It's still getting hotter

[mamooth]

He likes more "capacity" that generates less actual reliable electricity.

Todd is a big fan of the Texas failure-model of a power grid, designed to have the fossil fuel plants fail and jack up prices.

And when that was happening, the renewables were the reliable thing.

 

[mamooth]

The planet warms

The oceans keep warming as the atmosphere warms, proving your crank theory is wrong.

It doesn't matter how much nonsense you babble, how fervently you deflect, or how upset you get about being wrong. The facts say you're wrong, so you're wrong.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Todd is a big fan of the Texas failure-model of a power grid, designed to fail and jack up prices.

And when that was happening, the renewables were the reliable thing.

How much solar do we need to install in Chicago to power us during
a cold, dark, snowy February?

Twice the capacity of a typical day's usage?
Triple? Quadruple? More?

 

[ding]

The oceans keep warming as the atmosphere warms, proving your crank theory is wrong.

It doesn't matter how much nonsense you babble, how fervently you deflect, or how upset you get about being wrong. The facts say you're wrong, so you're wrong.

The ocean is warming because the sun is shining on it and the northern hemisphere is deglaciating because heat is being circulated from the Atlantic to the Arctic. If heat from the Atlantic wasn't being circulated to the Arctic the planet would be cooling even as the sun continued to shine upon it. You are a moron.

 

[Crick]

The sun has done NOTHING that could have caused the oceans to warm as they have in the last 50 years. Besides the lack of any trend in the TSI data, note the fucking scale of this graph. The 11-year variance is essentially 1/1366th or 7 one-hundredths of one percent.

 

[ding]

The sun has done NOTHING that could have caused the oceans to warm as they have in the last 50 years. Besides the lack of any trend in the TSI data, note the fucking scale of this graph. The 11-year variance is essentially 1/1366th or 7 one-hundredths of one percent.

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The sun is always warming the oceans. Heat builds up in the ocean and the atmosphere when the Atlantic circulates that heat to the Arctic and the northern hemisphere deglaciates. When heat circulation is disrupted from the Atlantic to the Arctic the northern hemisphere glaciates and the ocean and the atmosphere cools.

So it's not about the strength of the sun, dummy, it's how the ocean distributes that heat and the corresponding change that occurs in the northern hemisphere. It's either glaciating or deglaciating.

 

[ding]

The sun has done NOTHING that could have caused the oceans to warm as they have in the last 50 years.

It's funny that you think the atmosphere has more of an effect than the sun does.

The ocean is the largest solar collector on the planet.

According to you the atmosphere is only 1.5C warmer and you think a 1.5C difference matters? Really? The atmosphere is only 1/300th the mass of the ocean. There's no real heat being stored in the atmosphere. Air is a poor conductor of heat.

Hilarious. Maybe do some math.

 

[Crick]

It's funny that you think the atmosphere has more of an effect than the sun does.

You need to stop lying about what I have and have not said.

The ocean is the largest solar collector on the planet.

That doesn't help you.

According to you the atmosphere is only 1.5C warmer and you think a 1.5C difference matters?

Your ignorance just blows me away, over and over and over again. That 1.5C INCLUDES the increased temperature of the ocean. As you can probably figure, it is, in fact the largest part of it. God are you fucking STUPID!!!

Really? The atmosphere is only 1/300th the mass of the ocean. There's no real heat being stored in the atmosphere. Air is a poor conductor of heat.

Hilarious. Maybe do some math.

Any normal person would have quit this self-debasement a long time ago.

 

[ding]

You need to stop lying about what I have and have not said.

That doesn't help you.

Your ignorance just blows me away, over and over and over again. That 1.5C INCLUDES the increased temperature of the ocean. As you can probably figure, it is, in fact the largest part of it. God are you fucking STUPID!!!

Any normal person would have quit this self-debasement a long time ago.

Ocean currents establish climate.
The ocean is the largest collector of solar energy.
The ocean stores the majority of the planet's heat.
The ocean is the largest feature of the planet.
The mass of the ocean is 300 times the mass of the atmosphere.
The ocean contains 1000 times more heat than the ocean.
The ocean heats the atmosphere.
The atmosphere does not heat the ocean.
Physical evidence shows that when ocean currents change, the climate changes.
Physical evidence shows ocean currents are responsible for northern hemisphere glaciation.
Physical evidence shows ocean currents are responsible for the initiation of the Little Ice Age.
Physical evidence shows ocean currents are responsible for the end of the Little Ice Age.
The current warming trend began 250 years before the industrial revolution.
The geologic record is littered with examples of naturally caused warming and cooling trends.
Empirical climate evidence shows the planet cooled for millions of years with >600 ppm of CO2.
The last interglacial period was 2C warmer with 26ft higher seas and 120ppm less CO2 than today.

 

[Crick]

Ocean currents establish climate.
The ocean is the largest collector of solar energy.
The ocean stores the majority of the planet's heat.
The ocean is the largest feature of the planet.
The mass of the ocean is 300 times the mass of the atmosphere.
The ocean contains 1000 times more heat than the ocean.
The ocean heats the atmosphere.
The atmosphere does not heat the ocean.
Physical evidence shows that when ocean currents change, the climate changes.
Physical evidence shows ocean currents are responsible for northern hemisphere glaciation.
Physical evidence shows ocean currents are responsible for the initiation of the Little Ice Age.
Physical evidence shows ocean currents are responsible for the end of the Little Ice Age.
The current warming trend began 250 years before the industrial revolution.
The geologic record is littered with examples of naturally caused warming and cooling trends.
Empirical climate evidence shows the planet cooled for millions of years with >600 ppm of CO2.
The last interglacial period was 2C warmer with 26ft higher seas and 120ppm less CO2 than today.

Shove your head up your ass and JUMP!!!

 

[ding]

Shove your head up your ass and JUMP!!!

That's priceless.

 

[Crick]

That's priceless.

Go fuck yourself you braindead slimeball ratfuck asshole.

 

[ding]

Go fuck yourself you braindead slimeball ratfuck asshole.

 

[Robert W]

Because it's factual, and not debatable by anyone with any common sense.

Thus, it triggers deniers hard.

Looks as if it triggered alarmists far more than it does me.

 

[Crick]

Looks as if it triggered alarmists far more than it does me.

ding did not trigger me with his arguments. He triggered me with his bullheaded, willful ignorance and lies.

 

[mamooth]

The ocean is warming because the sun is shining on it and the northern hemisphere is deglaciating because heat is being circulated from the Atlantic to the Arctic.

The sun didn't change, yet the oceans suddenly started warming fast.

Your theory doesn't explain that, so your theory is wrong.

 

[Robert W]

ding did not trigger me with his arguments. He triggered me with his bullheaded, willful ignorance and lies.

Tell me this please. Why do you post on this topic? Are you financially connected to it?

 

[Robert W]

The sun didn't change, yet the oceans suddenly started warming fast.

Your theory doesn't explain that, so your theory is wrong.

Fast? .14 degree F per decade is hardly fast.

Climate Change Indicators: Sea Surface Temperature | US EPA

This indicator describes global trends in sea surface temperature.

www.epa.gov

 

[Crick]

Fast? .14 degree F per decade is hardly fast.

Climate Change Indicators: Sea Surface Temperature | US EPA

This indicator describes global trends in sea surface temperature.

www.epa.gov

The amount of energy required to change the ocean's temperature is enormous. Ask ding.

 

[Resnic]

We have seen recently in this thread postings showing trends in the occurrence of both high and low temperature records around the planet. High temperature records have been increasing in numbers while low temperature records have been decreasing. This is taking place concurrently with rising global temperatures, so it should surprise no one. But it does supply an independent verification of the data sets. Recently, we have the added tidbit of a new record set, Sunday, 21 June, for the highest average global temperature in recorded history. With the advantage of hindsight, I now know that some will not be impressed with a record within only "recorded history" when there are 4.5 billion years in which the planet had some sort of average temperature and I guess we shouldn't be all that impressed with a global average ov 17.6C when bounced against a planet covered head to toe with boiling magma. However, just FYI, for purposes of meteorology and climate science, recorded history is considered that span of time during which sufficiently accurate and sufficiently widespread data are available. All those nerds in their white coats and ivory towers came up with 1850. That is 174 years back or a span of roughly 63,510 days (they didn't give me a month, day, hour, minute, second or anything else, those stingy bastards). That goes back, my calculations indicate, further back than your parents, your grandparents or your great grandparents. And, if we are NOT getting steadily warmer, it is an exceedingly rare ocurrence. Picking one, specific, random day in 63,510 days to be the hottest ever is equivalent to throwing heads 17 times in a row. Give it a shot and then get back to me. DON'T lose count. Of course, if, as all the world's scientists tell us, the world is getting steadily hotter, the odds of last Sunday being the hottest ever is nothing to get a woody ah-boot. In fact, it's kinda unavoidable, in'nt it.

So, there's a fair number of you folks that claim to believe anthropogenic (man-made) global warming is a "HOAX". "It's a LIE". Folks believe it ISN"T actually taking place. I'd like to talk to such folks. I'd really like to hear why they believe such things. I'd really like to hear a conceivable chain of events that could have produced the current temperature data record out of thin air. If anyone would like to give it a serious go, I can promise to do my very best on this occasion to withhold my usual bitter vituperation. Whether that's good enough, only time will tell.

MSN

MSN

And the antartica used to be a rainforest. Millions of years before man even invented the wheel. So what's the point other than to say "yes the climate is changing, it has been for billions of years"?

Remains of 90 million-year-old rainforest discovered under Antarctic ice

Fossil traces of an ancient rainforest were just unearthed in West Antarctica.

www.livescience.com