Jesus the Socialist

[norwegen]

A radical who fought for social justice.

He was on the side of the Angels on pretty much everything and his message was as clear as it gets.

Anti War - Blessed are the Peacemakers.

Healing the sick - He didnt turn away people without cover.

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. He didnt say "apart from fags".

If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. - Co-operation not competition, we work together to build a better world.

Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to cast a stone. - Apart from when its trannys who deserve to die !

Give to everyone who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them. - Strong supporter of welfare.

All the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, you shall not kill, you shall not steal, you shall not covet, and so on, are summed up in this single command: You must love your neighbor as yourself. - No T and Cs on this. We are all neighbours and entitled. He doesnt exclude any group.

How have his teachings become twisted into hate by false prophets ?

How has he been appropriated by the Right ?

Then why are socialists and other lefties less likely to be Christians than freedom-loving people are?

 

[Coyote]

Many so-called "freedom loving" righties only love freedom for certain categories of folks.

Anyone can call themselves a Christian.

 

[Coyote]

Welfare is superior to charity in that it allows the recipient to retain some dignity.

We are entitled to welfare because we have paid our taxes. It is there for all of us and is a right.

1. The argument is that people like those committing crimes that get them stuck in prison at 50K a year (and then can't work but end up on welfare after that) are costing taxpayers who are working and paying in.

Tommy Tainant if we who pay taxes are getting the welfare we are entitled to, then why are people in prison getting their health care and housing paid for by taxes, while people who don't commit crimes are fined for not paying ADDITIONAL money for insurance?

Why isn't our health care already paid for if we are paying 50K a year for each person in prison?

Are you sure these people are paying for what they are getting?

2. what allows DIGNITY is free choice and CONSENT.

so Tommy Tainant if you CONSENT to pay for welfare through govt, then you see this as dignified. If someone consents to receive welfare this way, they may see it as dignified.

Can you speak for yourself and not assume you speak for others who DON'T consent to keep paying for others while not getting their benefits paid for?

one of my friends, a lifelong Democrat who votes straight D tickets without exception, HATES having to go through the county hospital system and beg for appts at the mercy of govt.

he would LOVE I mean LOVE to have the benefits that people in govt have that is paid for by taxpayers.

His question is why are we paying for officials to have top health care, while they don't give us jack and we are expected to pay higher rates or else be fined?

Where is the dignity in taxation without representation?

Clearly Tommy Tainant if you believe this represents you and give you a sense of dignity and security, GREAT!

But what about other people?

I have felt like a SLAVE trying to pay the costs of govt, not just the damage done to my neighborhood by govt abuses that nonprofit volunteers had to repair ourselves, but to add the health care insurance mandates ON TOP of what I am already covering was the straw that broke the camel's back.

If you consent to this, that is your choice,

What makes you think you have the right to dictate that for someone else?

You need to focus your thoughts as this just reads as a whinge about taxation.

If you just dont want to help the poor then say so.

For myself I would rather help my neighbour to feed his kids than bomb Syrian hospitals.

What would Jesus prefer ?

I don't think Jesus cared about government institutions or the politics of welfare. His words were more about personal responsibility to the poor, and also in giving them dignity by not degrading them. It was a call for personal action, not government reform. Don't get me wrong - I'm not against welfare, because charity alone was not enough during hard times, and human dignity was too often missing from the equation.

 

[Coyote]

A radical who fought for social justice.

He was on the side of the Angels on pretty much everything and his message was as clear as it gets.

Anti War - Blessed are the Peacemakers.

Healing the sick - He didnt turn away people without cover.

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. He didnt say "apart from fags".

If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. - Co-operation not competition, we work together to build a better world.

Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to cast a stone. - Apart from when its trannys who deserve to die !

Give to everyone who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them. - Strong supporter of welfare.

All the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, you shall not kill, you shall not steal, you shall not covet, and so on, are summed up in this single command: You must love your neighbor as yourself. - No T and Cs on this. We are all neighbours and entitled. He doesnt exclude any group.

How have his teachings become twisted into hate by false prophets ?

How has he been appropriated by the Right ?

Blessed are the Peacemakers is anti-War? It is post-War, in fact.

Jesus fought FOR social justice? No. Jesus exercised social justice.

Interesting distinction...I did not think of it in that way.

 

[norwegen]

Many so-called "freedom loving" righties only love freedom for certain categories of folks.

Anyone can call themselves a Christian.

Yes, so-called freedom-loving righties love freedom for certain folks. You are correct.

 

[Weatherman2020]

jesus is my hero. he is a hyper-rebel.

In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

I find it interesting that 1984 quotes are made so often now.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Remember when Jesus chided the Roman to "pay their fair share "?

Progressives are evil

If you are going to quote something then google it first and find the cite.

Otherwise you are just promulgating a hear-say fallacy.

Clearly you don't know dick about Jesus. He never said that, that's my way of mocking Progressives

 

[Weatherman2020]

This all sounds like verbose Protestant bullsh!t to me.

I already know what Protestants believe.

If you are a Protestant I strongly suggest that you read the New Testament and do exactly what Jesus said.

That may or may NOT be what your Protestant minister tells you.

Like what?
And who in hell (literally) said you are not saved by grace alone?

 

[Weatherman2020]

 

[Weatherman2020]

Many so-called "freedom loving" righties only love freedom for certain categories of folks.

Anyone can call themselves a Christian.

Like Obama, Hillary, Trump, Pelosi.

 

[theHawk]

There seems to be some confusion here.
Socialism is based on his teachings and not the other way round.

Wealth redistribution
Free healthcare
Love thy neighbour
Big tent.

Its all about fairness and social justice.

All of the confusion is on your part.

Socialism is based off the teachings of Karl Marx:

Wealth confiscation
Government oversight in all personal matters
Alienation
Divisiveness

 

[Tommy Tainant]

FYI - Thread is no longer in CDZ, but in Religion (Zone 2 rules apply)

I will leave the thread here then.It is only going to go one way.

 

[koshergrl]

Wrong, as usual. Not a "supporter of welfare", he was a supporter of charity. There is a difference. I fyou are confused as to what that is, invest in a dictionary.

One man helping another and getting help in return is not charity it is welfare. None of us want to see our neighbours struggle. Its good socialism with Christian roots.

Dear Tommy Tainant
1. helping each other with FAITH that what comes around goes around is charity, the point is to be unconditional and to give and share for its own sake. And yes this can be based on faith it's for the greater good, benefiting all people, and it's still charity.

2. doing things by CONDITION or EXPECTATION of reward is neither charity or welfare.

What do you mean by that?

3. And would you be okay with replacing welfare with microlending where people are mentored to follow a business or educational plan to pay back what they borrow so this is paid forward to help the next person.

Both Obama and Carson believe in microlending as the better way to help people break out of poverty.

Isn't there a better way to teach people "how to fish" rather than just keep fishing and feeding them by handouts?

Welfare is superior to charity in that it allows the recipient to retain some dignity.

We are entitled to welfare because we have paid our taxes. It is there for all of us and is a right.

No, it is not a right. And anybody can get entitlements....they don't have to have ever have paid taxes, and many of.them never have.

There is no dignity in receiving welfare. What a remarkably stupid sentiment. If instead of being one of the mentally ill entitlement dependents, you were a normally functioning adult with a reasonable.degree of exposure to the world, youbwould know that.

 

[yiostheoy]

This all sounds like verbose Protestant bullsh!t to me.

I already know what Protestants believe.

If you are a Protestant I strongly suggest that you read the New Testament and do exactly what Jesus said.

That may or may NOT be what your Protestant minister tells you.

Like what?
And who in hell (literally) said you are not saved by grace alone?

Start by reading Matthew Chap. 25.

Memorize it.

 

[BULLDOG]

Jesus was killed for no other reason than to atone for the sins of mankind and bring about the resurrection of the dead.

John 10:17-18
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

I'm pretty sure that the people who killed him had other reasons.

 

[Andylusion]

A radical who fought for social justice.

He was on the side of the Angels on pretty much everything and his message was as clear as it gets.

Anti War - Blessed are the Peacemakers.

Healing the sick - He didnt turn away people without cover.

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. He didnt say "apart from fags".

If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. - Co-operation not competition, we work together to build a better world.

Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to cast a stone. - Apart from when its trannys who deserve to die !

Give to everyone who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them. - Strong supporter of welfare.

All the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, you shall not kill, you shall not steal, you shall not covet, and so on, are summed up in this single command: You must love your neighbor as yourself. - No T and Cs on this. We are all neighbours and entitled. He doesnt exclude any group.

How have his teachings become twisted into hate by false prophets ?

How has he been appropriated by the Right ?

Everything you said was true, and does not contradict the fact Homosexuality is a sin, and no Christian can engage in homosexuality and be a follower of Jesus. Nor does it support Socialism.

Go, and sin no more.

 

[Andylusion]

A radical who fought for social justice.

He was on the side of the Angels on pretty much everything and his message was as clear as it gets.

Anti War - Blessed are the Peacemakers.

Healing the sick - He didnt turn away people without cover.

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. He didnt say "apart from fags".

If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. - Co-operation not competition, we work together to build a better world.

Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to cast a stone. - Apart from when its trannys who deserve to die !

Give to everyone who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them. - Strong supporter of welfare.

All the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, you shall not kill, you shall not steal, you shall not covet, and so on, are summed up in this single command: You must love your neighbor as yourself. - No T and Cs on this. We are all neighbours and entitled. He doesnt exclude any group.

How have his teachings become twisted into hate by false prophets ?

How has he been appropriated by the Right ?

He did everything through charity, not government.

He wasnt a government so your argument is flawed. He encouraged people to pay their taxes. Thats a left wing stance as only billionaires dodge their fair share.

I never said Jesus was "a government" so your rebuttal is flawed.

Aye, he encouraged people to pay their taxes, as do I. Paying the taxes you owe doesn't make one a socialist, so your arguement is flawed.

Believing that the Rich should pay more makes him a socialist.

Where is that in the Bible.

 

[koshergrl]

A radical who fought for social justice.

He was on the side of the Angels on pretty much everything and his message was as clear as it gets.

Anti War - Blessed are the Peacemakers.

Healing the sick - He didnt turn away people without cover.

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. He didnt say "apart from fags".

If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. - Co-operation not competition, we work together to build a better world.

Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to cast a stone. - Apart from when its trannys who deserve to die !

Give to everyone who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them. - Strong supporter of welfare.

All the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, you shall not kill, you shall not steal, you shall not covet, and so on, are summed up in this single command: You must love your neighbor as yourself. - No T and Cs on this. We are all neighbours and entitled. He doesnt exclude any group.

How have his teachings become twisted into hate by false prophets ?

How has he been appropriated by the Right ?

He did everything through charity, not government.

He wasnt a government so your argument is flawed. He encouraged people to pay their taxes. Thats a left wing stance as only billionaires dodge their fair share.

I never said Jesus was "a government" so your rebuttal is flawed.

Aye, he encouraged people to pay their taxes, as do I. Paying the taxes you owe doesn't make one a socialist, so your arguement is flawed.

Believing that the Rich should pay more makes him a socialist.

Where is that in the Bible.

It isn't lol.

 

[Weatherman2020]

This all sounds like verbose Protestant bullsh!t to me.

I already know what Protestants believe.

If you are a Protestant I strongly suggest that you read the New Testament and do exactly what Jesus said.

That may or may NOT be what your Protestant minister tells you.

Like what?
And who in hell (literally) said you are not saved by grace alone?

Start by reading Matthew Chap. 25.

Memorize it.

Do tell me how the man on the cross who mere minutes earlier became a believer went to Paradise. Oh, works were not required!

Ephesians 2:8-10 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Memorize it.

 

[Weatherman2020]

A radical who fought for social justice.

He was on the side of the Angels on pretty much everything and his message was as clear as it gets.

Anti War - Blessed are the Peacemakers.

Healing the sick - He didnt turn away people without cover.

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. He didnt say "apart from fags".

If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. - Co-operation not competition, we work together to build a better world.

Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to cast a stone. - Apart from when its trannys who deserve to die !

Give to everyone who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them. - Strong supporter of welfare.

All the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, you shall not kill, you shall not steal, you shall not covet, and so on, are summed up in this single command: You must love your neighbor as yourself. - No T and Cs on this. We are all neighbours and entitled. He doesnt exclude any group.

How have his teachings become twisted into hate by false prophets ?

How has he been appropriated by the Right ?

He did everything through charity, not government.

He wasnt a government so your argument is flawed. He encouraged people to pay their taxes. Thats a left wing stance as only billionaires dodge their fair share.

I never said Jesus was "a government" so your rebuttal is flawed.

Aye, he encouraged people to pay their taxes, as do I. Paying the taxes you owe doesn't make one a socialist, so your arguement is flawed.

Believing that the Rich should pay more makes him a socialist.

Where is that in the Bible.

It's in the Stalin translation.