Zone1 Jesus said Few find the Narrow Way to Heaven (so most go to Hell)

[forkintheroad7]

That’s interesting. I don’t remember anything in the Bible about Heaven being customizable. I know that no pastor I’ve ever heard speak about Heaven, including the ones who are in my family, has ever indicated it as anything other than a place of continuation worship and adoration of God.

Look at the words of Amazing Grace… “when we’ve been here ten thousand years, bright shining as the sun; we’ve no less days to sing God’s praise than when we’d first begun.”

I'm not a Protestant.

And also, I understand your anger @ God. I've been there many times, although my situation appears to be vastly different from your own, in the sense that I did not STAY angry at Him. I've felt downright rage at Him before (if you knew my situation you would know why), and yet I go on reading scripture, attending Mass, praying the rosary and etc. Do you think God (Jesus is God) doesn't know humans will get angry at Him? That is one reason He established a Church on Earth and wants everyone in it: The Church knows how to overcome all attacks of the evil one.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Biden is a Catholic. Bent on going to hell.

looks like it, totally.

ditto Pelousi

 

[forkintheroad7]

I don’t want anything to do with the Christian God. I did thst for 27 years but I’ve moved on.

we can never move on from Reality.

 

[forkintheroad7]

God and I have very different definitions of the “Good” He supposedly provides.

It looks like you are into fighting losing battles. You can disagree with the Creator all you want.. but he obviously is more powerful than you.

 

[Meriweather]

How in God's name do you know who is going to Hell or not, esp via the internet alone?!

The novus ordo church you belong to teaches heresy (though some Catholic priests teach/preach true Catholicism, thank God). This heresy I refer to emanates from the Vatican, which was lost to Catholics in 1958. Non Christians took over the Vatican then and continue to poison people's minds, as evidenced by your statement here. It is actually more likely the poster IS going to Hell, but only God knows. I say the poster you responded to is more likely going to Hell because Jesus said that most people end up there (paraphrase). Still, I would NEVER say someone is or is not going there with such certainty as you have.

You may be into etymology but I know Church history and TRUE Catholic teaching. The Vatican essentially tossed Hell aside..

As to your chosen study, I still fail to see where Jesus was speaking of THIS life and this life only when he used the word Life (not sure all versions of the Bible do?) The ultimate life is Heaven, obviously.. but in any case, my primary concern here is that you are parroting what the sick Vatican teaches, namely that that poster is not going to Hell (!!) when you have absolutely NO way of knowing.

The Catholic Church does not teach that those who are not Catholic are going to hell. The Church teaches we do not know who--if anyone--is in hell. This being said, the Church is adamant that hell exists and that it's not so much that God sends people to hell; rather people choose hell.

 

[Anathema]

It looks like you are into fighting losing battles. You can disagree with the Creator all you want.. but he obviously is more powerful than you

Being all-powerful and all-knowing doesn’t preclude you from being an asshole of epic proportions. In fact it seems to make it more likely.

I was a Red Sox fan pre-2004 and a Redskins/Commanders fan post-1992… lost causes are my specislty

 

[Anathema]

we can never move on from Reality

Let’s just say that He and zi don’t talk anymore.

 

[Anathema]

And also, I understand your anger @ God. I've been there many times, although my situation appears to be vastly different from your own, in the sense that I did not STAY angry at Him. I've felt downright rage at Him before (if you knew my situation you would know why), and yet I go on reading scripture, attending Mass, praying the rosary and etc. Do you think God (Jesus is God) doesn't know humans will get angry at Him? That is one reason He established a Church on Earth and wants everyone in it: The Church knows how to overcome all attacks of the evil one

I spent the first 27 years of my life waiting for some sign that I wasn’t just wasting my time. He had plenty of opportunities and decided not to take any of them. I only get slapped in the face and kicked in the nuts so many times before I stop saying “thank you Sir, may I have another.”

 

[forkintheroad7]

The Catholic Church does not teach that those who are not Catholic are going to hell. The Church teaches we do not know who--if anyone--is in hell. This being said, the Church is adamant that hell exists and that it's not so much that God sends people to hell; rather people choose hell.

when you say the Catholic Church teaches... whatever.. I don't even know which "branch" of the CC you refer to.. but presume most of the time you are referring to the novus ordo one. Well, that is a heretical sect. Some day the Vatican may be returned to Catholics but for now, we have to deal with many heresies that come to us from francis and co., one of which is this notion that hardly anyone goes to Hell.. What baloney. Jesus said that FEW make it

 

[forkintheroad7]

I spent the first 27 years of my life waiting for some sign that I wasn’t just wasting my time. He had plenty of opportunities and decided not to take any of them. I only get slapped in the face and kicked in the nuts so many times before I stop saying “thank you Sir, may I have another.”

You have never said anything about trying Catholicism

so i guess at this point we're just speaking past ea other..

 

[forkintheroad7]

Let’s just say that He and zi don’t talk anymore.

I don't talk to the Father much either. He's the one I've gotten angry with so many times, never Jesus. Jesus is awesome. The Father knew we would like Him..

Jesus proves that the Father really does want us to get to Heaven. Jesus established a Church but most people don't like it.. In America, people are spoiled and don't like a Church or anyone else telling them what they can and cannot do... so I guess that's part of the problem..

 

[surada]

I am not their Judge. However, Jesus said that HE is the Way, the Truth and the Life

And that no one will go to the Father (Heaven) except through HIM

In the Old Testament, Isaiah, when the Coming of Jesus was prophesied, it says

(this and that about the coming Messiah)

and at the end it says

"And the will of God will be accomplished through HIM" (emphasis added)

Isaiah wasn't talking about Jesus. Read it through in context.

 

[surada]

Will more people go to heaven or to hell? | GotQuestions.org

Will more people go to heaven or to hell? Is Jesus really the only way to heaven? Why is the road to heaven so narrow?

www.gotquestions.org

This is not Catholic, officially, but it does not contradict Catholic teaching (that I am aware of, and I have read the entire thing)

Site [emphasis mine]:


The question of whether there are more people in Heaven or Hell is answered by Jesus Himself in one succinct passage: “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few” (Matthew 7:13–14).

This passage tells us that only those who receive Jesus Christ and who believe in Him [Catholics agree but have a different view on "receiving Him"] are given the right to become children of God (John 1:12). As such, the gift of eternal life comes only through Jesus Christ to all those who believe. He said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6). It’s not through Mohammed, Buddha, or other false gods of man’s making. It’s not for those wanting a cheap and easy way to Heaven while continuing to live their own selfish and worldly lives on earth. Jesus only saves those who fully trust in Him as Savior (Acts 4:12).

So, what are these two gates in Matthew 7:13–14? They are the entrance to two different “ways.” The wide gate leads to the broad way, or road. The small, narrow gate leads to the way that is narrow. The narrow way is the way of the godly, and the broad way is the way of the ungodly. The broad way is the easy way. It is attractive and self-indulgent. It is permissive. It’s the inclusive way of the world, with few rules, few restrictions, and fewer requirements. Tolerance of sin is the norm where God’s Word is not studied and His standards not followed. This way requires no spiritual maturity, no moral character, no commitment, and no sacrifice. It is the easy way of salvation, following “the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience” (Ephesians 2:2). It is that broad way that “seems right to a man, but end is the way to death” (Proverbs 14:12).

Those who preach a gospel of inclusiveness where “all ways lead to heaven” preach an utterly different gospel than the one Jesus preached. The gate of self-centeredness, self-absorption, and a proud, holier-than-thou mindset is the wide gate of the world that leads to hell, not the narrow gate that leads to eternal life. As a result, most people spend their lives following the masses who are on the broad road, doing what everyone else does and believing what everyone else believes.

The narrow way is the hard way, the demanding way. It is the way of recognizing that you cannot save yourself and must depend on Jesus Christ alone to save you. It’s the way of self-denial and the cross. The fact that few find God’s way implies that it is to be sought diligently. “You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart” (Jeremiah 29:13). No one will stumble into the kingdom or wander through the narrow gate by accident. Someone asked Jesus, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” He replied, “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able” (Luke 13:23–24).

Many will seek to enter that narrow door, the door of salvation, but “will not be able.” They are unwilling to trust/rely on Jesus alone. They are unwilling to pay the price. It costs too much for them to give up the world. God’s gate is a gate through which one cannot carry the baggage of sin and self-will, nor can one carry the accoutrements of materialism. The way of Christ is the way of the cross, and the way of the cross is the way of self-denial. Jesus said, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will save it” (Luke 9:23–24).

Jesus knows that many will choose the wide gate and the broad way that leads to destruction and hell. Correspondingly, He said that only a few will choose the narrow gate. According to Matthew 7:13–14, there is no doubt that more will go to Hell than to Heaven. The question for you is, then, on which road are you?

Comments

I really don't have any further comments

for once

You know the "well worn path to clean, life giving water"?

 

[Anathema]

You have never said anything about trying Catholicism

so i guess at this point we're just speaking past ea other..

After my father’s death in 2001 I went on about a three years search. I talked to clergy from pretty much every organized religion down to several quasi-cult groups; including several different flavors of the Catholic Church. I asked one simple question… “Why”.

Not a single one of the organized religions could come up with what I considered a reasonable answer. Many refused to even try. It was only when I started seriously talking to some of the new age, spiritual groups that I found any sort of answer that made any sense. Not perfect sense, but more than the Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc… answers did.

 

[forkintheroad7]

After my father’s death in 2001 I went on about a three years search. I talked to clergy from pretty much every organized religion down to several quasi-cult groups; including several different flavors of the Catholic Church. I asked one simple question… “Why”.

Not a single one of the organized religions could come up with what I considered a reasonable answer. Many refused to even try. It was only when I started seriously talking to some of the new age, spiritual groups that I found any sort of answer that made any sense. Not perfect sense, but more than the Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc… answers did.

so who told you everything has to make sense all the time? I gave up trying to find out WHY.
What I know is that we can get angry at God and guess what? It doesn't change him. He may or may not give us what we ask for, but I don't think he will deny us just bc we go into a rage against him. He knew before we were born we were capable of that.. nothing surprises the Creator. It's a comforting thought that nothing we say will hurt his feelings or change Him.. God never changes, but we need to change because we are fallen (sick).

The Word say Be angry but sin not. I sometimes think God even wants us to rage at Him.. It is a form of being HONEST. It is being real. We all know of people who stuff their anger, stuff their bitterness, etc.. and then one day they can't seem to stuff it any longer and they act out violently..

 

[forkintheroad7]

Isaiah wasn't talking about Jesus. Read it through in context.

Yes, he was.

Not going to argue this.

 

[surada]

Biden is a Catholic. Bent on going to hell.

You want Biden to force Catholic beliefs on all Americans? You should see your doctor. Sounds like you have dementia.

 

[surada]

Yes, he was.

Not going to argue this.

“The Lord has redeemed his servant Jacob!”
—Isaiah 48:20

Go back to at least Isaiah chapter 45.

You have to go back at least eight chapters to see the context of the alleged “suffering messiah” passages in chapter 53. And as you start reading in chapter 45, what do you notice? You will notice that this is not a typical narrative story.

All these chapters are written in the form of a song or poem. And there is a very interesting aspect to this very long song or poem: You must pay very careful attention to who is doing the speaking in each verse! Sometimes it is God speaking, then suddenly it is the author of Isaiah speaking, then sometimes it is the “Servant of the Lord” speaking.

So who is this “servant of the Lord”? You will not find the answer in chapter 53…but you will find it in the preceding chapters.

 

[forkintheroad7]

“The Lord has redeemed his servant Jacob!”
—Isaiah 48:20

Go back to at least Isaiah chapter 45.

You have to go back at least eight chapters to see the context of the alleged “suffering messiah” passages in chapter 53. And as you start reading in chapter 45, what do you notice? You will notice that this is not a typical narrative story.

All these chapters are written in the form of a song or poem. And there is a very interesting aspect to this very long song or poem: You must pay very careful attention to who is doing the speaking in each verse! Sometimes it is God speaking, then suddenly it is the author of Isaiah speaking, then sometimes it is the “Servant of the Lord” speaking.

So who is this “servant of the Lord”? You will not find the answer in chapter 53…but you will find it in the preceding chapters.

I may ask a Catholic priest about the passage in Isaiah about how the will of God will be done through him.. and whether that is speaking of Christ, which I know it is. I can barely trust priests (in general), much less some unknown person on the i-net.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And the Lord was pleased to bruise him in infirmity: if he shall lay down his life for sin, he shall see a long-lived seed, and the will of the Lord shall be prosperous in his hand.

me: Whom else did God "bruise.. in infirmity" worse than Jesus Christ?

And WHO has "[laid] down his life for sin" besides Jesus? So yeh, I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Anathema]

so who told you everything has to make sense all the time? I gave up trying to find out WHY

ME. I don’t do things for people unless I’m getting compensated in a timely manner. Want me to follow your rules… don’t fuck me over while I’m working and make your payments in a timely manner. I don’t do… “Full payment made at end of service”. Thsts not how I work.