Zone1 Scientist Explains Why He Believes in the Resurrection of Christ

[alang1216]

The moment you start to discuss meaning and purpose with how it pertains to your family, you will be singing a different tune. You'll be telling me about how all the positive things in your life help you get through all of the negative things in your life.

So, I hate to burst your bubble but there really are good and bad outcomes just like there are better or worse outcomes. The trick in life is to manage the negative without letting it consume you and to learn from it so future outcomes will be positive.

I don't disagree.

But to your point that there are no absolutes, so you can't say raping a woman or owning another human is absolutely wrong? Apparently the only thing that isn't absolute is your statement there are no absolutes.

I think slavery is wrong but at other times in other places it was accepted as the way life should be. God didn't forbid slavery, He only said how it should operate.

 

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Close. There are no goalposts, just natural forces at work. Evolution isn't random but there is no goal.

Really? Are your thoughts and behaviors subject to evolution? Is there no goal in how you evolve as a human being? Your view of evolution is so narrow as to be comical. Space and time - which you are literally a part of - have been evolving since creation and will continue to do so. There is way more to evolution than biological evolution. Biological evolution is just one stage of the evolution of space and time. God's glory is not made manifest by human beings. God's glory is made manifest by his creation as a whole and how it has evolved.

 

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Just because the universe lacks purpose doesn't mean I have to. Just because one person lacks purpose doesn't mean everyone does.

Just because you can't recognize that everything serves a purpose - which is a cornerstone of biological evolution - doesn't mean everything doesn't serve a purpose. Like I said before, nature screams of purpose. And purpose gives meaning to life.

 

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The universe is random within the framework of natural laws and forces.

Which makes the universe deterministic in that the laws of nature determine what happens. Such as life and intelligence arising from star dust. There's nothing random about that. It's just time and conditions. The universe is hardwired to create life and intelligence.

 

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I neither random nor meaningless for, unlike the universe, I have goals.

You are part of creation so that makes creation have goals. And your goals give you meaning and purpose. So your goals give creation meaning and purpose.

 

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Despite what you believe the physical laws of nature scream neither reason nor purpose. There are NO moral laws of nature beyond survival.

That's odd considering EVERY argument you make is a moral argument with a moral basis.

 

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I don't disagree.

Your striking through part of my post says otherwise. You can't accept the concept of better or worse without having an idea of what good and bad are. To deny good and bad is to deny better or worse. All references must have an absolute standard.

 

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I think slavery is wrong but at other times in other places it was accepted as the way life should be. God didn't forbid slavery, He only said how it should operate.

Really? And you don't think that is a cowardly response? You do realize that even back when slavery was accepted as the norm there were people who said bullshit to that, right?

How about rape? Should men be able to take any woman they want? Care to make a moral argument to justify rape like you did for slavery?

 

[alang1216]

Really? Are your thoughts and behaviors subject to evolution? Is there no goal in how you evolve as a human being?

Are you talking about biological evolution? If that is the case the answers are NO.

Your view of evolution is so narrow as to be comical. Space and time - which you are literally a part of - have been evolving since creation and will continue to do so.

Nope. Space and time have not 'evolved' since they were created by the BB. They have changed as they have cooled but their properties have not 'evolved'.

There is way more to evolution than biological evolution. Biological evolution is just one stage of the evolution of space and time. God's glory is not made manifest by human beings. God's glory is made manifest by his creation as a whole and how it has evolved.

And....you lost me. Space and time have not evolved. Their properties have been fixed from the BB. I know nothing of 'Gods glory', can you show me the evidence for that?

 

[alang1216]

Just because you can't recognize that everything serves a purpose - which is a cornerstone of biological evolution - doesn't mean everything doesn't serve a purpose. Like I said before, nature screams of purpose. And purpose gives meaning to life.

If by 'purpose' you mean passing on your genes, then we agree.

 

[alang1216]

Which makes the universe deterministic in that the laws of nature determine what happens.

I think the term probabilistic is more accurate.

Such as life and intelligence arising from star dust. There's nothing random about that. It's just time and conditions. The universe is hardwired to create life and intelligence.

And given an infinite period of time, monkeys with typewriters will produce Hamlet. Given enough time, the universe will produce everything.

 

[alang1216]

You are part of creation so that makes creation have goals. And your goals give you meaning and purpose. So your goals give creation meaning and purpose.

No, give 'creation' it's props but give me my props. They don't always coincide.

 

[alang1216]

That's odd considering EVERY argument you make is a moral argument with a moral basis.

I have my morality and values and you have yours. Do you think they are exactly congruent?

 

[alang1216]

Your striking through part of my post says otherwise. You can't accept the concept of better or worse without having an idea of what good and bad are. To deny good and bad is to deny better or worse. All references must have an absolute standard.

I disagree. It better to be punched once than twice, at least to me. Is punching always bad or are there times when it is necessary?

 

[alang1216]

Really? And you don't think that is a cowardly response? You do realize that even back when slavery was accepted as the norm there were people who said bullshit to that, right?

There will always be people who won't accept the norm. Where do you stand on BLM?

How about rape? Should men be able to take any woman they want? Care to make a moral argument to justify rape like you did for slavery?

Until recently, there was no conception of rape within a marriage. The man had the right to the woman and she had no right to refuse him.

 

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Are you talking about biological evolution? If that is the case the answers are NO.


Nope. Space and time have not 'evolved' since they were created by the BB. They have changed as they have cooled but their properties have not 'evolved'.


And....you lost me. Space and time have not evolved. Their properties have been fixed from the BB. I know nothing of 'Gods glory', can you show me the evidence for that?

Like I said, you have a very narrow view of evolution and it appears to be a self serving one. Evolution has been occurring since day one of creation and it has never ceased.

 

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If by 'purpose' you mean passing on your genes, then we agree.

That's only a small part of it. But since you believe the only thing that has evolved is biology, this is probably another thing you would dismiss.

 

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I think the term probabilistic is more accurate.


And given an infinite period of time, monkeys with typewriters will produce Hamlet. Given enough time, the universe will produce everything.

Is gravity probabilistic or deterministic? Which of the laws of thermodynamics aren't deterministic? Can matter be sometimes created and sometimes destroyed? Can entropy sometimes increase and sometimes decrease?

No offense but your belief that the universe will produce everything given enough time is either idiotic or a very poor choice of words. The universe can only produce what is possible. It can't produce everything or anything.

 

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No, give 'creation' it's props but give me my props. They don't always coincide.

That's because you can't see the forest for the trees. You think the only thing that has evolved is biological despite the overwhelming evidence of an evolving universe and everything in it.

 

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I have my morality and values and you have yours. Do you think they are exactly congruent?

Apparently not because I believe that things like rape and slavery will always be wrong despite what anyone else believes or does.