Zone1 Jesus as a Jewish Prophet

It perplexes me that Jesus is not acknowledged as a Jewish Prophet or even as a legitimate Rabbi. His teachings seem to be consistent with earlier Jewish Prophets, and his reforms regarding animal sacrifices and the destruction of the Temple were effected soon after his death. Objections to his claim of divine authority hardly seem like justification for ignoring everything else he said. It is as if all of Newton's theories about gravity should have been ignored because he also believed in alchemy.

Can it be reasonably postulated that, otherwise, Judaism might have become the world's largest religion?

jesus is a heavenly blessed religious itinerant and was was never a jew ... they and the 1st century events are the repudiation of judaism - false commandments madeup by the liar moses et al.

- provide their letter of ordination from the synagogue or university the idiots who claim jesus was a rabbi. such a claim warrants moral retribution.
 
It perplexes me that Jesus is not acknowledged as a Jewish Prophet or even as a legitimate Rabbi. His teachings seem to be consistent with earlier Jewish Prophets, and his reforms regarding animal sacrifices and the destruction of the Temple were effected soon after his death. Objections to his claim of divine authority hardly seem like justification for ignoring everything else he said. It is as if all of Newton's theories about gravity should have been ignored because he also believed in alchemy.

Can it be reasonably postulated that, otherwise, Judaism might have become the world's largest religion?

Yeshua, (proper spelling of the name) never existed. Nor has Magical, Mystical, Mythical Sky Man. Just fools like you dumb enough believe in bullshit shories.
 
I take it from these replies that the subject of Jesus is impossible for most people to rationally discuss.
 
I take it from these replies that the subject of Jesus is impossible for most people to rationally discuss.
what exactly did you want to rationally discuss? You asked about something from the Jewish POV and I answered that. Do you have other questions?
 
It perplexes me that Jesus is not acknowledged as a Jewish Prophet or even as a legitimate Rabbi. His teachings seem to be consistent with earlier Jewish Prophets, and his reforms regarding animal sacrifices and the destruction of the Temple were effected soon after his death. Objections to his claim of divine authority hardly seem like justification for ignoring everything else he said. It is as if all of Newton's theories about gravity should have been ignored because he also believed in alchemy.

Can it be reasonably postulated that, otherwise, Judaism might have become the world's largest religion?
Jesus and his contemporaries were living during the second temple era, and so of course figure in Jewish history. That some people claiming to be Jewish don't acknowledge them is kind of perplexing.
 
Its part of the Jewish faith that Malachi is the last prophet, and he lived 300 or so years before Christ.
Whether they spoke Hebrew or Greek, the Jews living at the end of the second temple era were still Jewish, and many of them considered John the Baptist to be their last prophet.

Malachi implies that in the Most Holy Place of this second temple, God had yet to appear (3:1). And the arrogant and evildoers among them were not yet cut down (4:1). In Malachi's time, more was to be done.
 
It perplexes me that Jesus is not acknowledged as a Jewish Prophet or even as a legitimate Rabbi. His teachings seem to be consistent with earlier Jewish Prophets, and his reforms regarding animal sacrifices and the destruction of the Temple were effected soon after his death. Objections to his claim of divine authority hardly seem like justification for ignoring everything else he said. It is as if all of Newton's theories about gravity should have been ignored because he also believed in alchemy.

Can it be reasonably postulated that, otherwise, Judaism might have become the world's largest religion?
"His reforms" ?? another hypnagogic hallucination? Jesus was a typical Pharisee of his time.
Born to a Pharisee family---educated as a Pharisee---spoke as a Pharisee and died like a
Pharisee. Read the book with some discernment
 
I take it from these replies that the subject of Jesus is impossible for most people to rationally discuss.
How can one rationally discuss human reproduction medical pseudoscience with those cross conditioned way beyond therapy Christiananality pedophilia as Islamidiotocracy of flaming flying chariot pseudoscience pedophilia Valhalla ?
 
There are many who question the assertion that he was a prophet but I've not heard anyone question his position as a Rabbi. Who has questioned this?

Some has suggested that his followers referred to him only as a teacher, not as a Rabbi, but I beg to differ. Realistically, he did more to promote Judaism theology than any other Jew in history even though his followers basically created their own sect of Judaism which deviated from the Torah. The underlying premise is Judaism, hence the term Judeo-Christian values due to the immense overlap, even if there are key differences, especially in rituals and lineage.
teacher and rabbi ----to wit the hebrew terms thereof-----are sorta equal things---
especially at that time-----the terms did not denote some sort of OFFICIAL position
or profession
 
It perplexes me that Jesus is not acknowledged as a Jewish Prophet or even as a legitimate Rabbi. His teachings seem to be consistent with earlier Jewish Prophets, and his reforms regarding animal sacrifices and the destruction of the Temple were effected soon after his death. Objections to his claim of divine authority hardly seem like justification for ignoring everything else he said. It is as if all of Newton's theories about gravity should have been ignored because he also believed in alchemy.

Can it be reasonably postulated that, otherwise, Judaism might have become the world's largest religion?

My belief is that the way that the Messianic Gentile Movement / Christianity, became more and more anti-Semitic made cooperation between the Rabbinic Jewish Community and Christians nearly impossible, [until our modern that is because astonishing truths are coming out quickly].

Even Roman Catholics were persecuted if they were to attempt to observe the Jewish Sabbaths or even the dietary laws of Moses, or the Levitical cleanliness laws.
 
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Well, there is one...

John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
There's the problem and the top-all reason I cannot believe in Christianity. Who knows if Christ actually said that but the fact that Christians believe it (or believe John, in any case) and it being a mandatory point which Christians themselves require to believe knocks Christianity out of the possibility of being a Messianic order, in my eyes. No thanks. The Jews founded the concept of there being a Messiah, in the first place, plus they set the rules for what the Messiah represents and what the Messiah is meant to achieve. So-called Christians taking the Messiah hostage and treating it as a revision smells of cultism, thinks I. They might just as well believe in an ariel bunny on a short-circuited, battery-driven pogo stick ruling the heavens. Again ….. no thanks. The Messiah concept belongs to Judaism and to nothing else. If people don’t believe in Judaism then they don’t believe in the Messiah either. As I see it, to believe in Christianity is like believing in dogs but that they “meow” rather than bark. :confused:
 
There's the problem and the top-all reason I cannot believe in Christianity. Who knows if Christ actually said that but the fact that Christians believe it (or believe John, in any case) and it being a mandatory point which Christians themselves require to believe knocks Christianity out of the possibility of being a Messianic order, in my eyes. No thanks. The Jews founded the concept of there being a Messiah, in the first place, plus they set the rules for what the Messiah represents and what the Messiah is meant to achieve. So-called Christians taking the Messiah hostage and treating it as a revision smells of cultism, thinks I. They might just as well believe in an ariel bunny on a short-circuited, battery-driven pogo stick ruling the heavens. Again ….. no thanks. The Messiah concept belongs to Judaism and to nothing else. If people don’t believe in Judaism then they don’t believe in the Messiah either. As I see it, to believe in Christianity is like believing in dogs but that they “meow” rather than bark. :confused:
It helps to the understand the etymology under discussion. 'Messiah', in Biblical times, was not a designation of one, specific individual. 'Messiah' was anointed one, especially those anointed by God. They would include Elijah, Elisha, Hazael, Jehu, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and there were probably others, but these are/were pretty well known.

In Jesus time (and before) people were expecting a human, anointed by God, to become a powerful king in the line of David. Jesus was asked time and again if he were this anointed one (Messiah), and Jesus gave a firm, definite, No. On the other hand, he was anointed by God (Messiah) for another purpose. Jesus mentioned he was the one Moses spoke of. Moses was well before King David, therefore having no knowledge of him--or that the Israelites would eventually demand/choose to be led by a king. Moses, too, was a Messiah, anointed by God to lead the Israelites out of Egypt.

Jews are still expecting a human King, from the line of David, to become a great earthly ruler. The earth could use a great, earthly ruler. Should/when this person comes to be, he would not erase any of the other 'Messiahs' (individuals anointed by God for particular tasks). He, too, would be known as a Messiah--the Messiah expected from Biblical times.

Recall Jesus' appointed/anointed task: It was to announce sins are forgiven, repentance for the forgiveness of sins. He would step up and tell a person, "Your sins are forgiven." The Temple authorities of that day (not good ones) were annoyed, most likely because such a proclamation could affect their revenues. They said there was no such Covenant/Testament with God. Covenants in Biblical times were noted/confirmed by blood sacrifice. As Jesus' would not desist in his proclamations that he was sent (anointed) by God to announce, he was put to death, and his blood and resurrection became the sign of this new Covenant between God and mankind: Sins are forgiven.

Do you believe sins are forgiven? Can you believe Jesus was anointed by God to proclaim this message? This is why some acknowledge Jesus as prophet. The etymology of 'prophet' is one who speaks for God. In John's Gospel, Jesus is introduced as the Word of God, the Word that was one with God from the beginning, and thereby, God. At that time, after his death and resurrection, some came to believe Jesus was both human and divine. And others could not believe in his divinity. So began the split between the two faiths of Judaism and Christianity, a split that has lasted to this day, even though both faiths have the same roots.
 
Jesus was a man not god Christianity is built on bull shit
 

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