Zone1 Jesus as a Jewish Prophet

[Hafar1014]

So sins are not forgiven? Or are you saying there are no sins to forgive?

There is no original sin in Genesis. Forgiveness can only come form one who is the victim. There is no universal sin. That was created to force obedience. There is no reason for Jesus to exist

 

[Meriweather]

There is no original sin in Genesis. Forgiveness can only come form one who is the victim. There is no universal sin. That was created to force obedience. There is no reason for Jesus to exist

1. Does sin exist?
2. Do people sin today, and have they sinned throughout human history?
3. We agree that sins against another person must/should be forgiven by the victim.
4. Are there sins against God? For example, the Commandment states we are to give God first place in our hearts and lives, and we are not to use (ask for things) in his name in vain. We are to keep a day holy for him.
5. What about the feather effect of some sins--those that blossom or drift beyond our reach to ask others for their forgiveness because of the action we started?

Do you believe sins are forgiven? Do you believe sin even exists? Do you believe each individual can build a relationship with God?

The majority of scholars (including Jewish scholars) agree that the man, Jesus, was born and did live in Galilee and surrounding areas. The disagreement is over his divinity. You are not alone in that as it is quite common in those who do not practice the Christian faith.

 

[Hafar1014]

1. Does sin exist?
2. Do people sin today, and have they sinned throughout human history?
3. We agree that sins against another person must/should be forgiven by the victim.
4. Are there sins against God? For example, the Commandment states we are to give God first place in our hearts and lives, and we are not to use (ask for things) in his name in vain. We are to keep a day holy for him.
5. What about the feather effect of some sins--those that blossom or drift beyond our reach to ask others for their forgiveness because of the action we started?

Do you believe sins are forgiven? Do you believe sin even exists? Do you believe each individual can build a relationship with God?

The majority of scholars (including Jewish scholars) agree that the man, Jesus, was born and did live in Galilee and surrounding areas. The disagreement is over his divinity. You are not alone in that as it is quite common in those who do not practice the Christian faith.

Original; sin doesnt exist. In fact the concept immoral itself.

 

[Meriweather]

Original; sin doesnt exist. In fact the concept immoral itself.

You did not answer the questions presented. You do not understand the concept of what was termed 'Original Sin', it's depth and all it entails. Your definition of 'Original Sin' is not necessarily the theological definition in all Christian denominations. As a result, you keep assigning/applying your own definition of Original Sin to all Christian denominations and are therefore arguing only with yourself. You haven't a grasp on what I believe, so trying to debate what you believe I believe about Original Sin means you would have to argue with an imaginary Meriweather that exists only in your own head.

I am more interested in your own faith and what you believe. Seriously, I would be grieved if your own faith was solely about attacking what you believe others believe about Original Sin. That is you just having an imaginary argument with yourself. So....What part does a relationship between God and humanity play in your own faith?

 

[onefour1]

When Jesus comes again the Jews will learn that Jesus was actually their God, even Jehovah, the Great I AM. When the Israelites were brought out of Egypt, it was the plan to have them come to know the God of Israel and to enter His presence. But they rejected this and wanted only Moses to speak to God for them. For this reason they were given the lesser law of Moses to try and bring them unto Christ. When Jesus came to the earth he came to fulfill the law of Moses. He gave them a higher law and restored a higher priesthood once had on the earth before the days of Moses. When He comes again and sets his foot upon the Mount of Olives, this will be the scene.

Doctrine and Covenants 45:48–53

48 And then shall the Lord set his foot upon this mount, and it shall cleave in twain, and the earth shall tremble, and reel to and fro, and the heavens also shall shake.

49 And the Lord shall utter his voice, and all the ends of the earth shall hear it; and the nations of the earth shall mourn, and they that have laughed shall see their folly.

50 And calamity shall cover the mocker, and the scorner shall be consumed; and they that have watched for iniquity shall be hewn down and cast into the fire.

51 And then shall the Jews look upon me and say: What are these wounds in thine hands and in thy feet?

52 Then shall they know that I am the Lord; for I will say unto them: These wounds are the wounds with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. I am he who was lifted up. I am Jesus that was crucified. I am the Son of God.

53 And then shall they weep because of their iniquities; then shall they lament because they persecuted their king.

 

[GLASNOST]

When Jesus comes again the Jews will learn that Jesus was actually their God, even Jehovah, the Great I AM. .

The Jews made a Covenant with God. They are waiting for the Messiah, not a secondary ghost created by cultists.

 

[GLASNOST]

Yeshua, (proper spelling of the name)....

Can't be the "proper spelling" because they didn't use your alphabet.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Jesus H. Christ founded the Christian faith, which is totally opposed to Judaism.

so why would he be recognized as a prophet by a rival faith.

The Buddha was born into the Hindu Religion, they don't recognize him as a prophet for much the same reason. He started a competing faith.

I dont agree that Christianty and Judaism are totally opposed. The overlap is so clear that only the most ardent supporter of either religion would pretend they are signifanctly different. There are key differences for certain, especially in rituals, but both pray to the same G-d even if they don't know this. The 613 mitzvot more demanding than the.NewTestament but as a student of.both at one time or another, the spirit of each faith is very similar. Progress nas been driven from both in an.adapting world, tbis is unique in and of itself. The key is to live the faith, not just recite Commands.