Zone1 Jesus as a Jewish Prophet

[Cassandro]

It perplexes me that Jesus is not acknowledged as a Jewish Prophet or even as a legitimate Rabbi. His teachings seem to be consistent with earlier Jewish Prophets, and his reforms regarding animal sacrifices and the destruction of the Temple were effected soon after his death. Objections to his claim of divine authority hardly seem like justification for ignoring everything else he said. It is as if all of Newton's theories about gravity should have been ignored because he also believed in alchemy.

Can it be reasonably postulated that, otherwise, Judaism might have become the world's largest religion?

 

[shockedcanadian]

It perplexes me that Jesus is not acknowledged as a Jewish Prophet or even as a legitimate Rabbi. His teachings seem to be consistent with earlier Jewish Prophets, and his reforms regarding animal sacrifices and the destruction of the Temple were effected soon after his death. Objections to his claim of divine authority hardly seem like justification for ignoring everything else he said. It is as if all of Newton's theories about gravity should have been ignored because he also believed in alchemy.

Can it be reasonably postulated that, otherwise, Judaism might have become the world's largest religion?

There are many who question the assertion that he was a prophet but I've not heard anyone question his position as a Rabbi. Who has questioned this?

Some has suggested that his followers referred to him only as a teacher, not as a Rabbi, but I beg to differ. Realistically, he did more to promote Judaism theology than any other Jew in history even though his followers basically created their own sect of Judaism which deviated from the Torah. The underlying premise is Judaism, hence the term Judeo-Christian values due to the immense overlap, even if there are key differences, especially in rituals and lineage.

 

[rosends]

It perplexes me that Jesus is not acknowledged as a Jewish Prophet or even as a legitimate Rabbi. His teachings seem to be consistent with earlier Jewish Prophets, and his reforms regarding animal sacrifices and the destruction of the Temple were effected soon after his death. Objections to his claim of divine authority hardly seem like justification for ignoring everything else he said. It is as if all of Newton's theories about gravity should have been ignored because he also believed in alchemy.

Can it be reasonably postulated that, otherwise, Judaism might have become the world's largest religion?

You have a few distinct points here. First is the question of Jesus as "prophet." Judaism teaches that the era of prophecy ended about 300 years before Jesus was reportedly born. So that's out.

Next up, the question if whether he was a "rabbi." That word might be used in a variety of ways and, sure, one definition would include the Jesus in the gospel stories. But many of his teachings fly in the face of Judaism and seem incompatible with Judaism. He said nothing which was needed by the religious Jewish community.

 

[Polishprince]

Jesus H. Christ founded the Christian faith, which is totally opposed to Judaism.

so why would he be recognized as a prophet by a rival faith.

The Buddha was born into the Hindu Religion, they don't recognize him as a prophet for much the same reason. He started a competing faith.

 

[GLASNOST]

Jesus as a Jewish Prophet​

He was never anything other than that. He may have been a very bad Jew or perhaps (and more likely) his followers were bad Jews who misrepresented him.

 

[ReinyDays]

There are many who question the assertion that he was a prophet but I've not heard anyone question his position as a Rabbi. Who has questioned this?

The Muslims living in Christian communities agree Jesus was a great prophet ... just that Muhammad is the LAST prophet, and thus more important ...

I wouldn't know about Muslims living in Muslim communities ...

 

[Cassandro]

You have a few distinct points here. First is the question of Jesus as "prophet." Judaism teaches that the era of prophecy ended about 300 years before Jesus was reportedly born. So that's out.

Wasn't that taught after his death (in order to discredit him)?

Next up, the question if whether he was a "rabbi." That word might be used in a variety of ways and, sure, one definition would include the Jesus in the gospel stories. But many of his teachings fly in the face of Judaism and seem incompatible with Judaism.

Which of his teachings (other than divine authority) were incompatible with Judaism?

He said nothing which was needed by the religious Jewish community.

Didn't he influence the change in emphasis from Mosaic Law to Rabbinical teaching?

 

[shockedcanadian]

For those who question is status as a Rabbi:

And Jesus answered and said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you,” and he said, “Rabbi, speak” (Luke 7:40).

And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, “Rabbi, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” (Luke 10:25 - Matthew 23:36).

And one of the company said unto him, “Rabbi, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me” (Luke 12:13).

And behold, a man came up to him and said, “Rabbi, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” (Matthew 19:16 - Luke 18:18).

And some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to him, “Rabbi, rebuke your disciples” (Luke 19:39).

And they asked him, saying, “Rabbi, we know that you speak and teach rightly, and show no partiality, but teach the way of God truly…” (Luke 20:21 - Matthew 22:16).

Then there came to him some of the Sadducees…and they asked him, saying, “Rabbi…” (Luke 20:27 - Matthew 22:23-24).

 

[Polishprince]

For those who question is status as a Rabbi:

Jesus Christ was a rabbi, but he wasn't a rabbi in the Jewish Religion.

If he were , he would have worn the official uniform of Jewish rabbis

 

[rosends]

Wasn't that taught after his death (in order to discredit him)?

No it was taught before his death.

Which of his teachings (other than divine authority) were incompatible with Judaism?

The 6 antitheses, the statement about eating kosher food and sacred grain, cursing a tree. Stuff like that.

Didn't he influence the change in emphasis from Mosaic Law to Rabbinical teaching?

No, he endorsed what was already there.

 

[ReinyDays]

Jesus Christ was a rabbi, but he wasn't a rabbi in the Jewish Religion.

If he were , he would have worn the official uniform of Jewish rabbis
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Jesus was a Jew ... in fact, his mother was of the House of David ... descended from kings ... Joseph as well, for Jews that matters ... for Christians, not as much ... as pointed out above, there's plenty of Biblical references to Jesus being called a rabbi by Jews ...

The question is what did that mean in Jesus' time ... after 2,000 years, the word /rabbi/ may have changed ... 1st Century Jews butchered the English language ...

 

[GLASNOST]

..... there's plenty of Biblical references to Jesus being called a rabbi ... The question is what did that mean in Jesus' time ...

Yes.

 

[Cassandro]

No it was taught before his death.

Messianic Prophesy was alive and well at the time of Jesus.

The 6 antitheses, the statement about eating kosher food and sacred grain, cursing a tree. Stuff like that.

Which of the 6 Antitheses do you disagree with? Do you eat cheeseburgers or sacrifice animals?

No, he endorsed what was already there.

Do you still follow 613 Commandments?

P.S. I am not attacking Judaism. I am trying to understand who Jesus was.

 

[rosends]

Messianic Prophesy was alive and well at the time of Jesus.

Not according to Judaism. Messianic prophecies existed from earlier eras. But the era of prophecy was over.

Which of the 6 Antitheses do you disagree with? Do you eat cheeseburgers or sacrifice animals?

I disagree with his unilateral teaching of things forbidden when they are not forbidden according to the law. And, no, I don't eat cheese burgers and I cannot sacrifice animals because of the destruction of the temple.

Do you still follow 613 Commandments?

You do understand that not all 613 apply to most individuals. I follow (as well as I can, and I try to get better) the ones that apply to me.

P.S. I am not attacking Judaism. I am trying to understand who Jesus was.

But if you are asking why Jews have an opinion about Jesus, then you have to understand the answers as they come FROM Judaism.

 

[Cassandro]

But if you are asking why Jews have an opinion about Jesus, then you have to understand the answers as they come FROM Judaism.

I am asking why Jews don't have an opinion about about Jesus, at least one they are willing to share. He is one of the most important Jewish personages in world history, yet he seems to be ignored by them. What is your opinion of him?

 

[rosends]

I am asking why Jews don't have an opinion about about Jesus, at least one they are willing to share.

who says Jews don't? In fact, many Jews have many opinions. Some see Jesus as a reformer who tried to change the religion to make it more attractive to people. Others see him as a villain who stained Judaism. May ignore him because he doesn't matter to Judaism. But your first question was why Jews don't view Jesus as a prophet, and that's because according to Judaism, he could not have been.

He is one of the most important Jewish personages in world history, yet he seems to be ignored by them. What is your opinion of him?

He isn't important to Judaism except for the impact the religion that exists in his name has had on Jews. I'm not sure he existed but if he did, then he might have been an itinerant teacher who wanted to change the nature of Judaism. He might have been a political thorn in the side of Rome. But the other problem is that what we know of Jesus comes from the gospels which have claims that don't make sense according to Judaism. So with a story that flawed, why waste too much time on it?

 

[ReinyDays]

Messianic Prophesy was alive and well at the time of Jesus.

Which of the 6 Antitheses do you disagree with? Do you eat cheeseburgers or sacrifice animals?

Do you still follow 613 Commandments?

P.S. I am not attacking Judaism. I am trying to understand who Jesus was.

Christ is a lifestyle ... a doctrine ... live Him with a whole heart and understanding may come ... or not ... one could spend several lifetimes and still be no closer to The Truth ...

Of course I eat cheeseburgers ... cows are clean ... and I've sacrificed animals behind the orphanage ... feeding hungry children always makes God smile, even if we stretch the rules a little ...

 

[Votto]

You have a few distinct points here. First is the question of Jesus as "prophet." Judaism teaches that the era of prophecy ended about 300 years before Jesus was reportedly born. So that's out.

Next up, the question if whether he was a "rabbi." That word might be used in a variety of ways and, sure, one definition would include the Jesus in the gospel stories. But many of his teachings fly in the face of Judaism and seem incompatible with Judaism. He said nothing which was needed by the religious Jewish community.

Where does the teaching that prophesy ended 300 years prior to Christ come from?

 

[Polishprince]

Where does the teaching that prophesy ended 300 years prior to Christ come from?

Its part of the Jewish faith that Malachi is the last prophet, and he lived 300 or so years before Christ.

 

[rosends]

Where does the teaching that prophesy ended 300 years prior to Christ come from?

the Oral Law (you can start with the Braita mentioned on Yoma 9b)