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Jesus Can Not Be Defeated.

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Probably because it's meaning has been lost through time. Original sin is man's failure to take accountability.

Nothing silly about that. What's silly is how people read ancient man's answers to the origin question.

Original sin is the Christian doctrine that humans inherit a tainted nature and a proclivity to sin through the fact of birth. Theologians have characterized this condition in many ways, seeing it as ranging from something as insignificant as a slight deficiency, or a tendency toward sin yet without collective guilt, referred to as a "sin nature", to total depravity or automatic guilt of all humans through collective.......

 

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Original sin is the Christian doctrine that humans inherit a tainted nature and a proclivity to sin through the fact of birth. Theologians have characterized this condition in many ways, seeing it as ranging from something as insignificant as a slight deficiency, or a tendency toward sin yet without collective guilt, referred to as a "sin nature", to total depravity or automatic guilt of all humans through collective.......

Like I said before, it's meaning has been lost through time. Original sin is man's failure to take accountability.
 

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Like I said before, it's meaning has been lost through time. Original sin is man's failure to take accountability.

what sin -

accountability is not necessary for choosing ones own destiny but to themselves, a&e - it's called responsibility. the heavens are happy with their choice.
 

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what sin -

accountability is not necessary for choosing ones own destiny but to themselves, a&e - it's called responsibility. the heavens are happy with their choice.
The sin of lying to yourself about yourself. That's what failure to be accountable boils down to.

If everyone was accountable for their mistakes the world would change overnight.
 

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The sin of lying to yourself about yourself. That's what failure to be accountable boils down to.

If everyone was accountable for their mistakes the world would change overnight.

howabout having evil intent - being the culprit ... forgiveness then would be for misbehavior without evil. accountability is why they ate the fruit ... their own.

a world of misbehavior is not the same as a world of evil.
 

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Jesus Can Not Be Defeated.
By JAG
September 16, 2021

Because God can NOT be defeated and Jesus is God.


Jesus is the Word and "In the beginning was the Word
and . . . the Word was God" {John 1:1} . . .


. . . and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and He can not
be defeated by Sin, Satan, and Satan's sad selfish self-seeking sapiens.


Would you please seize . . . upon this mighty truth:


Jesus is NOW the most powerful Person in the Universe. John 13:3
John 3:35 John 5:22 Col. 2:9-10 Matt. 28:18 1 Cor. 15:24-25


And He was there when . . .


The Holy Trinity {Father, Son, Holy Spirit} created Andromeda, a galaxy
41,631,870 miles in diameter {67 kiloparsecs} which is only one of a few
hundred billion galaxies in the Universe ~ by the way Andromeda has an
estimated one trillion stars.


Speaking of stars . . .


Astronomers estimate there are between 30 to 70 billion trillion stars in the
Universe. The Father, His Son, and the Holy Spirit created it all.


So? So They are powerful. They can not be defeated.


"Now wait just a minute", objected Frail Christian Pessimist, "the Father, the Lord
Jesus, and the Holy Spirit lose the War For The World. They fail to Christianize
the world, and defeat evil, before Jesus returns."


Then out spake Braveheart the man of God, "So, Frail, you teach that Jesus and
His Great Commission fails?"


"Yes", replied Frail Christian Pessimist, "Jesus' command to His Christian Church
to go and make disciples of all nations will fail."


"But consider this.", replied Braveheart the man of God, "When Jesus commanded
His Christian Church to carry out His Great Commission, He said 'All authority in
heaven and on earth has been given to me. THEREFORE go and make disciples
of all nations' and He added 'surely I am with you always to the very end of the age'"


"Where in the Bible does Jesus say all that?", asked Frail Christian Pessimist.


""Matthew 28:16-20", replied Braveheart the man of God.


"Moreover", continued Braveheart the man of God, "Jesus' death on The Cross
and His Resurrection, has NOW defeated all His Enemies, and Sin, and Satan
and . . .

. . . Jesus NOW sits at the right hand of the Father God Almighty, so Jesus NOW
has ALL power to win the War For The World.


"I base my beliefs about the future on what the newspapers say", replied Frail
Christian Pessimist, "and the news headlines say the world is growing more and
more evil all the time."


"So Evil, not Jesus, wins the War For The World?", asked Braveheart the man of God.


"Yes, that's exactly right. You are correct", replied Frail Christian Pessimist.


"Are you saying that Jesus is a Loser?", asked Braveheart the man of God.


"I fear the worst", replied Frail Christian Pessimist.


{A wise man once asked:
Can we trust newspapers and news headlines to tell us the truth? Do you, reader,
trust newspapers to tell you the truth?}


"By the way I'm curious, what are your favorite news sources?", asked Braveheart the
man of God.


"I read the news headlines every day on the Internet", replied Frail Christian Pessimist,
"and I listen to the cable news networks a lot. I particularly like Fox News."


"But the Bible is our source", replied Braveheart the man of God, "and all Scripture is given
by inspiration of God {2 Timothy 3:16-20} . . .


. . . and we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us . . .


. . . this means . . .


. . . we can successfully carry out our Lord Jesus' Great Commission command, to go and
make disciples of all nations."








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He is being defeated in US for now...

but he will not be defeated in the End
 

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He is being defeated in US for now...
Not even in the US. Since his Kingdom is not in D.C., the media misses showing all the places where he is in the hearts and lives of many.
 

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howabout having evil intent - being the culprit ... forgiveness then would be for misbehavior without evil. accountability is why they ate the fruit ... their own.

a world of misbehavior is not the same as a world of evil.
You are making it more complicated than it needs to be or how that account intended it to be. Man by virtue of being a physical being who knows and creates has knowledge of good and evil. That was always going to be the case no matter what. The account of the fall of man is about how one responds to doing wrong or making mistakes. That was the point of that account.
 

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You are making it more complicated than it needs to be or how that account intended it to be. Man by virtue of being a physical being who knows and creates has knowledge of good and evil. That was always going to be the case no matter what. The account of the fall of man is about how one responds to doing wrong or making mistakes. That was the point of that account.

the account of the desert religions, the state religion of the roman empire - christianity.

knowledge - to triumph ... the true parable.

a&e choose to fulfill their own destiny to become equals in the heavens by their own means through the prescribed religion of antiquity in triumph over evil as necessary for remission as the goal for their decision. and made the same for all humanity.

- as before, what are the sins christians are unable to stop committing - or unwilling to try overcoming.
 

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the account of the desert religions, the state religion of the roman empire - christianity.

knowledge - to triumph ... the true parable.

a&e choose to fulfill their own destiny to become equals in the heavens by their own means through the prescribed religion of antiquity in triumph over evil as necessary for remission as the goal for their decision. and made the same for all humanity.

- as before, what are the sins christians are unable to stop committing - or unwilling to try overcoming.
Adam and Eve are allegorical. So is Noah. They aren't historical figures.
 

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I have never read that list before, but its good. I don't understand 10. How do you rationalize when you have done wrong?
Examples of rationalizing/justifying instead of acknowledging wrongdoing:
1. In politics, one party denies fault, then blames their opponent as a deflection or distraction. There are other threads on this symbolic pattern of "Adam blaming Eve" instead of admitting shared responsibility for consequences of their actions that caused fallout to occur.

2. In religious conflicts, you can see examples on this thread of "the pot calling the kettle black". One side believes they have the right concept of God's laws while blaming an outside person or group for teaching false religion, attacking the right views, and deluding themselves or misleading others. They even accuse each other of deliberately undermining for devious or destructive reasons.
So instead of admitting they are both unfairly accusing the other of ill intent, when both sides are actually concerned the other is causing problems by teaching falsely and acting in bad faith, they both insist it is the OTHER person/group that is in the wrong, not them!

Again surada How ironic to watcg these same people debating "why blame Eve" as a scapegoat (when either Adam was equally responsible or NEITHER should have been punished if they were set up to fail, etc. Etc etc) while they, themselves, fall into the same pattern of pointing the finger and saying "but it is that other person/group" teaching the wrong thing and needs to be called out.

This is part of the human spiritual process of growth, awareness and development.

Humans have this frustrating tendency to point out faults in their neighbors while not admitting or responding to their own areas of corrections!

ding called it rationalization.

We justify accusing others while they justify accusing us.
 

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Examples of rationalizing/justifying instead of acknowledging wrongdoing:
1. In politics, one party denies fault, then blames their opponent as a deflection or distraction. There are other threads on this symbolic pattern of "Adam blaming Eve" instead of admitting shared responsibility for consequences of their actions that caused fallout to occur.

2. In religious conflicts, you can see examples on this thread of "the pot calling the kettle black". One side believes they have the right concept of God's laws while blaming an outside person or group for teaching false religion, attacking the right views, and deluding themselves or misleading others. They even accuse each other of deliberately undermining for devious or destructive reasons.
So instead of admitting they are both unfairly accusing the other of ill intent, when both sides are actually concerned the other is causing problems by teaching falsely and acting in bad faith, they both insist it is the OTHER person/group that is in the wrong, not them!

Again surada How ironic to watcg these same people debating "why blame Eve" as a scapegoat (when either Adam was equally responsible or NEITHER should have been punished if they were set up to fail, etc. Etc etc) while they, themselves, fall into the same pattern of pointing the finger and saying "but it is that other person/group" teaching the wrong thing and needs to be called out.

This is part of the human spiritual process of growth, awareness and development.

Humans have this frustrating tendency to point out faults in their neighbors while not admitting or responding to their own areas of corrections!

ding called it rationalization.

We justify accusing others while they justify accusing us.

Much easier to admit error.
 
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He is being defeated in US for now...

but he will not be defeated in the End
The Lord Jesus is not being defeated in the US right now.
I wrote the following for good folks like you who believe that He is being defeated.
Give it a read.
It will cheer you you up.
Its a very bright cheerful optimistic piece backed up with fats too.

Best Regards.

JAG

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Then why is Satan in direct competition with God and God has never destroyed Satan who was created by God?
God has a long range plan to gradually and incrementally restore the world.
Satan will be destroyed in the process.
Cheer up.
Give this a read.
God is making huge progress in the world today.

Best Regards.

JAG


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God has a long range plan to gradually and incrementally restore the world.
Satan will be destroyed in the process.
Cheer up.
Give this a read.
God is making huge progress in the world today.

Best Regards.

JAG


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God is not making progress because of the human condition doesn't reflect on his state of existence in the modern world or in the time frame of today. According to scripture God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
 

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God is not making progress because of the human condition doesn't reflect on his state of existence in the modern world or in the time frame of today. According to scripture God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
The Bible seems quite clear in stating the human condition. A book in the Old Testament notes there is a time for everything--a time for joy, a time to weep. A time to build up, yet a time for what has been built to tumble down. In the New Testament Jesus mentions the same conditions: The sorrowful will be happy, the fat, not so much. They had their day in the sun. Speaking of sun, this planet has its seasons, and so does everything that lives upon it.

We may now be living in a crumbling time, but the Bible tells us, we will rebuild. The seasons tell us, Spring always comes. Those of us who have lived through great sorrow know that one day we laughed again. These truths are the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

Our time today does not portend the end of the world and the second coming. It simply means we are facing bad times, which means we are blessed. They may get worse, it is possible, but we will come out of it. We always have.
 

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Fortunate or unfortunate, religion is dying. It's a relic of past necessity. And now we replace that necessity for definition, explanation, and structure with more fitting systems. Time to see how that turns out.
 
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God is not making progress because of the human condition doesn't reflect on his state of existence in the modern world or in the time frame of today. According to scripture God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
The documented facts in the piece I linked you to, say you are incorrect.
Are you willing to give the piece a serious read?


Best

JAG


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