It's still getting hotter

[Crick]

I don't believe I have. I am telling you that the ocean is a massive reservoir of heat. The atmosphere is not. The ocean contains 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere. It the world's largest solar collector on the planet.

But please feel free to tell me how much more heat you believe the ocean contains compared to the atmosphere.

Not until you convince me I'm not wasting my breath. You've said nothing to convince me that you understand the difference between those two concepts. If you think you do, try again.

 

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Not until you convince me I'm not wasting my breath. You've said nothing to convince me that you understand the difference between those two concepts. If you think you do, try again.

Really? I have to convince you that the ocean stores the vast majority of the planet's heat?

I've posted a graphic that literally shows the calculations. It seems to me that if you disagree with that you should post something similar. Your problem is that what I have posted is true so you can't post anything which opposes it because that doesn't exist.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The IPCC did tell us that it was a wealth distribution scheme

Frank you repeat lines fed to you by big oil. They knew about this in the 60s and covered it up. Then they financed deniers.
Its one of the biggest cons of the last hundred years. But big oil is too powerful to tackle and they own both parties.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Frank you repeat lines fed to you by big oil. They knew about this in the 60s and covered it up. Then they financed deniers.
Its one of the biggest cons of the last hundred years. But big oil is too powerful to tackle and they own both parties.

Yes whenever I pull into a gas station they tell me “there’s no such thing as manmade climate change”

Also, the gas station attendant asked me these 2 questions

Question #1: if the entire planet survives 50 to 60F changes twice EVERY YEAR, why is an imaginary 1F change over 150 years a “crisis”?

Question #2: has there ever been a single laboratory experiment controlling for changes in CO2 from 280 to 400PPM that demonstrates any temperature increase at all?

Maybe you can answer one or both?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Not until you convince me I'm not wasting my breath. You've said nothing to convince me that you understand the difference between those two concepts. If you think you do, try again.

That’s a weak response

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Yes whenever I pull into a gas station they tell me “there’s no such thing as manmade climate change”

Also, the gas station attendant asked me these 2 questions

Question #1: if the entire planet survives 50 to 60F changes twice EVERY YEAR, why is an imaginary 1F change over 150 years a “crisis”?

Question #2: has there ever been a single laboratory experiment controlling for changes in CO2 from 280 to 400PPM that demonstrates any temperature increase at all?

Maybe you can answer one or both?

I think their shit is a bit more nuanced rgan that Frank. I guessthis is one conspiracy you dont believe in.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I think their shit is a bit more nuanced rgan that Frank. I guessthis is one conspiracy you dont believe in.

So, no answer, just gaslighting the gas station attendants?

See how little you leave me to work with?

Those were genuine scientific questions

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How is it the we survive 50 to 60F increases and decreases twice every single year?

DENIER!!!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Frank you repeat lines fed to you by big oil. They knew about this in the 60s and covered it up. Then they financed deniers.
Its one of the biggest cons of the last hundred years. But big oil is too powerful to tackle and they own both parties.

They knew about this in the 60s and covered it up.

They covered up the Greenhouse Effect? DURR

 

[Crick]

Really? I have to convince you that the ocean stores the vast majority of the planet's heat?

I've posted a graphic that literally shows the calculations. It seems to me that if you disagree with that you should post something similar. Your problem is that what I have posted is true so you can't post anything which opposes it because that doesn't exist.

No. The difference between thermal content and specific heat capacity. Just look them up for Christ's sake.

 

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No. The difference between thermal content and specific heat capacity. Just look them up for Christ's sake.

Why don't you tell me what you think the total heat of the ocean and the atmosphere is?

Because I'm not going to argue about it with you. I've already looked it up. The ocean has 300 times more mass than the atmosphere. The ocean contains 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere.

Why don't you tell me how much mass and heat the atmosphere and ocean have?

Because this should be self evident. Water is an excellent conductor of heat. Air is a poor conductor of heat.

Quit playing dumb and start being honest.

 

[Crick]

Why don't you tell me what you think the total heat of the ocean and the atmosphere is?

Because I'm not going to argue about it with you. I've already looked it up. The ocean has 300 times more mass than the atmosphere. The ocean contains 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere.

Why don't you tell me how much mass and heat the atmosphere and ocean have?

Because this should be self evident. Water is an excellent conductor of heat. Air is a poor conductor of heat.

Quit playing dumb and start being honest.

You have to have looked them up by now. That you still don't bring the proper terms into the discussion tells me that you probably don't understand one or both concepts. And they're NOT that complicated. At all.

 

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You have to have looked them up by now. That you still don't bring the proper terms into the discussion tells me that you probably don't understand one or both concepts. And they're NOT that complicated. At all.

I have. 300 times the mass. 1000 times the heat. It's pretty simple stuff.

 

[Captain Caveman]

The request was for a point within the last 800,000 years.

If you look at the graph, did you notice the steep rise and fall to temperature and co2? (probably more silence)

 

[Crick]

If you look at the graph, did you notice the steep rise and fall to temperature and co2? (probably more silence)

Do you understand the difference between the 'apparent' slope of a line on a 570 million year scale and one on a scale of 800,000 years?

Let's imagine two plots. Both cover, say, 1,000 ppm CO2 on the vertical scale but one's horizontal scale is 600 million years and the others is 1 million years. Both plots show a data trend making a 45 degree angle with the horizontal. What are the actual rates shown on both graphs.

Graph one changed 1,000 ppm in 600 million years. That is a rate of 1.667E-6 ppm/year. The other changed 1,000 ppm in 1 million years. It's rate is 1.0E-3. Versteht?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Do you understand the difference between the 'apparent' slope of a line on a 570 million year scale and one on a scale of 800,000 years?

Let's imagine two plots. Both cover, say, 1,000 ppm CO2 on the vertical scale but one's horizontal scale is 600 million years and the others is 1 million years. Both plots show a data trend making a 45 degree angle with the horizontal. What are the actual rates shown on both graphs.

Graph one changed 1,000 ppm in 600 million years. That is a rate of 1.667E-6 ppm/year. The other changed 1,000 ppm in 1 million years. It's rate is 1.0E-3. Versteht?

But no one on the planet knows how fast at any point in history how fast temperature or co2 altered.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Do you understand the difference between the 'apparent' slope of a line on a 570 million year scale and one on a scale of 800,000 years?

Let's imagine two plots. Both cover, say, 1,000 ppm CO2 on the vertical scale but one's horizontal scale is 600 million years and the others is 1 million years. Both plots show a data trend making a 45 degree angle with the horizontal. What are the actual rates shown on both graphs.

Graph one changed 1,000 ppm in 600 million years. That is a rate of 1.667E-6 ppm/year. The other changed 1,000 ppm in 1 million years. It's rate is 1.0E-3. Versteht?

Like the slope of temperature change over 140 years versus over 1,000,000 years?

 

[Crick]

But no one on the planet knows how fast at any point in history how fast temperature or co2 altered.

You seemed to know just a couple posts back. What changed?

 

[Captain Caveman]

You seemed to know just a couple posts back. What changed?

Sorry, I can only do one brief sentence replies, I wanted to add quite a bit.

 

[Crick]

Sorry, I can only do one brief sentence replies, I wanted to add quite a bit.

That must be horrible for you. My sympathies.