Jews for Justice..... If Americans really Knew

[Phoenall]

Because it hasn't worked well anywhere else in the middle east. Pretty obvious answer I'd say.

Linkiloo, notice how the scumbag focuses purely on Israel, demanding that Israel become secular, granting absolute democratic rights to all - but not a ******* peep on any of the 22 arab countries doing the same. Hypocritical dogshit masquerading as a poster.

I'll say it one more time, this forum is about Israel and Palestine and the conflict. that's why I post about it here. Seemples.

An obvious dodge. I can always tell a real leftist from an anti-semite. The real leftist will equally condemn all human rights breaches the world over without singling out the jewish state. The honest critic will put suffering in context. He will see how the average palestinian is an instrument in a much bigger conflict, how he has been betrayed by his leaders and his neighbours (all of them). But an honest liberal will see that he is living longer than his berethen in neighbouring countries and that his freedoms are seriously curtailed but that the conflict has created this reality and this suffering for Jews too.

Not true.

If you stop using Israeli propaganda as your only source of information, you will find that activists are also involved in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc..

Not true because it shows you for what you are a moronic islamonazi stooge

 

[Phoenall]

Linkiloo, notice how the scumbag focuses purely on Israel, demanding that Israel become secular, granting absolute democratic rights to all - but not a ******* peep on any of the 22 arab countries doing the same. Hypocritical dogshit masquerading as a poster.

I'll say it one more time, this forum is about Israel and Palestine and the conflict. that's why I post about it here. Seemples.

An obvious dodge. I can always tell a real leftist from an anti-semite. The real leftist will equally condemn all human rights breaches the world over without singling out the jewish state. The honest critic will put suffering in context. He will see how the average palestinian is an instrument in a much bigger conflict, how he has been betrayed by his leaders and his neighbours (all of them). But an honest liberal will see that he is living longer than his berethen in neighbouring countries and that his freedoms are seriously curtailed but that the conflict has created this reality and this suffering for Jews too.

Not true.

If you stop using Israeli propaganda as your only source of information, you will find that activists are also involved in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc..

Not true because it shows you for what you are a moronic islamonazi stooge

Code Pink who has been blasted by Israeli propagandists for visiting Gaza several times also protests other wars.

And they should be arrested for treason and thrown into jail.

 

[Challenger]

Why should it be secular, this works for every Islamic state ?

True and an interesting question.....Which, in turn, raises another question:

Why, then, should Israel be treated by us (in support, intelligence sharing, and funds, etc.) any different than we treat a Jordan or Algeria or (dare I say) Iran?

As a country, we have never been too fond of any government that placed religious ideology before secular neutrality.

Because it allows the west a foothold in the M.E. in case of attack from Russia or China. Israel provides the west with realistically priced Pharmaceuticals and medical supplies when ever we need them. Israel shares its defence strategy and infrastructure with the west out of goodwill. What does islam share apart from aggression and terrorism............[/QUOTE]

OIL (just ask Cheney)......lol

(Oh, you're really worried that China and/or Russia is planning an attack and that Israel will defend us?)

Reading what is not written shows a lack of intelligence, I said Israel allows the west a foothold in case of attack, and acts as an early warning system. But I see the rest went over your head and did not even ruffle your hair.

Actually the ability to "read between the lines" demonstrates a much higher order of intelligence than taking things literally.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I'll say it one more time, this forum is about Israel and Palestine and the conflict. that's why I post about it here. Seemples.

An obvious dodge. I can always tell a real leftist from an anti-semite. The real leftist will equally condemn all human rights breaches the world over without singling out the jewish state. The honest critic will put suffering in context. He will see how the average palestinian is an instrument in a much bigger conflict, how he has been betrayed by his leaders and his neighbours (all of them). But an honest liberal will see that he is living longer than his berethen in neighbouring countries and that his freedoms are seriously curtailed but that the conflict has created this reality and this suffering for Jews too.

Not true.

If you stop using Israeli propaganda as your only source of information, you will find that activists are also involved in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc..

Not true because it shows you for what you are a moronic islamonazi stooge

Code Pink who has been blasted by Israeli propagandists for visiting Gaza several times also protests other wars.

And they should be arrested for treason and thrown into jail.

Under what grounds? That they oppose the illegal actions of our government?

 

[Challenger]

Didn't have to, it was their land, they were already there.

Whose land? It was already proven that the arabs were immigrants, and the arab landowners sold most of their property to jews.

No it has been proven that European Jews were the immigrants/settlers/invaders of Palestine. Why do you bullshit? There are plenty of UN and LoN reports that say as much. Why do you constantly lie?

Cant find one that says the European Jews were invaders, can you help and post them for me.. Or is this another of your LIES

Ignore him, he's just trolling again.

 

[Challenger]

Because it hasn't worked well anywhere else in the middle east. Pretty obvious answer I'd say.

Linkiloo, notice how the scumbag focuses purely on Israel, demanding that Israel become secular, granting absolute democratic rights to all - but not a ******* peep on any of the 22 arab countries doing the same. Hypocritical dogshit masquerading as a poster.

I'll say it one more time, this forum is about Israel and Palestine and the conflict. that's why I post about it here. Seemples.

An obvious dodge. I can always tell a real leftist from an anti-semite. The real leftist will equally condemn all human rights breaches the world over without singling out the jewish state. The honest critic will put suffering in context. He will see how the average palestinian is an instrument in a much bigger conflict, how he has been betrayed by his leaders and his neighbours (all of them). But an honest liberal will see that he is living longer than his berethen in neighbouring countries and that his freedoms are seriously curtailed but that the conflict has created this reality and this suffering for Jews too.

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

 

[Challenger]

Because it hasn't worked well anywhere else in the middle east. Pretty obvious answer I'd say.

Linkiloo, notice how the scumbag focuses purely on Israel, demanding that Israel become secular, granting absolute democratic rights to all - but not a ******* peep on any of the 22 arab countries doing the same. Hypocritical dogshit masquerading as a poster.

I am always looking for real and fair critics of policy and with them I enjoy debating. However if a poster holds Israel to higher standards than others in the region, I have to wonder why that is. If a poster calls on Israel to open up access to Gaza, I ask, whx not call Egypt on that? If Israel is being called to task for killing civilians in war, why not call the US to task or even closer to home, Syria? Israeli wrongdoing must be put in context or it can only be a front for Jew-hate.

 

[Phoenall]

Why should it be secular, this works for every Islamic state ?

True and an interesting question.....Which, in turn, raises another question:

Why, then, should Israel be treated by us (in support, intelligence sharing, and funds, etc.) any different than we treat a Jordan or Algeria or (dare I say) Iran?

As a country, we have never been too fond of any government that placed religious ideology before secular neutrality.

Because it allows the west a foothold in the M.E. in case of attack from Russia or China. Israel provides the west with realistically priced Pharmaceuticals and medical supplies when ever we need them. Israel shares its defence strategy and infrastructure with the west out of goodwill. What does islam share apart from aggression and terrorism............[/QUOTE]

OIL (just ask Cheney)......lol

(Oh, you're really worried that China and/or Russia is planning an attack and that Israel will defend us?)

Reading what is not written shows a lack of intelligence, I said Israel allows the west a foothold in case of attack, and acts as an early warning system. But I see the rest went over your head and did not even ruffle your hair.

Actually the ability to "read between the lines" demonstrates a much higher order of intelligence than taking things literally.

But I did not say reading between the lines did I, I said reading what is not there. As in putting your own words to what was really said to twist and manipulate them to suit your POV. A bit like the arab muslims insistence in putting THE into UN res 242

 

[Phoenall]

An obvious dodge. I can always tell a real leftist from an anti-semite. The real leftist will equally condemn all human rights breaches the world over without singling out the jewish state. The honest critic will put suffering in context. He will see how the average palestinian is an instrument in a much bigger conflict, how he has been betrayed by his leaders and his neighbours (all of them). But an honest liberal will see that he is living longer than his berethen in neighbouring countries and that his freedoms are seriously curtailed but that the conflict has created this reality and this suffering for Jews too.

Not true.

If you stop using Israeli propaganda as your only source of information, you will find that activists are also involved in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc..

Not true because it shows you for what you are a moronic islamonazi stooge

Code Pink who has been blasted by Israeli propagandists for visiting Gaza several times also protests other wars.

And they should be arrested for treason and thrown into jail.

Under what grounds? That they oppose the illegal actions of our government?

Only illegal to you, to the majority of people they are not going far enough.

 

[jillian]

Maybe it was too much to read......???

or maybe anti-semites who try to rely on jews are boring.

 

[Phoenall]

Because it hasn't worked well anywhere else in the middle east. Pretty obvious answer I'd say.

Linkiloo, notice how the scumbag focuses purely on Israel, demanding that Israel become secular, granting absolute democratic rights to all - but not a ******* peep on any of the 22 arab countries doing the same. Hypocritical dogshit masquerading as a poster.

I'll say it one more time, this forum is about Israel and Palestine and the conflict. that's why I post about it here. Seemples.

An obvious dodge. I can always tell a real leftist from an anti-semite. The real leftist will equally condemn all human rights breaches the world over without singling out the jewish state. The honest critic will put suffering in context. He will see how the average palestinian is an instrument in a much bigger conflict, how he has been betrayed by his leaders and his neighbours (all of them). But an honest liberal will see that he is living longer than his berethen in neighbouring countries and that his freedoms are seriously curtailed but that the conflict has created this reality and this suffering for Jews too.

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

 

[Phoenall]

Because it hasn't worked well anywhere else in the middle east. Pretty obvious answer I'd say.

Linkiloo, notice how the scumbag focuses purely on Israel, demanding that Israel become secular, granting absolute democratic rights to all - but not a ******* peep on any of the 22 arab countries doing the same. Hypocritical dogshit masquerading as a poster.

I am always looking for real and fair critics of policy and with them I enjoy debating. However if a poster holds Israel to higher standards than others in the region, I have to wonder why that is. If a poster calls on Israel to open up access to Gaza, I ask, whx not call Egypt on that? If Israel is being called to task for killing civilians in war, why not call the US to task or even closer to home, Syria? Israeli wrongdoing must be put in context or it can only be a front for Jew-hate.

You would know all about that the amount you spew out

 

[nat4900]

Because it hasn't worked well anywhere else in the middle east. Pretty obvious answer I'd say.

Linkiloo, notice how the scumbag focuses purely on Israel, demanding that Israel become secular, granting absolute democratic rights to all - but not a ******* peep on any of the 22 arab countries doing the same. Hypocritical dogshit masquerading as a poster.

I'll say it one more time, this forum is about Israel and Palestine and the conflict. that's why I post about it here. Seemples.

An obvious dodge. I can always tell a real leftist from an anti-semite. The real leftist will equally condemn all human rights breaches the world over without singling out the jewish state. The honest critic will put suffering in context. He will see how the average palestinian is an instrument in a much bigger conflict, how he has been betrayed by his leaders and his neighbours (all of them). But an honest liberal will see that he is living longer than his berethen in neighbouring countries and that his freedoms are seriously curtailed but that the conflict has created this reality and this suffering for Jews too.

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

 

[eagle1462010]

Linkiloo, notice how the scumbag focuses purely on Israel, demanding that Israel become secular, granting absolute democratic rights to all - but not a ******* peep on any of the 22 arab countries doing the same. Hypocritical dogshit masquerading as a poster.

I'll say it one more time, this forum is about Israel and Palestine and the conflict. that's why I post about it here. Seemples.

An obvious dodge. I can always tell a real leftist from an anti-semite. The real leftist will equally condemn all human rights breaches the world over without singling out the jewish state. The honest critic will put suffering in context. He will see how the average palestinian is an instrument in a much bigger conflict, how he has been betrayed by his leaders and his neighbours (all of them). But an honest liberal will see that he is living longer than his berethen in neighbouring countries and that his freedoms are seriously curtailed but that the conflict has created this reality and this suffering for Jews too.

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

 

[Phoenall]

Linkiloo, notice how the scumbag focuses purely on Israel, demanding that Israel become secular, granting absolute democratic rights to all - but not a ******* peep on any of the 22 arab countries doing the same. Hypocritical dogshit masquerading as a poster.

I'll say it one more time, this forum is about Israel and Palestine and the conflict. that's why I post about it here. Seemples.

An obvious dodge. I can always tell a real leftist from an anti-semite. The real leftist will equally condemn all human rights breaches the world over without singling out the jewish state. The honest critic will put suffering in context. He will see how the average palestinian is an instrument in a much bigger conflict, how he has been betrayed by his leaders and his neighbours (all of them). But an honest liberal will see that he is living longer than his berethen in neighbouring countries and that his freedoms are seriously curtailed but that the conflict has created this reality and this suffering for Jews too.

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Islamonazi propaganda as Isreal has colonised nowhere it doesn't have a legal right to colonise. You forget that from 635C.E. the arab muslims have subjugated the Jews and Christians in the M.E. and all the blood spilt has been as a direct result of arab muslim attempted world domination. Now we have a strong Jewish presence in the M.E. the cancer of islam has been stopped from spreading.

 

[nat4900]

I'll say it one more time, this forum is about Israel and Palestine and the conflict. that's why I post about it here. Seemples.

An obvious dodge. I can always tell a real leftist from an anti-semite. The real leftist will equally condemn all human rights breaches the world over without singling out the jewish state. The honest critic will put suffering in context. He will see how the average palestinian is an instrument in a much bigger conflict, how he has been betrayed by his leaders and his neighbours (all of them). But an honest liberal will see that he is living longer than his berethen in neighbouring countries and that his freedoms are seriously curtailed but that the conflict has created this reality and this suffering for Jews too.

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

 

[eagle1462010]

An obvious dodge. I can always tell a real leftist from an anti-semite. The real leftist will equally condemn all human rights breaches the world over without singling out the jewish state. The honest critic will put suffering in context. He will see how the average palestinian is an instrument in a much bigger conflict, how he has been betrayed by his leaders and his neighbours (all of them). But an honest liberal will see that he is living longer than his berethen in neighbouring countries and that his freedoms are seriously curtailed but that the conflict has created this reality and this suffering for Jews too.

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

An obvious dodge. I can always tell a real leftist from an anti-semite. The real leftist will equally condemn all human rights breaches the world over without singling out the jewish state. The honest critic will put suffering in context. He will see how the average palestinian is an instrument in a much bigger conflict, how he has been betrayed by his leaders and his neighbours (all of them). But an honest liberal will see that he is living longer than his berethen in neighbouring countries and that his freedoms are seriously curtailed but that the conflict has created this reality and this suffering for Jews too.

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

They are governed by Hamas...........a proxy group from Iran.................They are classified as a Terror Group from the State Department.................

You say you don't condone Terrorist Acts..................Do you consider Hamas a terrorist organization...........................What is your position of them firing rockets and missiles into Israel all the time..................................

You can't have it both ways.....................They are either Terrorists or not...................CHOOSE.

 

[eagle1462010]

The Religion of Peace............

List of their documented Caliphates......................over time..........

List of Caliphs - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[nat4900]

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

They are governed by Hamas...........a proxy group from Iran.................They are classified as a Terror Group from the State Department.................

You say you don't condone Terrorist Acts..................Do you consider Hamas a terrorist organization...........................What is your position of them firing rockets and missiles into Israel all the time..................................

You can't have it both ways.....................They are either Terrorists or not...................CHOOSE.

That's a 3rd grader perspective and conclusion.....

Hamas may be funded by Iran, but it is the "creation" of the unexpected consequences of Israeli government's apartheid practice toward Palestinians.
If Israel allowed the nation of Palestine to be formed, and if Israel stopped placing Palestinians on reservations. and if Israel stopped enchroaching on the little bit of land currently in the hands of Palestinians. Hamas would have no basis for their insurgency.

Although it is hard for right wingers to contemplate, I am a firm believer that the current (and some of the past) Israeli government(s) maintain their power by fanning the flames of discord which, in turn, precipitates terrorist acts against Israel and through such the fear monegring serves such government to maintain its foot on the necks of common Israelis.

 

[nat4900]

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

...and as I stated, NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts.....
PLease bear in mind that the genocide by the Nazi were done under a "Christian" banner.....and if we go back in history (as you apparently want to do) our own country is not innocent.

I am talking about Palestinians whose homes are bulldozed to make room for Israeli settlers......If such continues, Israel will have NO support (except for the Jewsih lobby in the US congress) from any other nation on the planet.

They are governed by Hamas...........a proxy group from Iran.................They are classified as a Terror Group from the State Department.................

You say you don't condone Terrorist Acts..................Do you consider Hamas a terrorist organization...........................What is your position of them firing rockets and missiles into Israel all the time..................................

You can't have it both ways.....................They are either Terrorists or not...................CHOOSE.

That's a 3rd grader perspective and conclusion.....

Hamas may be funded by Iran, but it is the "creation" of the unexpected consequences of Israeli government's apartheid practice toward Palestinians.
If Israel allowed the nation of Palestine to be formed, and if Israel stopped placing Palestinians on reservations. and if Israel stopped enchroaching on the little bit of land currently in the hands of Palestinians. Hamas would have no basis for their insurgency.

Although it is hard for right wingers to contemplate, I am a firm believer that the current (and some of the past) Israeli government(s) maintain their power by fanning the flames of discord which, in turn, precipitates terrorist acts against Israel and through such the fear monegring serves such government to maintain its foot on the necks of common Israelis.