JERUSALEM: The Heart Of The Jewish Nation

[Indeependent]

Why don't you ask the Muslims as they have stolen way more land?
Too bad your Mullah restricts you from using Google.

If you study torah for 8 hours a day as you claim, you must have some way around the oaths or feel for some reason, they don't apply to you. Can you explain the hypocrisy?

Too bad your Mullah restricts you from using Google.
You are very good at Copy/Pasting other nonsense, simply Google "3 oaths", Copy it and change the text to fit your agenda and post it.
Will your Mullah have you beheaded if you Google it?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Tell the UN - Jerusalem is Israel's Capital

 

[abi]

Tell the UN - Jerusalem is Israel's Capital

Tell Trump - Jerusalem is not part of Israel.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Tell the UN - Jerusalem is Israel's Capital

Tell Trump - Jerusalem is not part of Israel.

Too Late !!!

You Lose !!!

 

[Shusha]

For me, and I have said this before, and I will maintain this stand, Jerusalem can ONLY be corpus separatum. There is no way that it can ever be exclusively Jewish, at least not if there is ever to be some form of peace.

Why not? Every other civil dispute and division of territory has managed to work it out. Why not in this case too? As long as everyone has access to the holy places (possible ONLY with Israeli sovereignty), why is it a problem?

 

[Penelope]

Only thing is ... Palestine isn't a country ... legally, historically, or in any other manner.

It was a country longer than Israel was, Israel was never a country till 48 when they declared themselves one.

 

[Penelope]

I hope that you, your friends and family do not get wrapped up in any future events

I’m guessing your expression of hope is somewhat less than sincere.

Why?

Why would I want things to escalate in the ME because an idiot decision by the idiot in America?

Finding a peaceful solution is NOT going to happen with the actions of Trump, quite the opposite!

It's been American law that the Embassy has to be moved to Jerusalem, since 1995. How many times can a 6-month waiver be signed?

It was never intended to be, many say stupid stuff to get into office, just like Trump did, the problem, Trump didn't know it was stupid.

 

[Penelope]

Defending yourself from an attacking force is a war crime?

No, taking land in war is. I was clear here.

Except the Palestinians who claim Jerusalem ad their capital as do you. Your flopping around is becoming laughable.

No flopping at all, it was the center of Palestine for centuries where Jews, Muslims and Christians all worshiped.

It's legal definition as international territory is a different thing.

<<Jerusalem was the center of Palestine for centuries. >>

Islam’s Tenuous Connection

Despite 1,300 years of Muslim Arab rule, Jerusalem was never the capital of an Arab entity, nor was it ever mentioned in the Palestine Liberation Organization’s covenant until Israel regained control of East Jerusalem in the Six-Day War of 1967.

Overall, the role of Jerusalem in Islam is best understood as the outcome of political exigencies impacting on religious belief.

Mohammed, who founded Islam in 622 CE, was born and raised in present-day Saudi Arabia; he never set foot in Jerusalem. His connection to the city came years after his death when the Dome of the Rock shrine and the al-Aqsa mosque were built in 688 and 691, respectively, their construction spurred by political and religious rivalries. In 638 CE, the Caliph (or successor to Mohammed) Omar and his invading armies captured Jerusalem from the Byzantine Empire. One reason they wanted to erect a holy structure in Jerusalem was to proclaim Islam’s supremacy8 over Christianity and its most important shrine, the Church of the Holy Sepulcher.

More important was the power struggle within Islam itself. The Damascus-based Umayyad Caliphs who controlled Jerusalem wanted to establish an alternative holy site if their rivals blocked access to Mecca. That was important because the Hajj or pilgrimage to Mecca was (and remains today) one of the Five Pillars of Islam. As a result, they built what became known as the Dome of the Rock shrine and the adjacent mosque.9

To enhance the prestige of the ‘substitute Mecca,’ the Jerusalem mosque was named al-Aqsa. It means ‘the furthest mosque’ in Arabic, but has far broader implications, since it is the same phrase used in a key passage of the Quran called “The Night Journey.” In that passage, Mohammed arrives at ‘al-Aqsa’ on a winged steed accompanied by the Archangel Gabriel; from there they ascend into heaven for a divine meeting with Allah, after which Mohammed returns to Mecca. Naming the Jerusalem mosque al-Aqsa was an attempt to say the Dome of the Rock was the very spot from which Mohammed ascended to heaven, thus tying Jerusalem to divine revelation in Islamic belief.

Jerusalem never replaced the importance of Mecca in the Islamic world. When the Umayyad dynasty fell in 750, Jerusalem also fell into near obscurity for 350 years, until the Crusades. During those centuries, many Islamic sites in Jerusalem fell into disrepair and in 1016 the Dome of the Rock collapsed.10

Still, for 1,300 years, various Islamic dynasties (Syrian, Egyptian, and Turkish) continued to govern Jerusalem as part of their overall control of the Land of Israel, disrupted only by the Crusaders. What is amazing is that over that period, not one Islamic dynasty ever made Jerusalem its capital.11 By the 19th century, Jerusalem had been so neglected by Islamic rulers that several prominent Western writers who visited Jerusalem were moved to write about it. French writer Gustav Flaubert, for example, found “ruins everywhere” during his visit in 1850 when it was part of the Turkish Empire (1516-1917). Seventeen years later Mark Twain wrote that Jerusalem had “become a pauper village.”12

Indeed, Jerusalem’s importance in the Islamic world only appears evident when non-Muslims (including the Crusaders, the British, and the Jews) control or capture the city.13 Only at those points in history did Islamic leaders claim Jerusalem as their third most holy city after Mecca and Medina.14 That was again the case in 1967, when Israel captured Jordanian-controlled East Jerusalem (and the Old City) during the 1967 Six-Day War. Oddly, the PLO’s National Covenant, written in 1964, never mentioned Jerusalem. Only after Israel regained control of the entire city did the PLO updated its Covenant to include Jerusalem.

(full article online)

Jerusalem

Of course all the above is taken out of context. Twain who took a trip to Palestine found it to be backwards but there were people there and houses.

Islam started same time as Judaism did, you are the same people , come from the same loins, Abraham according to the scriptures. No book may of been wrote, they got help by the Hebrews, like the torah was wrote long after Moses, so was the Quran. Who do you think Ishmael was?

Anyway, you Hebrews stole the land then, and stole the Canaanites gods and never were you a country before being self declared in 48. Most Hebrews do not know their history.

 

[Penelope]

They Anti Zionists say really stupid things in the last day. They're really depressed. Pity.

In the last day? No we are just be honest.

 

[fncceo]

Islam started same time as Judaism

Yes, only a mere 5,000 years apart.

 

[Penelope]

Funny, because the Mandate for Palestine, as far as Israel goes, WAS implemented.

Exactly! Now ask another people for more than half of their land and see how many say 'sure.'

No one asked for half of any land that was not owned by Arabs-Moslems. Did you forget, or did you not understand that the land area referred to as Pal'istan was controlled by the Ottoman Turks who relinquished all rights and title to the Mandatory?

And then it was called Mandatory Palestine, and the Brits gave it to some secular jews to protect the Suez Canal and then you bombed the King David motel and kicked the Brits out. Yes there were empires in those days, by the way Ottoman Turks are Muslims and the main religion of the Ottoman era was Islam. What are you 10.

 

[Penelope]

Islam started same time as Judaism

Yes, only a mere 5,000 years apart.

No same father, Abraham. You and the Arabs, if you prefer Muslims are the same. Of course you are not from Israel, Judea, or any part of that land, and not even an Arab which Jews were. The only difference was the dialect. Jews and Muslims, same. You? ancestors probably staying in Babylon, many did, most did, and your ancestors began their diaspora long before Alexander the Great.

 

[rylah]

Funny, because the Mandate for Palestine, as far as Israel goes, WAS implemented.

Exactly! Now ask another people for more than half of their land and see how many say 'sure.'

No one asked for half of any land that was not owned by Arabs-Moslems. Did you forget, or did you not understand that the land area referred to as Pal'istan was controlled by the Ottoman Turks who relinquished all rights and title to the Mandatory?

And then it was called Mandatory Palestine, and the Brits gave it to some secular jews to protect the Suez Canal and then you bombed the King David motel and kicked the Brits out. Yes there were empires in those days, by the way Ottoman Turks are Muslims and the main religion of the Ottoman era was Islam. What are you 10.

Both Arabs and Jews fought against the British govt in Palestine.

 

[Humanity]

For me, and I have said this before, and I will maintain this stand, Jerusalem can ONLY be corpus separatum. There is no way that it can ever be exclusively Jewish, at least not if there is ever to be some form of peace.

Why not? Every other civil dispute and division of territory has managed to work it out. Why not in this case too? As long as everyone has access to the holy places (possible ONLY with Israeli sovereignty), why is it a problem?

Because East Jerusalem is occupied territory. It's not rocket science Shusha!

Tell ya what, yeah, let's move the American embassy to Jerusalem WHEN Israel gives up the illegally held territories.

 

[rylah]

Islam started same time as Judaism

Yes, only a mere 5,000 years apart.

No same father, Abraham. You and the Arabs, if you prefer Muslims are the same. Of course you are not from Israel, Judea, or any part of that land, and not even an Arab which Jews were. The only difference was the dialect. Jews and Muslims, same. You? ancestors probably staying in Babylon, many did, most did, and your ancestors began their diaspora long before Alexander the Great.

When Ishmael and Jacob buried their father Abraham, Ishmael respected his brother Jacob although he was younger. This is essential.

Any historic mention of Muslims before the 7th century?

 

[fncceo]

Because East Jerusalem is occupied territory.

Occupied by Palestinians... but not for long.

 

[Penelope]

Islam started same time as Judaism

Yes, only a mere 5,000 years apart.

No same father, Abraham. You and the Arabs, if you prefer Muslims are the same. Of course you are not from Israel, Judea, or any part of that land, and not even an Arab which Jews were. The only difference was the dialect. Jews and Muslims, same. You? ancestors probably staying in Babylon, many did, most did, and your ancestors began their diaspora long before Alexander the Great.

When Ishmael and Jacob buried their father Abraham, Ishmael respected his brother Jacob although he was younger. This is essential.

Any historic mention of Muslims before the 7th century?

well they sure talked about Abraham in the Quran. What did the jews write the Quran? Perhaps Jews got their info from Islam.

 

[Penelope]

Islam started same time as Judaism

Yes, only a mere 5,000 years apart.

No same father, Abraham. You and the Arabs, if you prefer Muslims are the same. Of course you are not from Israel, Judea, or any part of that land, and not even an Arab which Jews were. The only difference was the dialect. Jews and Muslims, same. You? ancestors probably staying in Babylon, many did, most did, and your ancestors began their diaspora long before Alexander the Great.

When Ishmael and Jacob buried their father Abraham, Ishmael respected his brother Jacob although he was younger. This is essential.

Any historic mention of Muslims before the 7th century?

There is no historic writing of Jews either, except in the bible. Where oh where did you come from. Egypt? Please.

 

[rylah]

Islam started same time as Judaism

Yes, only a mere 5,000 years apart.

No same father, Abraham. You and the Arabs, if you prefer Muslims are the same. Of course you are not from Israel, Judea, or any part of that land, and not even an Arab which Jews were. The only difference was the dialect. Jews and Muslims, same. You? ancestors probably staying in Babylon, many did, most did, and your ancestors began their diaspora long before Alexander the Great.

When Ishmael and Jacob buried their father Abraham, Ishmael respected his brother Jacob although he was younger. This is essential.

Any historic mention of Muslims before the 7th century?

There is no historic writing of Jews either, except in the bible. Where oh where did you come from. Egypt? Please.

Give me a break, You say this in 2017 with Google at Your hands...No mention of Israel or Jews prior to Islam, really?? Any mention of Muslims before 7th century?

You're delusional, there were no Muslims before Jews, and no Muslims until late 7th century.
If not for the Jewish scribes and culture Arabs might have stayed pagan worshippers of a black stone and the moon.

 

[there4eyeM]

JERUSALEM: The Heart Of The Jewish Nation

If it is a 'Jewish'/religious state, how can U.S. tax dollars be used to support it, in view of the First Amendment?