdom was re-established in Acre in 1192, and lasted until that city's destruction in 1291. This second kingdom is sometimes called the Kingdom of Acre."

Kingdom of Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While the arab muslims only owned the whole of Palestine for 22 years before being evicted as illegal immigrants. Guess you did not do your homework good enough again.

Why do you continue to humiliate yourself? You are just confirming to everyone how ignorant you are of history. On the other hand, you may be mentality challenged

The Arab Muslims (as opposed to the Turkish Muslims or Kurdish Muslims) defeated the Byzantine Christians in 637 and Arab control over Palestine lasted until the First Crusade in the late 11th century, almost 500 years.

So Palestine was either Christian or Muslim over the 2,000+ years until the Europeans of the Jewish religion settled there recently.

"The Siege of Jerusalem was part of a military conflict which took place in the year 637 between the Byzantine Empire and the Rashidun Caliphate. It began when the Rashidun army, under the command of Abu Ubaidah, besieged Jerusalem in November 636. After six months, the Patriarch Sophronius agreed to surrender, on condition that he submit only to the Rashidun caliph. In April 637, Caliph Umar traveled to Jerusalem in person to receive the submission of the city.The Muslim conquest of the city solidified the Arab control over Palestine, control which would not again be threatened until the First Crusade in the late 11th century...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(637)

Jerusalem is not Palestine little boy, now try and keep up the arab muslims held Palestine for 22 years before being evicted as illegal immigrants. Palestine in those days was a lot larger than the tiny 3% of the total area it is today.

 

[montelatici]

While the arab muslims only owned the whole of Palestine for 22 years before being evicted as illegal immigrants. Guess you did not do your homework good enough again.

Why do you continue to humiliate yourself? You are just confirming to everyone how ignorant you are of history. On the other hand, you may be mentality challenged

The Arab Muslims (as opposed to the Turkish Muslims or Kurdish Muslims) defeated the Byzantine Christians in 637 and Arab control over Palestine lasted until the First Crusade in the late 11th century, almost 500 years.

So Palestine was either Christian or Muslim over the 2,000+ years until the Europeans of the Jewish religion settled there recently.

"The Siege of Jerusalem was part of a military conflict which took place in the year 637 between the Byzantine Empire and the Rashidun Caliphate. It began when the Rashidun army, under the command of Abu Ubaidah, besieged Jerusalem in November 636. After six months, the Patriarch Sophronius agreed to surrender, on condition that he submit only to the Rashidun caliph. In April 637, Caliph Umar traveled to Jerusalem in person to receive the submission of the city.The Muslim conquest of the city solidified the Arab control over Palestine, control which would not again be threatened until the First Crusade in the late 11th century...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(637)

Jerusalem is not Palestine little boy, now try and keep up the arab muslims held Palestine for 22 years before being evicted as illegal immigrants. Palestine in those days was a lot larger than the tiny 3% of the total area it is today.

You do know how to read, right? So read the text below from the link I provided and you presumably read and then shut up, I am tired of making you look more the fool than you already are, punk.

"The Muslim conquest of the city solidified the Arab control over Palestine, control which would not again be threatened until the First Crusade in the late 11th century...."

 

[Phoenall]

Why do you continue to humiliate yourself? You are just confirming to everyone how ignorant you are of history. On the other hand, you may be mentality challenged

The Arab Muslims (as opposed to the Turkish Muslims or Kurdish Muslims) defeated the Byzantine Christians in 637 and Arab control over Palestine lasted until the First Crusade in the late 11th century, almost 500 years.

So Palestine was either Christian or Muslim over the 2,000+ years until the Europeans of the Jewish religion settled there recently.

"The Siege of Jerusalem was part of a military conflict which took place in the year 637 between the Byzantine Empire and the Rashidun Caliphate. It began when the Rashidun army, under the command of Abu Ubaidah, besieged Jerusalem in November 636. After six months, the Patriarch Sophronius agreed to surrender, on condition that he submit only to the Rashidun caliph. In April 637, Caliph Umar traveled to Jerusalem in person to receive the submission of the city.The Muslim conquest of the city solidified the Arab control over Palestine, control which would not again be threatened until the First Crusade in the late 11th century...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(637)

Jerusalem is not Palestine little boy, now try and keep up the arab muslims held Palestine for 22 years before being evicted as illegal immigrants. Palestine in those days was a lot larger than the tiny 3% of the total area it is today.

You do know how to read, right? So read the text below from the link I provided and you presumably read and then shut up, I am tired of making you look more the fool than you already are, punk.

"The Muslim conquest of the city solidified the Arab control over Palestine, control which would not again be threatened until the First Crusade in the late 11th century...."

Yes and discounted it as not being factual and unbiased due to the author links to extremist islam.

User:Mohammad adil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Is the author of this piece and he admits to re-writing islamic history

 

[Roudy]

I never tell lies and I only post fact unless I clearly express my own speculation or predictions which may or may not prove correct. But, you are just a Phony and write nonsensical psychopathic bullshit.

Hey Phony, you are quite the genius. Both the Latin Kingdom and the Kingdom of Acre lasted a little less than 100 years. The Latin Kingdom 88 years and the Kingdom of Acre 99 years. These are the limited periods that, historically, a religious minority is likely to hold the territory in an area through superior military power. The Jews are becoming a smaller and smaller minority in the area with every passing year.

"The first kingdom lasted from 1099 to 1187, when it was almost entirely overrun by Saladin. After the subsequent Third Crusade, the kingdom was re-established in Acre in 1192, and lasted until that city's destruction in 1291. This second kingdom is sometimes called the Kingdom of Acre."

Kingdom of Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While the arab muslims only owned the whole of Palestine for 22 years before being evicted as illegal immigrants. Guess you did not do your homework good enough again.

Why do you continue to humiliate yourself? You are just confirming to everyone how ignorant you are of history. On the other hand, you may be mentality challenged

The Arab Muslims (as opposed to the Turkish Muslims or Kurdish Muslims) defeated the Byzantine Christians in 637 and Arab control over Palestine lasted until the First Crusade in the late 11th century, almost 500 years.

So Palestine was either Christian or Muslim over the 2,000+ years until the Europeans of the Jewish religion settled there recently.

"The Siege of Jerusalem was part of a military conflict which took place in the year 637 between the Byzantine Empire and the Rashidun Caliphate. It began when the Rashidun army, under the command of Abu Ubaidah, besieged Jerusalem in November 636. After six months, the Patriarch Sophronius agreed to surrender, on condition that he submit only to the Rashidun caliph. In April 637, Caliph Umar traveled to Jerusalem in person to receive the submission of the city.The Muslim conquest of the city solidified the Arab control over Palestine, control which would not again be threatened until the First Crusade in the late 11th century...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(637)

So since the 11th century, Muslims have not "controled" Jerusalem. It has been under Turkish Ottoman control.

Sorry, that makes the Arab claim on that land totally bogus. LOL

 

[montelatici]

While the arab muslims only owned the whole of Palestine for 22 years before being evicted as illegal immigrants. Guess you did not do your homework good enough again.

Why do you continue to humiliate yourself? You are just confirming to everyone how ignorant you are of history. On the other hand, you may be mentality challenged

The Arab Muslims (as opposed to the Turkish Muslims or Kurdish Muslims) defeated the Byzantine Christians in 637 and Arab control over Palestine lasted until the First Crusade in the late 11th century, almost 500 years.

So Palestine was either Christian or Muslim over the 2,000+ years until the Europeans of the Jewish religion settled there recently.

"The Siege of Jerusalem was part of a military conflict which took place in the year 637 between the Byzantine Empire and the Rashidun Caliphate. It began when the Rashidun army, under the command of Abu Ubaidah, besieged Jerusalem in November 636. After six months, the Patriarch Sophronius agreed to surrender, on condition that he submit only to the Rashidun caliph. In April 637, Caliph Umar traveled to Jerusalem in person to receive the submission of the city.The Muslim conquest of the city solidified the Arab control over Palestine, control which would not again be threatened until the First Crusade in the late 11th century...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(637)

So since the 11th century, Muslims have not "controled" Jerusalem. It has been under Turkish Ottoman control.

Sorry, that makes the Arab claim on that land totally bogus. LOL

Well, a far more legitimate claim than that of a bunch of Europeans. You people haven't much education and it certainly shows, but then you have to an ignorant nitwit to support Israel. However, please memorize this, the Ottomans did not conquer Palestine until 1517. The Christians held Palestine for about hundred years between 1099 to 1187. They Christians held on to Acre for another 100 years but it was a small holding. So whether Christian or Muslim, Arab or Turk. It wasn't Jewish for sure.

 

[Roudy]

Why do you continue to humiliate yourself? You are just confirming to everyone how ignorant you are of history. On the other hand, you may be mentality challenged

The Arab Muslims (as opposed to the Turkish Muslims or Kurdish Muslims) defeated the Byzantine Christians in 637 and Arab control over Palestine lasted until the First Crusade in the late 11th century, almost 500 years.

So Palestine was either Christian or Muslim over the 2,000+ years until the Europeans of the Jewish religion settled there recently.

"The Siege of Jerusalem was part of a military conflict which took place in the year 637 between the Byzantine Empire and the Rashidun Caliphate. It began when the Rashidun army, under the command of Abu Ubaidah, besieged Jerusalem in November 636. After six months, the Patriarch Sophronius agreed to surrender, on condition that he submit only to the Rashidun caliph. In April 637, Caliph Umar traveled to Jerusalem in person to receive the submission of the city.The Muslim conquest of the city solidified the Arab control over Palestine, control which would not again be threatened until the First Crusade in the late 11th century...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(637)

So since the 11th century, Muslims have not "controled" Jerusalem. It has been under Turkish Ottoman control.

Sorry, that makes the Arab claim on that land totally bogus. LOL

Well, a far more legitimate claim than that of a bunch of Europeans. You people haven't much education and it certainly shows, but then you have to an ignorant nitwit to support Israel. However, please memorize this, the Ottomans did not conquer Palestine until 1517. The Christians held Palestine for about hundred years between 1099 to 1187. They Christians held on to Acre for another 100 years but it was a small holding. So whether Christian or Muslim, Arab or Turk. It wasn't Jewish for sure.

There is no more or less legitimate claim, DUFUS. The remains of the 700 year fallen Ottoman Empire was divided almost entirely into Arab Muslim shitholes, by those that conquered it, THE EUROPEANS aka the British and the French, except for one AREA, Palestine, which was voted for unanimously by the 51 member League of Nations aka United Nations to be the home of the Jewish people. Which happened to be in their ancestral homeland, Israel. Two for one.

Arabs and Muslim converts like you have a problem with that? TOUGH SHI'ITE! Deal with it, MOHOMOD.

 

[montelatici]

So since the 11th century, Muslims have not "controled" Jerusalem. It has been under Turkish Ottoman control.

Sorry, that makes the Arab claim on that land totally bogus. LOL

Well, a far more legitimate claim than that of a bunch of Europeans. You people haven't much education and it certainly shows, but then you have to an ignorant nitwit to support Israel. However, please memorize this, the Ottomans did not conquer Palestine until 1517. The Christians held Palestine for about hundred years between 1099 to 1187. They Christians held on to Acre for another 100 years but it was a small holding. So whether Christian or Muslim, Arab or Turk. It wasn't Jewish for sure.

There is no more or less legitimate claim, DUFUS. The remains of the 700 year fallen Ottoman Empire was divided almost entirely into Arab Muslim shitholes, by those that conquered it, THE EUROPEANS aka the British and the French, except for one AREA, Palestine, which was voted for unanimously by the 51 member League of Nations aka United Nations to be the home of the Jewish people. Which happened to be in their ancestral homeland, Israel. Two for one.

Arabs and Muslim converts like you have a problem with that? TOUGH SHI'ITE! Deal with it, MOHOMOD.

As usual, you are full of shit:

"The United Nations General Assembly approved yesterday a proposal to partition Palestine into two states, one Arab and the other Jewish, that are to become fully independent by Oct.1. The vote was 33 to 13 with two abstentions and one delegation, the Siamese, absent..."

https://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/1129.html

In any case, taking land from the indigenous people to give it to Europeans does not prevent the indigenous people from seeking to regain their land. The Bolivian Indios have been fighting since 1492 or so, and have now begun to regain control of their country from the Europeans. Where the Indios were not exterminated, they are making a comeback. Same thing will happen in Palestine, in time.

 

[aris2chat]

Why do you continue to humiliate yourself? You are just confirming to everyone how ignorant you are of history. On the other hand, you may be mentality challenged

The Arab Muslims (as opposed to the Turkish Muslims or Kurdish Muslims) defeated the Byzantine Christians in 637 and Arab control over Palestine lasted until the First Crusade in the late 11th century, almost 500 years.

So Palestine was either Christian or Muslim over the 2,000+ years until the Europeans of the Jewish religion settled there recently.

"The Siege of Jerusalem was part of a military conflict which took place in the year 637 between the Byzantine Empire and the Rashidun Caliphate. It began when the Rashidun army, under the command of Abu Ubaidah, besieged Jerusalem in November 636. After six months, the Patriarch Sophronius agreed to surrender, on condition that he submit only to the Rashidun caliph. In April 637, Caliph Umar traveled to Jerusalem in person to receive the submission of the city.The Muslim conquest of the city solidified the Arab control over Palestine, control which would not again be threatened until the First Crusade in the late 11th century...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(637)

Jerusalem is not Palestine little boy, now try and keep up the arab muslims held Palestine for 22 years before being evicted as illegal immigrants. Palestine in those days was a lot larger than the tiny 3% of the total area it is today.

You do know how to read, right? So read the text below from the link I provided and you presumably read and then shut up, I am tired of making you look more the fool than you already are, punk.

"The Muslim conquest of the city solidified the Arab control over Palestine, control which would not again be threatened until the First Crusade in the late 11th century...."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Muslim-Byzantine_troop_movement_(635-636).svg

http://www.christians-standing-with-israel.org/map-jerusalem-saladin.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...gol_raids_in_Syria_and_Palestine_1260.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ar_East_1135.svg/435px-Near_East_1135.svg.png

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/images/lionheart3a.jpg

http://www.recklessbooks.co.uk/communities/9/004/007/811/829/images/4532442571_525x676.jpg


Kingdom of Jerusalem and palestine were not the same. Palestine did not have borders, it was a vague area and had within it other groupings of people and in some cases autonomous districts.
saying palestine was like saying near east or middle east or eastern mediterranean.

 

[montelatici]

Jerusalem is not Palestine little boy, now try and keep up the arab muslims held Palestine for 22 years before being evicted as illegal immigrants. Palestine in those days was a lot larger than the tiny 3% of the total area it is today.

You do know how to read, right? So read the text below from the link I provided and you presumably read and then shut up, I am tired of making you look more the fool than you already are, punk.

"The Muslim conquest of the city solidified the Arab control over Palestine, control which would not again be threatened until the First Crusade in the late 11th century...."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Muslim-Byzantine_troop_movement_(635-636).svg

http://www.christians-standing-with-israel.org/map-jerusalem-saladin.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...gol_raids_in_Syria_and_Palestine_1260.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ar_East_1135.svg/435px-Near_East_1135.svg.png

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/images/lionheart3a.jpg

http://www.recklessbooks.co.uk/communities/9/004/007/811/829/images/4532442571_525x676.jpg


Kingdom of Jerusalem and palestine were not the same. Palestine did not have borders, it was a vague area and had within it other groupings of people and in some cases autonomous districts.
saying palestine was like saying near east or middle east or eastern mediterranean.

Whatever it was, the Arabs controlled it from its capture in the mid 7th century until the First Crusade in the late 11th century, so what's your point?

 

[Roudy]

Well, a far more legitimate claim than that of a bunch of Europeans. You people haven't much education and it certainly shows, but then you have to an ignorant nitwit to support Israel. However, please memorize this, the Ottomans did not conquer Palestine until 1517. The Christians held Palestine for about hundred years between 1099 to 1187. They Christians held on to Acre for another 100 years but it was a small holding. So whether Christian or Muslim, Arab or Turk. It wasn't Jewish for sure.

There is no more or less legitimate claim, DUFUS. The remains of the 700 year fallen Ottoman Empire was divided almost entirely into Arab Muslim shitholes, by those that conquered it, THE EUROPEANS aka the British and the French, except for one AREA, Palestine, which was voted for unanimously by the 51 member League of Nations aka United Nations to be the home of the Jewish people. Which happened to be in their ancestral homeland, Israel. Two for one.

Arabs and Muslim converts like you have a problem with that? TOUGH SHI'ITE! Deal with it, MOHOMOD.

As usual, you are full of shit:

"The United Nations General Assembly approved yesterday a proposal to partition Palestine into two states, one Arab and the other Jewish, that are to become fully independent by Oct.1. The vote was 33 to 13 with two abstentions and one delegation, the Siamese, absent..."

https://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/1129.html

In any case, taking land from the indigenous people to give it to Europeans does not prevent the indigenous people from seeking to regain their land. The Bolivian Indios have been fighting since 1492 or so, and have now begun to regain control of their country from the Europeans. Where the Indios were not exterminated, they are making a comeback. Same thing will happen in Palestine, in time.

I'm talking about the 1920's League of Nations vote, DUFUS. Where it was voted for unanimously 51 member nations. How come Arabs never fought for this mythical Palestine during the 700 years of the Ottoman occupation? How come Arabs didn't protest any of the other Arab Muslim shitholes that were formed around the same time as Israel? How come NOBODY brought up an "Arab Palestine" when Jordan and Egypt controled the West Bank and Gaza for almost 20 years from 1948 to 1967?

Now who's the fulla shit one? LOL

 

[Hossfly]

Why do you continue to humiliate yourself? You are just confirming to everyone how ignorant you are of history. On the other hand, you may be mentality challenged

The Arab Muslims (as opposed to the Turkish Muslims or Kurdish Muslims) defeated the Byzantine Christians in 637 and Arab control over Palestine lasted until the First Crusade in the late 11th century, almost 500 years.

So Palestine was either Christian or Muslim over the 2,000+ years until the Europeans of the Jewish religion settled there recently.

"The Siege of Jerusalem was part of a military conflict which took place in the year 637 between the Byzantine Empire and the Rashidun Caliphate. It began when the Rashidun army, under the command of Abu Ubaidah, besieged Jerusalem in November 636. After six months, the Patriarch Sophronius agreed to surrender, on condition that he submit only to the Rashidun caliph. In April 637, Caliph Umar traveled to Jerusalem in person to receive the submission of the city.The Muslim conquest of the city solidified the Arab control over Palestine, control which would not again be threatened until the First Crusade in the late 11th century...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(637)

Jerusalem is not Palestine little boy, now try and keep up the arab muslims held Palestine for 22 years before being evicted as illegal immigrants. Palestine in those days was a lot larger than the tiny 3% of the total area it is today.

You do know how to read, right? So read the text below from the link I provided and you presumably read and then shut up, I am tired of making you look more the fool than you already are, punk.

"The Muslim conquest of the city solidified the Arab control over Palestine, control which would not again be threatened until the First Crusade in the late 11th century...."

"Palestine' is the name written by modern writers. Many people still say Persia instead of Iran when reciting history.

 

[Kondor3]

The Crusades ended on December 9, 1917...

 

[Andylusion]

Hmm.... the thread seems to have turned into a squabble over who knows history better. I'm not sure that either position on the history, really makes any difference... at least not to me.

 

[Phoenall]

Why do you continue to humiliate yourself? You are just confirming to everyone how ignorant you are of history. On the other hand, you may be mentality challenged

The Arab Muslims (as opposed to the Turkish Muslims or Kurdish Muslims) defeated the Byzantine Christians in 637 and Arab control over Palestine lasted until the First Crusade in the late 11th century, almost 500 years.

So Palestine was either Christian or Muslim over the 2,000+ years until the Europeans of the Jewish religion settled there recently.

"The Siege of Jerusalem was part of a military conflict which took place in the year 637 between the Byzantine Empire and the Rashidun Caliphate. It began when the Rashidun army, under the command of Abu Ubaidah, besieged Jerusalem in November 636. After six months, the Patriarch Sophronius agreed to surrender, on condition that he submit only to the Rashidun caliph. In April 637, Caliph Umar traveled to Jerusalem in person to receive the submission of the city.The Muslim conquest of the city solidified the Arab control over Palestine, control which would not again be threatened until the First Crusade in the late 11th century...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(637)

So since the 11th century, Muslims have not "controled" Jerusalem. It has been under Turkish Ottoman control.

Sorry, that makes the Arab claim on that land totally bogus. LOL

Well, a far more legitimate claim than that of a bunch of Europeans. You people haven't much education and it certainly shows, but then you have to an ignorant nitwit to support Israel. However, please memorize this, the Ottomans did not conquer Palestine until 1517. The Christians held Palestine for about hundred years between 1099 to 1187. They Christians held on to Acre for another 100 years but it was a small holding. So whether Christian or Muslim, Arab or Turk. It wasn't Jewish for sure.

Seems that you have not learnt your history little boy, the so called "Europeans" have a genetic marker that puts then in the lands of Judea and Samaria. The so called Palestinians that have been tested show a distinct lack of any such marker and instead show a very recent lineage outside of Palestine. The Jews whether Ashkenazi or Sephardic have lived in Palestine for 5000 years the muslims barely manage 3 generations

 

[Phoenall]

Well, a far more legitimate claim than that of a bunch of Europeans. You people haven't much education and it certainly shows, but then you have to an ignorant nitwit to support Israel. However, please memorize this, the Ottomans did not conquer Palestine until 1517. The Christians held Palestine for about hundred years between 1099 to 1187. They Christians held on to Acre for another 100 years but it was a small holding. So whether Christian or Muslim, Arab or Turk. It wasn't Jewish for sure.

There is no more or less legitimate claim, DUFUS. The remains of the 700 year fallen Ottoman Empire was divided almost entirely into Arab Muslim shitholes, by those that conquered it, THE EUROPEANS aka the British and the French, except for one AREA, Palestine, which was voted for unanimously by the 51 member League of Nations aka United Nations to be the home of the Jewish people. Which happened to be in their ancestral homeland, Israel. Two for one.

Arabs and Muslim converts like you have a problem with that? TOUGH SHI'ITE! Deal with it, MOHOMOD.

As usual, you are full of shit:

"The United Nations General Assembly approved yesterday a proposal to partition Palestine into two states, one Arab and the other Jewish, that are to become fully independent by Oct.1. The vote was 33 to 13 with two abstentions and one delegation, the Siamese, absent..."

https://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/1129.html

In any case, taking land from the indigenous people to give it to Europeans does not prevent the indigenous people from seeking to regain their land. The Bolivian Indios have been fighting since 1492 or so, and have now begun to regain control of their country from the Europeans. Where the Indios were not exterminated, they are making a comeback. Same thing will happen in Palestine, in time.

To become indigenous people the arab muslims had to force a change in the rules that dod not apply to any other claimants. That they had to reside in Palestine for a minimum of 2 years to be seen as indigenous, this because the majority were very recent arrivals from other parts of the M.E.


Once again you breach your own rule and bring in off topic material to derail the thread because you have no answers to the points raised. Try and stay on topic in future

 

[montelatici]

So since the 11th century, Muslims have not "controled" Jerusalem. It has been under Turkish Ottoman control.

Sorry, that makes the Arab claim on that land totally bogus. LOL

Well, a far more legitimate claim than that of a bunch of Europeans. You people haven't much education and it certainly shows, but then you have to an ignorant nitwit to support Israel. However, please memorize this, the Ottomans did not conquer Palestine until 1517. The Christians held Palestine for about hundred years between 1099 to 1187. They Christians held on to Acre for another 100 years but it was a small holding. So whether Christian or Muslim, Arab or Turk. It wasn't Jewish for sure.

Seems that you have not learnt your history little boy, the so called "Europeans" have a genetic marker that puts then in the lands of Judea and Samaria. The so called Palestinians that have been tested show a distinct lack of any such marker and instead show a very recent lineage outside of Palestine. The Jews whether Ashkenazi or Sephardic have lived in Palestine for 5000 years the muslims barely manage 3 generations

That's all bullshit. The Palestinians, Christian and Muslim have genetic markers that places them closer to Palestine than any Jew. In fact, the Palestinians.

"RAEL: 86% of Palestinians are of Jew’s origins according to genetic evidence. Israeli need to know they are committing siblicide.
“Palestinians are direct descendants of the tribes of Israel, they are as Jewish as any Jew in the world” a study by Tsvi Misinai confirms through genetic, immunological, linguistic, geographical, anthropological and historical studies."

RAEL: 86% of Palestinians are of Jew?s origins according to genetic evidence. Israeli need to know they are committing siblicide. - Raelian Press Site


I am a white European and I have a genetic marker that places me in Africa. It doesn't mean that me and my buddies can go to South Africa throw out the locals and take over the diamond minds. What a frigging idiot you are.

 

[Roudy]

Well, a far more legitimate claim than that of a bunch of Europeans. You people haven't much education and it certainly shows, but then you have to an ignorant nitwit to support Israel. However, please memorize this, the Ottomans did not conquer Palestine until 1517. The Christians held Palestine for about hundred years between 1099 to 1187. They Christians held on to Acre for another 100 years but it was a small holding. So whether Christian or Muslim, Arab or Turk. It wasn't Jewish for sure.

Seems that you have not learnt your history little boy, the so called "Europeans" have a genetic marker that puts then in the lands of Judea and Samaria. The so called Palestinians that have been tested show a distinct lack of any such marker and instead show a very recent lineage outside of Palestine. The Jews whether Ashkenazi or Sephardic have lived in Palestine for 5000 years the muslims barely manage 3 generations

That's all bullshit. The Palestinians, Christian and Muslim have genetic markers that places them closer to Palestine than any Jew. In fact, the Palestinians.

"RAEL: 86% of Palestinians are of Jew’s origins according to genetic evidence. Israeli need to know they are committing siblicide.
“Palestinians are direct descendants of the tribes of Israel, they are as Jewish as any Jew in the world” a study by Tsvi Misinai confirms through genetic, immunological, linguistic, geographical, anthropological and historical studies."

RAEL: 86% of Palestinians are of Jew?s origins according to genetic evidence. Israeli need to know they are committing siblicide. - Raelian Press Site


I am a white European and I have a genetic marker that places me in Africa. It doesn't mean that me and my buddies can go to South Africa throw out the locals and take over the diamond minds. What a frigging idiot you are.

Ha ha ha. Wow. Talk about bullshit, what the convert to Islam just said was pure BS.

Unless MOHOMOD can prove that Palestinians aren't anything but the same as their neighboring Arab brethren in every way, historically, culturally, and genetically who invaded the region in the 19th and 20th century, and then hijacked the name Palestinian in the 60's, you're shit outta luck.

The Palestinians are an invented people and an invented identity. They are NOT the descendants of the Jews, THE JEWS ARE. Get that through your thick terrorist worshipping skull, moron.

 

[Andylusion]

Well, a far more legitimate claim than that of a bunch of Europeans. You people haven't much education and it certainly shows, but then you have to an ignorant nitwit to support Israel. However, please memorize this, the Ottomans did not conquer Palestine until 1517. The Christians held Palestine for about hundred years between 1099 to 1187. They Christians held on to Acre for another 100 years but it was a small holding. So whether Christian or Muslim, Arab or Turk. It wasn't Jewish for sure.

Seems that you have not learnt your history little boy, the so called "Europeans" have a genetic marker that puts then in the lands of Judea and Samaria. The so called Palestinians that have been tested show a distinct lack of any such marker and instead show a very recent lineage outside of Palestine. The Jews whether Ashkenazi or Sephardic have lived in Palestine for 5000 years the muslims barely manage 3 generations

That's all bullshit. The Palestinians, Christian and Muslim have genetic markers that places them closer to Palestine than any Jew. In fact, the Palestinians.

"RAEL: 86% of Palestinians are of Jew’s origins according to genetic evidence. Israeli need to know they are committing siblicide.
“Palestinians are direct descendants of the tribes of Israel, they are as Jewish as any Jew in the world” a study by Tsvi Misinai confirms through genetic, immunological, linguistic, geographical, anthropological and historical studies."

RAEL: 86% of Palestinians are of Jew?s origins according to genetic evidence. Israeli need to know they are committing siblicide. - Raelian Press Site


I am a white European and I have a genetic marker that places me in Africa. It doesn't mean that me and my buddies can go to South Africa throw out the locals and take over the diamond minds. What a frigging idiot you are.

So irrelevant. Ethnic Arabs, are descendents of Ishmael, which was fathered by Abraham. Genetic markers would trace them back to a similar origin as Isaac.

Israel, is the ancient homeland of the Jewish people, and always has been.

Genesis 25:17-18
"Ishmael lived a hundred and thirty-seven years. He breathed his last and died, and he was gathered to his people. His descendants settled in the area from Havilah to Shur, near the eastern border of Egypt, as you go toward Ashur. And they lived in hostility toward all the tribes related to them. "

As near as we can tell from archaeology, Havilah is modern day Kuwait. Shur is a bit more ambiguous, but the limited evidence suggests just south of the the southern tip of Jordan, or the North West coast line of Saudi Arabia.

Point being, the land known as Saudi Arabia, was, and is, the homeland of the Ishmaelite people.
Prior to the violent conquest of invading Arabs under the banner of Islam, there were no known 'palestine' Arab people living in Israel.

And even then, the *ONLY* reason they could move into Israel and settle in the land, is because the Sasanian Empire, Persians (modern Iran), after the several revolts of the 500s, wiped out the local population by expelling them, enslaving them, and flat out slaughtering them.

At the peak, there were likely between 3 to 5 million Jews living in the land of Israel, before the systematic decimation of Jews started.

Yet between 700 AD to 1850s, the total number of Arabs and non-Jews living Israel was under 300,000. That's less than the number of Israelites that came from Egypt during the Exodus, which was up near 600,000.

Even the most optimistic approach, could never really suggest that the land of historic Israel was ever really occupied by Arabs.

Jerusalem itself, makes the claim of Arab domination, and religious claim, spurious. You would have to go all the way back to the 1500s, to even find a time where Jerusalem had a Muslim majority. By the 1800s, Jews were the majority. In 1920, Jews had a population of 30,000, while all others including Muslims, were only 20,000.

Even while controlled by Islamic Ottoman Empire, the city of Jerusalem, was Jewish by majority, and it was not a 'holy Islamic' site of pilgrimage.

And BTW... I love my Muslim friends, but guys I have to be honest, your claim to Jerusalem is fruity. The Qur'an 17:1, Muhammad visiting the "Sacred Mosque to the remote mosque", can no possibly be talking about Jerusalem, or the Al-Aqsa Mosque. Why? Because Muhammad died in 632 AD. There was no Mosque in Jerusalem. The Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem was not built, and didn't open until 705. In fact, there were no Muslims in Jerusalem at all until 637, 5 years after Muhammad died.

The bottom line is this.....

There is no other group, no other ethic people, no other religious order, no other language, no other culture, that has been in the land of Israel continuously for over 3,000 years..... Except the Jewish people, the Jewish religion, the Jewish Language, the Jewish Culture.

No one has been there continuously but the Jews.

People act like the Jews magically showed up in 1947. They didn't 'show up' in 1947. They never LEFT. They have ALWAYS been there. The only difference is, MORE came to Israel, because other people were killing, slaughtering, and expelling them from other lands, forcing them to Israel.

Many of the 'illegal settlements', that people are screaming about, are settlements that have existed since before the 1800s.

They were simply small un-noticed Jewish settlements. Then all these immigrants being forced out of other countries, showed up to existing settlements, and now people are screaming about it.

Kiryat Arba for example, was 'founded' in 1968, in the "west bank" area of Hebron. What a lot of people don't know, is that this settlement was "founded" in the spot of the 1929 Hebron massacre, in which 67 Jews were slaughtered, half of which were college students.

Wait wait... so you are saying there were Jews living there before the settlement existed? Before even modern Israel existed?

YES! Yes you twits! The Jews never left! They have been there CONTINUOUSLY for 3,000 YEARS!

This really isn't that hard to figure out.