Zone1 Scientist Explains Why He Believes in the Resurrection of Christ

[alang1216]

Because God has established this as the way. The lessons in the OT and NT teach that empirical evidence isn’t enough nor is it needed. All the times the people of Israel were shown empirical evidence and refused it.

Presupposing God exists and He ghost-wrote the OT/NT/BoM/Koran/Vedas/etc. If you start with faith, that is the path you likely stay on.

 

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Different strokes....

...don't always lead to the same outcomes. Or do you believe that all behaviors have equal outcomes?

 

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Different strokes.

Do you suppose that people who believe there is no meaning or purpose to life have the same outcomes in dealing with life as people that do believe there is meaning and purpose to life.

 

[alang1216]

...don't always lead to the same outcomes. Or do you believe that all behaviors have equal outcomes?

No outcomes are equal, all are unique.

 

[alang1216]

Do you suppose that people who believe there is no meaning or purpose to life have the same outcomes in dealing with life as people that do believe there is meaning and purpose to life.

I believe almost all people see meaning and purpose in their lives yet all have different outcomes.

 

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No outcomes are equal, all are unique.

That's not really true either. If we both applied to Harvard and both got accepted that would be an equal outcome. How we went about it might have been different but the outcome is the same.

Of course that doesn't really address what we are talking about. It seems you'd like to blur the line between good and bad, positive an negative. Did you grow up winning a lot of participation ribbons?

 

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I believe almost all people see meaning and purpose in their lives yet all have different outcomes.

I don't see how your worldview would allow you to find meaning or purpose in life.

 

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I believe almost all people see meaning and purpose in their lives yet all have different outcomes.

I'm not sure but was this you agreeing with me that believing life has meaning and purpose leads to positive outcomes versus not seeing meaning and purpose in life?

 

[alang1216]

That's not really true either. If we both applied to Harvard and both got accepted that would be an equal outcome. How we went about it might have been different but the outcome is the same.

More like a temporarily shared path.

Of course that doesn't really address what we are talking about. It seems you'd like to blur the line between good and bad, positive an negative. Did you grow up winning a lot of participation ribbons?

Can't blur what doesn't exist. As I've previously discussed, good and bad, positive and negative are relatives, not absolutes.

 

[alang1216]

I don't see how your worldview would allow you to find meaning or purpose in life.

I have a family.

 

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More like a temporarily shared path.

I think you have a problem confronting reality and admitting mistakes.

 

[alang1216]

I'm not sure but was this you agreeing with me that believing life has meaning and purpose leads to positive outcomes versus not seeing meaning and purpose in life?

Yes I'd agree but I don't think meaning and purpose can come only from belief in the supernatural.

 

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I have a family.

So what? According to what you have argued in the past the universe and everything in it has no purpose or meaning. That everything is just happenstance; randomness. No real rhyme or reason for why things are the way they are. Am I close to stating that correctly? Because those beliefs can never be a foundation for meaning and purpose. There's no meaning or purpose in happenstance or randomness.

 

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Yes I'd agree but I don't think meaning and purpose can come only from belief in the supernatural.

I believe it can never come from believing everything is happenstance or random. So where does the answer lie? Does it lie in believing the universe isn't happenstance or random? Because if it does that points to intentionality. And what does intentionality point to?

Despite what you believe the physical and moral laws of nature scream reason and purpose.

 

[ding]

Can't blur what doesn't exist. As I've previously discussed, good and bad, positive and negative are relatives, not absolutes.

The moment you start to discuss meaning and purpose with how it pertains to your family, you will be singing a different tune. You'll be telling me about how all the positive things in your life help you get through all of the negative things in your life.

So, I hate to burst your bubble but there really are good and bad outcomes just like there are better or worse outcomes. The trick in life is to manage the negative without letting it consume you and to learn from it so future outcomes will be positive.

But to your point that there are no absolutes, so you can't say raping a woman or owning another human is absolutely wrong? Apparently the only thing that isn't absolute is your statement there are no absolutes.

 

[alang1216]

So what? According to what you have argued in the past the universe and everything in it has no purpose or meaning. That everything is just happenstance; randomness. No real rhyme or reason for why things are the way they are. Am I close to stating that correctly?

Close. There are no goalposts, just natural forces at work. Evolution isn't random but there is no goal.

Because those beliefs can never be a foundation for meaning and purpose. There's no meaning or purpose in happenstance or randomness.

Just because the universe lacks purpose doesn't mean I have to. Just because one person lacks purpose doesn't mean everyone does.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Do you suppose that people who believe there is no meaning or purpose to life have the same outcomes in dealing with life as people that do believe there is meaning and purpose to life.

I don't see how your worldview would allow you to find meaning or purpose in life.

So what? According to what you have argued in the past the universe and everything in it has no purpose or meaning. That everything is just happenstance; randomness. No real rhyme or reason for why things are the way they are. Am I close to stating that correctly? Because those beliefs can never be a foundation for meaning and purpose. There's no meaning or purpose in happenstance or randomness.

I believe it can never come from believing everything is happenstance or random. So where does the answer lie? Does it lie in believing the universe isn't happenstance or random? Because if it does that points to intentionality. And what does intentionality point to?

Despite what you believe the physical and moral laws of nature scream reason and purpose.

The moment you start to discuss meaning and purpose with how it pertains to your family, you will be singing a different tune. You'll be telling me about how all the positive things in your life help you get through all of the negative things in your life.

So, I hate to burst your bubble but there really are good and bad outcomes just like there are better or worse outcomes. The trick in life is to manage the negative without letting it consume you and to learn from it so future outcomes will be positive.

But to your point that there are no absolutes, so you can't say raping a woman or owning another human is absolutely wrong? Apparently the only thing that isn't absolute is your statement there are no absolutes.

A rational theist can learn the meaning of living in nature within an organized structured religion or within a Cult of One as Jefferson defined himself.

We come to nature to experience mind over matter with others doing the same - some create ~ some destroy ~ most perhaps are caught berween the extremes.

My purpose and meaning of life is to strive to create a better existence for those that will follow based on truth that nature reveals; not miracles like a ONE TIME resurrection from a flat earth of the ONE & ONLY true God’s ONLY SON a couple of thousand years before I was born.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

A rational theist can learn the meaning of living in nature within an organized structured religion or within a Cult of One as Jefferson defined himself.

We come to nature to experience mind over matter with others doing the same - some create ~ some destroy ~ most perhaps are caught berween the extremes.

My purpose and meaning of life is to strive to create a better existence for those that will follow based on truth that nature reveals; not miracles like a ONE TIME resurrection from a flat earth of the ONE & ONLY true God’s ONLY SON a couple of thousand years before I was born.

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Keep trying, NotfooledbyW.




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[alang1216]

I believe it can never come from believing everything is happenstance or random. So where does the answer lie? Does it lie in believing the universe isn't happenstance or random? Because if it does that points to intentionality. And what does intentionality point to?

The universe is random within the framework of natural laws and forces. I neither random nor meaningless for, unlike the universe, I have goals.

Despite what you believe the physical and moral laws of nature scream reason and purpose.

Despite what you believe the physical laws of nature scream neither reason nor purpose. There are NO moral laws of nature beyond survival.

 

[Cougarbear]

Presupposing God exists and He ghost-wrote the OT/NT/BoM/Koran/Vedas/etc. If you start with faith, that is the path you likely stay on.

The thing is, there are visible evidences of God today. And you come at these from the faith of atheistism.