Jesus saves?

[RetiredGySgt]

First, the only "one True Word of God" is the Torah, which is the first 5 books of the Bible. The rest of the OT is a scholarly history of the Jews.

The NT? Well......after they crucified Yeshua (Jesus), then they all decided to see how they could funnel the power off for themselves. Remember the Niecine council? How about the myth that was invented by the Christian church about Hell? Gheniom (Hell's true name) is actually COLD. Why? Simple.....Gheniom (Hell) is far away from the shkinah (Light of God) as possible, which is why it is dark and cold. Fire (which was determined in the middle ages as the worst way to die), was substituted, which is why now everyone thinks Hell is full of fire. It ain't.....it's a myth.

Oh yeah RGS.......Jesus wasn't the only person pulled into Heaven without dying.....ever heard of Elijah?

The quote on Elijah does not include him going to heaven. Sorry.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Failed to answer my question .. i see... as expected.

Let me explain baby. If you had been born in India ..you WOULD not be a christian. You are a weak willed person who needs religion...who needs to have a faith in something greater than themselves..who will offer their life a reason and purpose. You would be a hindu no doubt..and a very devout one i am sure.

There are no competing ideologies in Europe... all religion is equally mocked..and quite rightly so.

Now as an agnostic myself... i admit that i have no idea why i am here. I do not rule out the presence of a GOD (diverse definition)... However I am not going to adhere to a manmade peasant controlling RELIGION...

I understand very well why people need religion.... but there are hundreds of religions all over the world...and if any of them make you more content...by all means take one .... but do not use their invented moralities to preach to the STRONGER and less COWARDLY individuals ..who are able to cope without them.

So there are no Christians in India or China? Isuggest you check your facts.

 

[Sunni Man]

I thought Enoch was the only person who was translated directly into heaven without death in the Bible?

 

[MichaelCollins]

So there are no Christians in India or China? Isuggest you check your facts.

There are about 7....lmao... this is fun... we honestly dont have any jesus freak nuts here.... thanks for the entertainment.

He would have become a Hindu...because everyone told him to... you would have also.

You are lazy and cowardly... hence your adoption of the easy way.

 

[WhiteLion]

First, the only "one True Word of God" is the Torah, which is the first 5 books of the Bible. The rest of the OT is a scholarly history of the Jews.

The NT? Well......after they crucified Yeshua (Jesus), then they all decided to see how they could funnel the power off for themselves. Remember the Niecine council? How about the myth that was invented by the Christian church about Hell? Gheniom (Hell's true name) is actually COLD. Why? Simple.....Gheniom (Hell) is far away from the shkinah (Light of God) as possible, which is why it is dark and cold. Fire (which was determined in the middle ages as the worst way to die), was substituted, which is why now everyone thinks Hell is full of fire. It ain't.....it's a myth.

Oh yeah RGS.......Jesus wasn't the only person pulled into Heaven without dying.....ever heard of Elijah?

Ever heard of ICE that burns like hell...either way HELL ant gonna be fun, oh and JESUS died on the cross, he told GOD his father I commend my soul up to thee, and gave up the ghost, GOD raised Jesus from the dead and later Jesus ascended into heaven. Also the only two people ever ascended into heaven outside of CHRIST in the flesh, was Elijah and Enoch...Elijah in a chariot of fire and Enoch walked with GOD and was not.....so much for your religiosity........Oh and Christ preached more sermons about Hell Fire than anyother he ever preached..Where the worm dieth not and the FIRE is non quenchable....Burn Baby Burn.........

 

[RetiredGySgt]

2 Kings 2:11

And it came about a they were walking along, speaking as they walked, why, look! a fiery war chariot and fiery horses, and they proceeded to make a separation between them both; and Elijah went ascending in the windstorm to the heavens.

It states heavens NOT heaven. Heavens is a name for the sky. Elijah was taken into the sky not to Heaven.

Or are you calling Jesus a Liar?

John 3: 13

Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man.

 

[WhiteLion]

So there are no Christians in India or China? Isuggest you check your facts.

With the exception of the brave Christian missionaries that are shot in the back of the head excutionist style...I'll see you my brothers & Sisters again one day just rest a little bit longer...
Revelation 6:11
And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

1. Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
forward into battle see his banners go!
Refrain:
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.

2. At the sign of triumph Satan's host doth flee;
on then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell's foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
brothers, lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.
(Refrain)

3. Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
one in hope and doctrine, one in charity.
(Refrain)

4. Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
but the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
we have Christ's own promise, and that cannot fail.
(Refrain)

5. Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
Glory, laud, and honor unto Christ the King,
this through countless ages men and angels sing.
http://www.hymnsite.com/lyrics/umh575.sht

 

[ABikerSailor]

2 Kings 2:11

And it came about a they were walking along, speaking as they walked, why, look! a fiery war chariot and fiery horses, and they proceeded to make a separation between them both; and Elijah went ascending in the windstorm to the heavens.

It states heavens NOT heaven. Heavens is a name for the sky. Elijah was taken into the sky not to Heaven.

Or are you calling Jesus a Liar?

John 3: 13

Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man.

Hate to tell ya RGS, but if you actually looked at the Hebrew meaning of the word "heavens" and "heaven", they are both the same thing.

No, Yeshua wasn't a liar, it's the people that keep trying to force their views with HIS words that are.

 

[ABikerSailor]

With the exception of the brave Christian missionaries that are shot in the back of the head excutionist style...I'll see you my brothers & Sisters again one day just rest a little bit longer...
Revelation 6:11
And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

1. Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
forward into battle see his banners go!
Refrain:
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.

2. At the sign of triumph Satan's host doth flee;
on then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell's foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
brothers, lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.
(Refrain)

3. Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
one in hope and doctrine, one in charity.
(Refrain)

4. Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
but the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
we have Christ's own promise, and that cannot fail.
(Refrain)

5. Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
Glory, laud, and honor unto Christ the King,
this through countless ages men and angels sing.
http://www.hymnsite.com/lyrics/umh575.sht

WTF? You can't come up with a decent debate tactic, so you start singing hymns?

You MUST be a Repugnican!

 

[WhiteLion]

Hate to tell ya RGS, but if you actually looked at the Hebrew meaning of the word "heavens" and "heaven", they are both the same thing.

No, Yeshua wasn't a liar, it's the people that keep trying to force their views with HIS words that are.

Actually some of what you say is true the BIBLE says there's a 3rd heaven...

 

[WhiteLion]

You werent a Nazi in the second world war by any chance???

The religious fundies in the US.... talk and act in a very similar way the Nazis of 1930s Germany..

Full of hate of others.

Are you like smoking CRACK???

 

[WhiteLion]

WTF? You can't come up with a decent debate tactic, so you start singing hymns?

You MUST be a Repugnican!

You in the same crackhead catagory as MichaelCollins and that Sunni guy, go take another hit and ruin the other hemisphere...

 

[Sunni Man]

You werent a Nazi in the second world war by any chance???

The religious fundies in the US.... talk and act in a very similar way the Nazis of 1930s Germany..

Full of hate of others.

That is very true Michael Collns

I was starting to have a discussion about Islam with WhiteLion. He then posted a link to one of the most HATE filled anti Islamic sites I have ever seen.

He really didn't want to rationally discuss anything.

He just wanted to spew his radical Christian hate and bigotry!!

 

[WhiteLion]

That is very true Michael Collns

I was starting to have a discussion about Islam with WhiteLion. He then posted a link to one of the most HATE filled anti Islamic sites I have ever seen.

He really didn't want to rationally discuss anything.

He just wanted to spew his radical Christian hate and bigotry!!

This one right??? True History of Islam, Mohammed and the Koran

 

[WhiteLion]

It is actually very funny that these uneducated clones chose christianity... i suppose its because it was the only one available...without them having to look for or consider other equally nonsensical religions...

but its funny that they are so full of hate.... towards others... and yet they claim to follow the teachings of the mythical Jesus... who was so accepting and loving of all people.

They are the same as the extreme minority in Islam... who twist moral teachings and essentially good teachings into something sick and violent.

I am not an advocate of any religion... as i prefer people to think for themselves..rather than submit to the teachings of their parents etc...

However the US christian fundamentalism is the sickest movement on the planet. They judge, they hate, they are so massively uneducated and unread.... they take literally a book which has been translated 100000 times from ancient languages.. and was written in metaphor and allegory...by GOD KNOWS WHO!

Christianity was invented anyway in the 3rd century by Emperor Constantine...when he realised its potential to control the peasant masses...


Those in power in the US ...tap into this oh so easily malleable group of HATERs... .to win elections and start fake wars.

I see they have insane asylums in your country as well, but i didnt know they aloud the criminally insane computer privileges, just wondering how in hell people like you get access to our internet is definately beyond me...

 

[MichaelCollins]

I see they have insane asylums in your country as well, but i didnt know they aloud the criminally insane computer privileges, just wondering how in hell people like you get access to our internet is definately beyond me...

I rest my case.

I agree i must be nuts to debate with someone as obviously educationally subnormal as yourself.

 

[Sunni Man]

I see they have insane asylums in your country as well, but i didnt know they aloud the criminally insane computer privileges, just wondering how in hell people like you get access to our internet is definately beyond me...

How can you say such awful things about another person and yet call yourself a christian WhiteLion??

 

[WhiteLion]

I rest my case.

I agree i must be nuts to debate with someone as obviously educationally subnormal as yourself.

You never had a case you nutjub, go take them meds and sleep tight.......

 

[WhiteLion]

How can you say such awful things about another person and yet call yourself a christian WhiteLion??

Sunni the Bible says MEAKNESS NOT WEAKNESS, im not gonna just lay down and let you nor anyone one else run down the American way of life and what we believe, i love my countryman and im satisfied with our beliefs. To me the statements you and others on here make sound ludicrous to us. Christianity has worked for over 200 years for the USA its what made us the greatest nation ever on the planet earth... It took US only 200 years, what took other nations thousands of years to accomplish an flourish, but its bad enough when an outsider trashes us but when one of our own turn and rend us its an outright insult. Right now the USA is at critical mass socially and civil war could break out at any moment(history repeats itself) do you know why???Because in the last 50 years socialist commies have used our GOD blessed consitution against us, and have pitted us one again another. Sunni I'll appologize if you do likewise and let bygones be bygones, but never think for a moment that just because im a Christian im broadly weak, again meakness isnt weakness ok? we all have weaknesses some are open some behind closed doors..............GOD knows all of them

 

[WhiteLion]

In your deluded mind only.

How can you possibly think that the US was ever the greatest nation on earth?

Poverty is massive there.... inequality is incredible.

Poor education.

Embarassing Health Insurance system.

Racism.

Highest murder rate in the world by a mile.

Death Penalty.

gun laws.

Low standard of living compared to other western nations... consistently in the low 30s.



No one would ever consider the US to have been or be the greatest nation on earth.

Its ok.. i lived in New York for 2 years and it was fine.. nowhere near as good as Paris or London or Milan or Rome or Madrid or Amsterdam or numerous other cities and countries... but it was ok.


However your leaders... who rob you daily... keep chanting the false mantra.... land of the free.... greatest nation ..zzzzzzzzzzzzz and because you are all too poor to travel.. you believe them. Repeat something often enough ...and the gullible will fall for it.[/QUOTE
Like i said crackhead take another hit and burn out that other hemisphere