Jews for Justice..... If Americans really Knew

[montelatici]

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

They are governed by Hamas...........a proxy group from Iran.................They are classified as a Terror Group from the State Department.................

You say you don't condone Terrorist Acts..................Do you consider Hamas a terrorist organization...........................What is your position of them firing rockets and missiles into Israel all the time..................................

You can't have it both ways.....................They are either Terrorists or not...................CHOOSE.

Hamas are Sunni related to the Muslim Brotherhood, they are not governed by Iran. I think you are confusing Hamas with Hezbollah.

Terrorist versus Freedom Fighter depends on point of view. To the U.S. the Afghan Muhajedin were Freedom Fighters (to the Russians terrorists) when they fought in Afghanistan against the Russian supported Afghan government and against the Russians, but their kids became terrorists when they fought against the U.S. supported Afghan government and the U.S. Funny old world.

""As a descriptor, terrorist is almost never applied rigorously and consistently to describe the tactics a group is using -- rather, it is invoked as a pejorative to vilify the actions only of groups one wishes to discredit. People who agree with the ends of the very same groups often don't think of them as terrorists, the negative connotation of which causes them to focus on what they regard as the noble ends of allies they're more likely to dub freedom fighters."

"The application of the term "Terrorist" by the U.S. Government has nothing to do with how that term is commonly understood, but is instead exploited solely as a means to punish those who defy U.S. dictates and reward those who advance American interests and those of its allies (especially Israel). Thus, this Terror group is complying with U.S. demands, has beenpreviously trained by the U.S. itself, and is perpetrating its violence on behalf of a key American client state and against a key American enemy, and -- presto -- it is no longer a "foreign Terrorist organization."

Is One Man s Terrorist Another Man s Freedom Fighter The Atlantic

 

[nat4900]

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

They are governed by Hamas...........a proxy group from Iran.................They are classified as a Terror Group from the State Department.................

You say you don't condone Terrorist Acts..................Do you consider Hamas a terrorist organization...........................What is your position of them firing rockets and missiles into Israel all the time..................................

You can't have it both ways.....................They are either Terrorists or not...................CHOOSE.

Hamas are Sunni related to the Muslim Brotherhood, they are not governed by Iran. I think you are confusing Hamas with Hezbollah.

Terrorist versus Freedom Fighter depends on point of view. To the U.S. the Afghan Muhajedin were Freedom Fighters (to the Russians terrorists) when they fought in Afghanistan against the Russian supported Afghan government and against the Russians, but their kids became terrorists when they fought against the U.S. supported Afghan government and the U.S. Funny old world.

""As a descriptor, terrorist is almost never applied rigorously and consistently to describe the tactics a group is using -- rather, it is invoked as a pejorative to vilify the actions only of groups one wishes to discredit. People who agree with the ends of the very same groups often don't think of them as terrorists, the negative connotation of which causes them to focus on what they regard as the noble ends of allies they're more likely to dub freedom fighters."

"The application of the term "Terrorist" by the U.S. Government has nothing to do with how that term is commonly understood, but is instead exploited solely as a means to punish those who defy U.S. dictates and reward those who advance American interests and those of its allies (especially Israel). Thus, this Terror group is complying with U.S. demands, has beenpreviously trained by the U.S. itself, and is perpetrating its violence on behalf of a key American client state and against a key American enemy, and -- presto -- it is no longer a "foreign Terrorist organization."

Is One Man s Terrorist Another Man s Freedom Fighter The Atlantic

Well stated.....BTW, were not the Contras a "terrorist" group? Was the IRA a "terrorist" group? Was not our own country's effort to become a nation without the boot on our neck from George III, ALSO classified as a "terrorist" group by the British?

 

[eagle1462010]

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

They are governed by Hamas...........a proxy group from Iran.................They are classified as a Terror Group from the State Department.................

You say you don't condone Terrorist Acts..................Do you consider Hamas a terrorist organization...........................What is your position of them firing rockets and missiles into Israel all the time..................................

You can't have it both ways.....................They are either Terrorists or not...................CHOOSE.

That's a 3rd grader perspective and conclusion.....

Hamas may be funded by Iran, but it is the "creation" of the unexpected consequences of Israeli government's apartheid practice toward Palestinians.
If Israel allowed the nation of Palestine to be formed, and if Israel stopped placing Palestinians on reservations. and if Israel stopped enchroaching on the little bit of land currently in the hands of Palestinians. Hamas would have no basis for their insurgency.

Although it is hard for right wingers to contemplate, I am a firm believer that the current (and some of the past) Israeli government(s) maintain their power by fanning the flames of discord which, in turn, precipitates terrorist acts against Israel and through such the fear monegring serves such government to maintain its foot on the necks of common Israelis.

The Hamas Charter, which is funded by Iran just as they fund Hezballah, doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist......................and under this Insurgency by Hamas, or Fatah, or the PLO, or the Muslim Brotherhood as they change names has had a purpose for a very long time to DESTROY ISRAEL.................

That is not a 3rd grader response..................that is the truth..............and they have fired thousands upon thousands of rockets into Israel............They have built tunnels into Israel for the sole purpose of terrorist attacks.......................

You did not answer my question. Your response was to AVOID the question................

They are considered a Terrorist Org by the United States and World..............and they are the ruling party in Gaza and the West Bank.....................With continued attacks and them vowing to destroy Israel..............Israel has no reason to REASONABLE WITH THEM................

They offer NO REASONABLE TRUCE and VIOLATED EVERY TRUCE EVER MADE................

Your non answer was an answer to me.......You support HAMAS..................a Terrorist organization...............

 

[eagle1462010]

Iran cuts Hamas funding over Syria - Telegraph

Iran has cut up to £15 million a month in funding for Hamas as punishment for the movement's backing for the uprising in Syria, the Palestinian Islamist group's leaders have admitted.

The two former close allies have also ceased military cooperation, effectively ending a warm relationship that saw Tehran provide weapons, technical know-how and military training to Hamas fighters.

The rupture has been caused by Hamas's refusal to toe the Iranian line by supporting President Bashar al-Assad, whose Alawite regime is religiously loosely related to the Shia Islam practiced by Iran's ruling theocracy.

Hamas - which runs the Gaza Strip - has sided with its Sunni co-religionists trying to unseat Mr Assad, in common with other mainly Sunni countries like Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

Ghazi Hamad, Hamas's deputy foreign minister, described relations with Iran frankly as "bad" before adding: "Diplomatically, I have to use other words."

Asked about Iranian funding, he said: "I can say it is not like the past. I cannot give you the exact amount. For supporting the Syrian revolution, we lost very much.

"I cannot deny that since 2006 Iran supported Hamas with money and many [other] things. But the situation is not like the past. I cannot say that everything is normal."

He added: "I cannot say there is military cooperation."

While Hamas officials have previously said they would not retaliate on Iran's behalf if Israel attacked the Islamic Republic's nuclear facilities - citing disagreements over Syria - they have previously been coy about funding from a country that is Shia and non-Arab.

Iran gave Hamas an estimated £13-15 million a month after its victory in the 2006 Palestinian legislative elections - enough to cover its governing budget, said Dr Adnan Abu Amer, assistant professor of political science at Gaza City's Ummah University.

Tehran still sends a "tiny amount" to maintain ties and keep its much-trumpeted support of the Palestinian cause alive, he said. But relations have been all but severed.

 

[eagle1462010]

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

They are governed by Hamas...........a proxy group from Iran.................They are classified as a Terror Group from the State Department.................

You say you don't condone Terrorist Acts..................Do you consider Hamas a terrorist organization...........................What is your position of them firing rockets and missiles into Israel all the time..................................

You can't have it both ways.....................They are either Terrorists or not...................CHOOSE.

Hamas are Sunni related to the Muslim Brotherhood, they are not governed by Iran. I think you are confusing Hamas with Hezbollah.

Terrorist versus Freedom Fighter depends on point of view. To the U.S. the Afghan Muhajedin were Freedom Fighters (to the Russians terrorists) when they fought in Afghanistan against the Russian supported Afghan government and against the Russians, but their kids became terrorists when they fought against the U.S. supported Afghan government and the U.S. Funny old world.

""As a descriptor, terrorist is almost never applied rigorously and consistently to describe the tactics a group is using -- rather, it is invoked as a pejorative to vilify the actions only of groups one wishes to discredit. People who agree with the ends of the very same groups often don't think of them as terrorists, the negative connotation of which causes them to focus on what they regard as the noble ends of allies they're more likely to dub freedom fighters."

"The application of the term "Terrorist" by the U.S. Government has nothing to do with how that term is commonly understood, but is instead exploited solely as a means to punish those who defy U.S. dictates and reward those who advance American interests and those of its allies (especially Israel). Thus, this Terror group is complying with U.S. demands, has beenpreviously trained by the U.S. itself, and is perpetrating its violence on behalf of a key American client state and against a key American enemy, and -- presto -- it is no longer a "foreign Terrorist organization."

Is One Man s Terrorist Another Man s Freedom Fighter The Atlantic

aka You call them a Freedom Fighter and I call them a Terrorist...........

And Iran has funded them in the past and that is openly admitted by Hamas...............perhaps not as much as before because of Syria...............

Israel has captured Iranian Weapons shipments destined for Hamas through Gaza..............It's a historical fact..........unless you refuse to see the forest for the trees as the anti'Semite posters here do all the time..............

The Muslim world created the problem by choosing War over Peace and the Palestinians have rejected proposals for state hood several times.............

Tis what it is.

 

[eagle1462010]

Israel halts weapons shipment from Iran - BBC News

Israel says it has seized a ship carrying advanced Iranian weapons made in Syria that was heading towards Gaza.

The Panamanian-flagged vessel was boarded by Israeli naval commandos in the Red Sea off the coast of Sudan, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said.

They found M-302 surface-to-surface missiles that were flown to Iran before being loaded onto the ship, it added.

Hamas, the militant Palestinian Islamist movement that governs Gaza, strenuously denied any involvement.

It accused Israel of concocting a story to "justify the blockade" of the coastal territory.

Israel tightly controls its border with Gaza, restricting what is allowed in for what it says are reasons crucial to its security. It also maintains a naval blockade. Egypt blockades Gaza's southern border.

Critics say the blockade is tantamount to collective punishment.

 

[eagle1462010]

As usual you guys are Lying. Typical.

 

[nat4900]

Well, Beagle......there's no convincing you beyond your prejudices......But you should know that to Palestinians, Hamas and Hezbollah are freedom fighters....of course, to Israel, they are terrorists..
You see, its a matter of perspective...and for every rocket that Hezbollah launches on Israel, Israelis bulldoze yet another Palestinian home.....and the trend will go on, keeping in power BOTH the Israeli current government AND terrorist leaders......and so it goes.

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[eagle1462010]

Well, Beagle......there's no convincing you beyond your prejudices......But you should know that to Palestinians, Hamas and Hezbollah are freedom fighters....of course, to Israel, they are terrorists..
You see, its a matter of perspective...and for every rocket that Hezbollah launches on Israel, Israelis bulldoze yet another Palestinian home.....and the trend will go on, keeping in power BOTH the Israeli current government AND terrorist leaders......and so it goes.

Of course it's a matter of perspective................You choose Hamas and won't even answer my direct question...........are they Freedom Fighters to you.....................and again I state you don't even have to answer that question as I already know the answer, which you don't have the balls to admit.

You praised the other poster for his comments, and his comments on Iran supplying Hamas is an outright LIE.............they have been giving aid and comfort to Hamas for a very long time. Over time it is very well documented............While they aren't the best of buddies Iran funds them because they are a thorn in Israel's side...............

So you were agreeing with a LIE. Which I'm used to seeing............

You say it's basically a perpetual War. No shit Sherlock............It's been going on since 1948...................and over that time it is CLEAR............The ARAB WORLD will NEVER AGREE to ANYTHING OTHER THAN the DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL.

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[eagle1462010]

Why should I care what Hamas Wants................Why should Israel.............

 

[Phoenall]

An obvious dodge. I can always tell a real leftist from an anti-semite. The real leftist will equally condemn all human rights breaches the world over without singling out the jewish state. The honest critic will put suffering in context. He will see how the average palestinian is an instrument in a much bigger conflict, how he has been betrayed by his leaders and his neighbours (all of them). But an honest liberal will see that he is living longer than his berethen in neighbouring countries and that his freedoms are seriously curtailed but that the conflict has created this reality and this suffering for Jews too.

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

If the arab muslim homes are built on stolen Jewish land then they should be bulldozed and the squatters run off. You do know that Jordan stole Jewish owned land in 1949 don't you ?

 

[Phoenall]

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

They are governed by Hamas...........a proxy group from Iran.................They are classified as a Terror Group from the State Department.................

You say you don't condone Terrorist Acts..................Do you consider Hamas a terrorist organization...........................What is your position of them firing rockets and missiles into Israel all the time..................................

You can't have it both ways.....................They are either Terrorists or not...................CHOOSE.

That's a 3rd grader perspective and conclusion.....

Hamas may be funded by Iran, but it is the "creation" of the unexpected consequences of Israeli government's apartheid practice toward Palestinians.
If Israel allowed the nation of Palestine to be formed, and if Israel stopped placing Palestinians on reservations. and if Israel stopped enchroaching on the little bit of land currently in the hands of Palestinians. Hamas would have no basis for their insurgency.

Although it is hard for right wingers to contemplate, I am a firm believer that the current (and some of the past) Israeli government(s) maintain their power by fanning the flames of discord which, in turn, precipitates terrorist acts against Israel and through such the fear monegring serves such government to maintain its foot on the necks of common Israelis.

In 1988 the Palestinians declared independence and the nation of Palestine was born. So how did Israel stop this from happening.
What apartheid practises does Israel have inside its borders and on its land ? Don't count the west bank as that is not Israeli land
The simple answer is for the arab muslims to comply with their promises and negotiate a peace settlement and mutual borders.

It is very hard for left wingers to see that the arab muslims don't want a two state solution or peace with Israel. They want an Islamic state run by the likes of IS and the genocide of the Jews as commanded by their god in 635 C.E.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

If the arab muslim homes are built on stolen Jewish land then they should be bulldozed and the squatters run off. You do know that Jordan stole Jewish owned land in 1949 don't you ?

What do the Palestinians have to do with Jordan?

 

[Phoenall]

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

They are governed by Hamas...........a proxy group from Iran.................They are classified as a Terror Group from the State Department.................

You say you don't condone Terrorist Acts..................Do you consider Hamas a terrorist organization...........................What is your position of them firing rockets and missiles into Israel all the time..................................

You can't have it both ways.....................They are either Terrorists or not...................CHOOSE.

Hamas are Sunni related to the Muslim Brotherhood, they are not governed by Iran. I think you are confusing Hamas with Hezbollah.

Terrorist versus Freedom Fighter depends on point of view. To the U.S. the Afghan Muhajedin were Freedom Fighters (to the Russians terrorists) when they fought in Afghanistan against the Russian supported Afghan government and against the Russians, but their kids became terrorists when they fought against the U.S. supported Afghan government and the U.S. Funny old world.

""As a descriptor, terrorist is almost never applied rigorously and consistently to describe the tactics a group is using -- rather, it is invoked as a pejorative to vilify the actions only of groups one wishes to discredit. People who agree with the ends of the very same groups often don't think of them as terrorists, the negative connotation of which causes them to focus on what they regard as the noble ends of allies they're more likely to dub freedom fighters."

"The application of the term "Terrorist" by the U.S. Government has nothing to do with how that term is commonly understood, but is instead exploited solely as a means to punish those who defy U.S. dictates and reward those who advance American interests and those of its allies (especially Israel). Thus, this Terror group is complying with U.S. demands, has beenpreviously trained by the U.S. itself, and is perpetrating its violence on behalf of a key American client state and against a key American enemy, and -- presto -- it is no longer a "foreign Terrorist organization."

Is One Man s Terrorist Another Man s Freedom Fighter The Atlantic

MORE RACIST LIES BREVA look at the grad rockets fired from gaza with made in iran painted all over them

 

[P F Tinmore]

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

They are governed by Hamas...........a proxy group from Iran.................They are classified as a Terror Group from the State Department.................

You say you don't condone Terrorist Acts..................Do you consider Hamas a terrorist organization...........................What is your position of them firing rockets and missiles into Israel all the time..................................

You can't have it both ways.....................They are either Terrorists or not...................CHOOSE.

Hamas are Sunni related to the Muslim Brotherhood, they are not governed by Iran. I think you are confusing Hamas with Hezbollah.

Terrorist versus Freedom Fighter depends on point of view. To the U.S. the Afghan Muhajedin were Freedom Fighters (to the Russians terrorists) when they fought in Afghanistan against the Russian supported Afghan government and against the Russians, but their kids became terrorists when they fought against the U.S. supported Afghan government and the U.S. Funny old world.

""As a descriptor, terrorist is almost never applied rigorously and consistently to describe the tactics a group is using -- rather, it is invoked as a pejorative to vilify the actions only of groups one wishes to discredit. People who agree with the ends of the very same groups often don't think of them as terrorists, the negative connotation of which causes them to focus on what they regard as the noble ends of allies they're more likely to dub freedom fighters."

"The application of the term "Terrorist" by the U.S. Government has nothing to do with how that term is commonly understood, but is instead exploited solely as a means to punish those who defy U.S. dictates and reward those who advance American interests and those of its allies (especially Israel). Thus, this Terror group is complying with U.S. demands, has beenpreviously trained by the U.S. itself, and is perpetrating its violence on behalf of a key American client state and against a key American enemy, and -- presto -- it is no longer a "foreign Terrorist organization."

Is One Man s Terrorist Another Man s Freedom Fighter The Atlantic

MORE RACIST LIES BREVA look at the grad rockets fired from gaza with made in iran painted all over them

Where is the lie?

 

[Phoenall]

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

If the arab muslim homes are built on stolen Jewish land then they should be bulldozed and the squatters run off. You do know that Jordan stole Jewish owned land in 1949 don't you ?

What do the Palestinians have to do with Jordan?

They accepted Jordan rule in 1948 and became citizens of Jordan, so by free determination they lost their Palestinian identity and became Jordanians. They even sided with the Jordanian troops in killing Jews in the west bank. They just as quickly shit in their own nest and became Palestinians again in 1988.

 

[Phoenall]

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

They are governed by Hamas...........a proxy group from Iran.................They are classified as a Terror Group from the State Department.................

You say you don't condone Terrorist Acts..................Do you consider Hamas a terrorist organization...........................What is your position of them firing rockets and missiles into Israel all the time..................................

You can't have it both ways.....................They are either Terrorists or not...................CHOOSE.

Hamas are Sunni related to the Muslim Brotherhood, they are not governed by Iran. I think you are confusing Hamas with Hezbollah.

Terrorist versus Freedom Fighter depends on point of view. To the U.S. the Afghan Muhajedin were Freedom Fighters (to the Russians terrorists) when they fought in Afghanistan against the Russian supported Afghan government and against the Russians, but their kids became terrorists when they fought against the U.S. supported Afghan government and the U.S. Funny old world.

""As a descriptor, terrorist is almost never applied rigorously and consistently to describe the tactics a group is using -- rather, it is invoked as a pejorative to vilify the actions only of groups one wishes to discredit. People who agree with the ends of the very same groups often don't think of them as terrorists, the negative connotation of which causes them to focus on what they regard as the noble ends of allies they're more likely to dub freedom fighters."

"The application of the term "Terrorist" by the U.S. Government has nothing to do with how that term is commonly understood, but is instead exploited solely as a means to punish those who defy U.S. dictates and reward those who advance American interests and those of its allies (especially Israel). Thus, this Terror group is complying with U.S. demands, has beenpreviously trained by the U.S. itself, and is perpetrating its violence on behalf of a key American client state and against a key American enemy, and -- presto -- it is no longer a "foreign Terrorist organization."

Is One Man s Terrorist Another Man s Freedom Fighter The Atlantic

MORE RACIST LIES BREVA look at the grad rockets fired from gaza with made in iran painted all over them

Where is the lie?

Read the post again

 

[nat4900]

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

They are governed by Hamas...........a proxy group from Iran.................They are classified as a Terror Group from the State Department.................

You say you don't condone Terrorist Acts..................Do you consider Hamas a terrorist organization...........................What is your position of them firing rockets and missiles into Israel all the time..................................

You can't have it both ways.....................They are either Terrorists or not...................CHOOSE.

That's a 3rd grader perspective and conclusion.....

Hamas may be funded by Iran, but it is the "creation" of the unexpected consequences of Israeli government's apartheid practice toward Palestinians.
If Israel allowed the nation of Palestine to be formed, and if Israel stopped placing Palestinians on reservations. and if Israel stopped enchroaching on the little bit of land currently in the hands of Palestinians. Hamas would have no basis for their insurgency.

Although it is hard for right wingers to contemplate, I am a firm believer that the current (and some of the past) Israeli government(s) maintain their power by fanning the flames of discord which, in turn, precipitates terrorist acts against Israel and through such the fear monegring serves such government to maintain its foot on the necks of common Israelis.

In 1988 the Palestinians declared independence and the nation of Palestine was born. So how did Israel stop this from happening.
What apartheid practises does Israel have inside its borders and on its land ? Don't count the west bank as that is not Israeli land
The simple answer is for the arab muslims to comply with their promises and negotiate a peace settlement and mutual borders.

It is very hard for left wingers to see that the arab muslims don't want a two state solution or peace with Israel. They want an Islamic state run by the likes of IS and the genocide of the Jews as commanded by their god in 635 C.E.

It is a waste of time to have right wingers comprehend what "state" the Palestinians have declared in 1988........But, for others who are a bit brighter, let me explain:

The PLO declared a Palestinian state as a "de jure" state....in legal terms, that is "a state without territory".......in other words, the PLO claimed a state wihich encompasses land that is CONTROLLED BY THE ISRAELIS.

Therefore, it is not a defacto state ....nore like a state whose leadership is in exile (like the French did in WWII)