It's almost June - countdown to the Supreme Court decision on ACA

[JakeStarkey]

Please oh please oh please, let them strike it down.

What is Obama's campaign team going to do when the verdict comes out?

If by some chance Obama gets another term, will he have another go at HCR?

Going to be interesting. I am very curious as to the horsetrading going on in the court. Anthony Kennedy, based on his past rulings, will probably agree to strike down the mandate but not the bill as a whole.

Very interesting.

 

[DontBeStupid]

Hopefully, My insurance premiums, which have increased by $350.00 per month in order to provide for all the mandates in Obamacare will go back down.

( yes, indulging in a little wishful thinking )

Your premiums did not go up because of Obamacare.

My prediction: since this Supreme Court is as fair and balances as Fox News, they will not only throw out the mandate, but over reach and throw out the entire law. Millions will lose their insurance over night as the GOP cheers and celebrates. This will fire up the Left and solidify an Obama win in the fall.

Bullshit ! Those premiums certainly did rise because of ObamaCare mandates. Did you think that the insurance companies were going to just absorb all the costs?

I would assume they would use the premiums from the.millions of new.customers to cover the costs.

But, what new costs are you referring to, exactly?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

and what will happen.

all those people who now got to keep their insurance will lose it.

they will thank the republicans for that one

This is not a Republican VS Democrat issue, it's a ignorance and contempt for the constitution issue by the people who passed the bill. You are being very short sided if you don't not see the danger in the Government being able to mandate people to buy things.

Leave it up to TM to turn this into a party VS party issue rather than an obvious attack on personal liberties as it clearly is.

It is partisan hackery.

Thaat is what the SCOTUS now does

No. It's the govt forcing you to buy a product or service and face penalties if you don't. That's unconstitutional.

 

[Conservative]

]and what will happen.[/B]

all those people who now got to keep their insurance will lose it.

they will thank the republicans for that one

Hopefully, My insurance premiums, which have increased by $350.00 per month in order to provide for all the mandates in Obamacare will go back down.

( yes, indulging in a little wishful thinking )

Your premiums did not go up because of Obamacare.

My prediction: since this Supreme Court is as fair and balances as Fox News, they will not only throw out the mandate, but over reach and throw out the entire law. Millions will lose their insurance over night as the GOP cheers and celebrates. This will fire up the Left and solidify an Obama win in the fall.

and the companies who said they had to raise employee contributions to healthcare because of the ACA... are lying?

 

[The T]

This is not a Republican VS Democrat issue, it's a ignorance and contempt for the constitution issue by the people who passed the bill. You are being very short sided if you don't not see the danger in the Government being able to mandate people to buy things.

Leave it up to TM to turn this into a party VS party issue rather than an obvious attack on personal liberties as it clearly is.

It is partisan hackery.

Thaat is what the SCOTUS now does

No. It's the govt forcing you to buy a product or service and face penalties if you don't. That's unconstitutional.

Bigtime.

 

[Vel]

Your premiums did not go up because of Obamacare.

My prediction: since this Supreme Court is as fair and balances as Fox News, they will not only throw out the mandate, but over reach and throw out the entire law. Millions will lose their insurance over night as the GOP cheers and celebrates. This will fire up the Left and solidify an Obama win in the fall.

Bullshit ! Those premiums certainly did rise because of ObamaCare mandates. Did you think that the insurance companies were going to just absorb all the costs?

I would assume they would use the premiums from the.millions of new.customers to cover the costs.

But, what new costs are you referring to, exactly?

The new mandates for essential services, unlimited coverage requirements..as well as higher administration costs for starters. Free birth control isn't really free you know.
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February 24, 2012

Candidate Barack Obama promised to “lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year.” Instead, news reports today highlighted significant premium increases, with three states now seeing increases of at least 20 percent. Politico Pro reported, “HHS approved premium rate hikes of 26 percent in Alaska, 23.3 percent in Florida and 20.4 percent in Washington state, according to decisions posted on an HHS website. That’s after approving a hike of 18 percent for a Montana insurer in November.”

The Obama administration even admits the health care law’s mandates are to blame for the premium increases. As Politico reports, “The rate increase, HHS explained, was the result of the insurer adjusting to benefit changes required by federal law.”
House Energy and Commerce Committee Republicans Press Release :: EXAM ROOM: As Obamacare Mandates Kick In, Insurance Premiums Spike

 

[JakeStarkey]

This is not a Republican VS Democrat issue, it's a ignorance and contempt for the constitution issue by the people who passed the bill. You are being very short sided if you don't not see the danger in the Government being able to mandate people to buy things.

Leave it up to TM to turn this into a party VS party issue rather than an obvious attack on personal liberties as it clearly is.

It is partisan hackery.

Thaat is what the SCOTUS now does

No. It's the govt forcing you to buy a product or service and face penalties if you don't. That's unconstitutional.

Not yet anyway,

 

[JakeStarkey]

Hopefully, My insurance premiums, which have increased by $350.00 per month in order to provide for all the mandates in Obamacare will go back down.

( yes, indulging in a little wishful thinking )

Your premiums did not go up because of Obamacare.

My prediction: since this Supreme Court is as fair and balances as Fox News, they will not only throw out the mandate, but over reach and throw out the entire law. Millions will lose their insurance over night as the GOP cheers and celebrates. This will fire up the Left and solidify an Obama win in the fall.

and the companies who said they had to raise employee contributions to healthcare because of the ACA... are lying?

who knows

 

[Amelia]

Your premiums did not go up because of Obamacare.

My prediction: since this Supreme Court is as fair and balances as Fox News, they will not only throw out the mandate, but over reach and throw out the entire law. Millions will lose their insurance over night as the GOP cheers and celebrates. This will fire up the Left and solidify an Obama win in the fall.

So, what will Obama do after his win?

Depends on if the Dems re-take the House. If they do, I see Obama and the Dems trying again and possibly bringing back the Public Option. If the GOP keeps the House, they will never allow a vote on anything for health care reform, so there would be no point in Obama trying anything.

So, he's not going to do anything on healthcare. Check.

What will he do?

Gonna be interesting to have a president who has been chastened for unconstitutional activities once and who has generated a queue of other cases waiting to see just how many more of his actions are going to be reversed - such as his violation of Article I of the constitution when he unilaterally declared the Senate out of session and all the fallout there will be when the SCOTUS rules on that. Luckily, when ACA is struck down that should resolve the birth control mandate issue but that's just part of the judicial log jam Obama has caused.

What will stop four more years of Obama from being four more years of national paralysis.

 

[DontBeStupid]

Bullshit ! Those premiums certainly did rise because of ObamaCare mandates. Did you think that the insurance companies were going to just absorb all the costs?

I would assume they would use the premiums from the.millions of new.customers to cover the costs.

But, what new costs are you referring to, exactly?

The new mandates for essential services, unlimited coverage requirements..as well as higher administration costs for starters. Free birth control isn't really free you know.
*************************************************


February 24, 2012

Candidate Barack Obama promised to “lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year.” Instead, news reports today highlighted significant premium increases, with three states now seeing increases of at least 20 percent. Politico Pro reported, “HHS approved premium rate hikes of 26 percent in Alaska, 23.3 percent in Florida and 20.4 percent in Washington state, according to decisions posted on an HHS website. That’s after approving a hike of 18 percent for a Montana insurer in November.”

The Obama administration even admits the health care law’s mandates are to blame for the premium increases. As Politico reports, “The rate increase, HHS explained, was the result of the insurer adjusting to benefit changes required by federal law.”
House Energy and Commerce Committee Republicans Press Release :: EXAM ROOM: As Obamacare Mandates Kick In, Insurance Premiums Spike

In other words, you can't name one cost that came about from the new law.

As for birth control, everyone knows condoms and pills are cheaper than unwanted pregnancies. Don't be stupid.

 

[Vel]

I would assume they would use the premiums from the.millions of new.customers to cover the costs.

But, what new costs are you referring to, exactly?

The new mandates for essential services, unlimited coverage requirements..as well as higher administration costs for starters. Free birth control isn't really free you know.
*************************************************


February 24, 2012

Candidate Barack Obama promised to “lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year.” Instead, news reports today highlighted significant premium increases, with three states now seeing increases of at least 20 percent. Politico Pro reported, “HHS approved premium rate hikes of 26 percent in Alaska, 23.3 percent in Florida and 20.4 percent in Washington state, according to decisions posted on an HHS website. That’s after approving a hike of 18 percent for a Montana insurer in November.”

The Obama administration even admits the health care law’s mandates are to blame for the premium increases. As Politico reports, “The rate increase, HHS explained, was the result of the insurer adjusting to benefit changes required by federal law.”
House Energy and Commerce Committee Republicans Press Release :: EXAM ROOM: As Obamacare Mandates Kick In, Insurance Premiums Spike

In other words, you can't name one cost that came about from the new law.

As for birth control, everyone knows condoms and pills are cheaper than unwanted pregnancies. Don't be stupid.

Can you see it now?

 

[DontBeStupid]

So, what will Obama do after his win?

Depends on if the Dems re-take the House. If they do, I see Obama and the Dems trying again and possibly bringing back the Public Option. If the GOP keeps the House, they will never allow a vote on anything for health care reform, so there would be no point in Obama trying anything.

So, he's not going to do anything

You didn't even read my post. Did you?

 

[The T]

I would assume they would use the premiums from the.millions of new.customers to cover the costs.

But, what new costs are you referring to, exactly?

The new mandates for essential services, unlimited coverage requirements..as well as higher administration costs for starters. Free birth control isn't really free you know.
*************************************************


February 24, 2012

Candidate Barack Obama promised to “lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year.” Instead, news reports today highlighted significant premium increases, with three states now seeing increases of at least 20 percent. Politico Pro reported, “HHS approved premium rate hikes of 26 percent in Alaska, 23.3 percent in Florida and 20.4 percent in Washington state, according to decisions posted on an HHS website. That’s after approving a hike of 18 percent for a Montana insurer in November.”

The Obama administration even admits the health care law’s mandates are to blame for the premium increases. As Politico reports, “The rate increase, HHS explained, was the result of the insurer adjusting to benefit changes required by federal law.”
House Energy and Commerce Committee Republicans Press Release :: EXAM ROOM: As Obamacare Mandates Kick In, Insurance Premiums Spike

In other words, you can't name one cost that came about from the new law.

As for birth control, everyone knows condoms and pills are cheaper than unwanted pregnancies. Don't be stupid.

More to the point? Where does the Government come off dictating to private comapnies what they will and won't cover?

It flies in the face of liberty guaranteed to every citizen...and YES companies are made up of citizens.

 

[Greenbeard]

And for the record, about the ONLY thing Mitt has going for him is wavers for Obamacare...

Like many things Mitt says, the President's imaginary ability to simply waive the entirety of the law is just something he made up.

 

[DontBeStupid]

The new mandates for essential services, unlimited coverage requirements..as well as higher administration costs for starters. Free birth control isn't really free you know.
*************************************************


February 24, 2012

Candidate Barack Obama promised to “lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year.” Instead, news reports today highlighted significant premium increases, with three states now seeing increases of at least 20 percent. Politico Pro reported, “HHS approved premium rate hikes of 26 percent in Alaska, 23.3 percent in Florida and 20.4 percent in Washington state, according to decisions posted on an HHS website. That’s after approving a hike of 18 percent for a Montana insurer in November.”

The Obama administration even admits the health care law’s mandates are to blame for the premium increases. As Politico reports, “The rate increase, HHS explained, was the result of the insurer adjusting to benefit changes required by federal law.”
House Energy and Commerce Committee Republicans Press Release :: EXAM ROOM: As Obamacare Mandates Kick In, Insurance Premiums Spike

In other words, you can't name one cost that came about from the new law.

As for birth control, everyone knows condoms and pills are cheaper than unwanted pregnancies. Don't be stupid.

More to the point? Where does the Government come off dictating to private comapnies what they will and won't cover?

It flies in the face of liberty guaranteed to every citizen...and YES companies are made up of citizens.

Just because companies are made of citizens, that does not make companies citizens.

For someone who cries about liberty on a daily basis, you certainly don't care if people actualy have.any or not.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

In other words, you can't name one cost that came about from the new law.

As for birth control, everyone knows condoms and pills are cheaper than unwanted pregnancies. Don't be stupid.

More to the point? Where does the Government come off dictating to private comapnies what they will and won't cover?

It flies in the face of liberty guaranteed to every citizen...and YES companies are made up of citizens.

Just because companies are made of citizens, that does not make companies citizens.

For someone who cries about liberty on a daily basis, you certainly don't care if people actualy have.any or not.

The Federal Government has NO authority granting it the power to declare what a private citizen must buy from a private firm. The Commerce clause does not grant such authority and in fact I would argue is designed to prevent it.

Further the Government can not claim it is a tax because those have to be uniform through out the Country and they have no authority to tax to pay private firms.

But the Government did try and argue that it was both a tax and not a tax.

 

[Avorysuds]

I'm still waiting for people to show how the law is constitutional, where in the constitution is the power given? The first attacks on this thread from Obamacare supporters were that the SC is basically legislating from the bench by not upholding Obamacare... So, where is Obamacare legal under our constitution?

This is important because if Obama really believed in his HC bill why didn’t he amend the constitution so there was no issue later like anyone that has read the constitution knew there would be. I thought Obama studied the constitution…

 

[The T]

In other words, you can't name one cost that came about from the new law.

As for birth control, everyone knows condoms and pills are cheaper than unwanted pregnancies. Don't be stupid.

More to the point? Where does the Government come off dictating to private comapnies what they will and won't cover?

It flies in the face of liberty guaranteed to every citizen...and YES companies are made up of citizens.

Just because companies are made of citizens, that does not make companies citizens.

For someone who cries about liberty on a daily basis, you certainly don't care if people actualy have.any or not.

Eh?

Companies exist to provide a good or service in the spirit of ECONOMIC liberty. IF they fail to offer what people want, need, desire at prices people can afford/ What happens to them?

THEY GO BANKRUPT...and no longer do business.

Where does the Government come off dictating terms already granted to them?

 

[Avorysuds]

More to the point? Where does the Government come off dictating to private comapnies what they will and won't cover?

It flies in the face of liberty guaranteed to every citizen...and YES companies are made up of citizens.

Just because companies are made of citizens, that does not make companies citizens.

For someone who cries about liberty on a daily basis, you certainly don't care if people actualy have.any or not.

Eh?

Companies exist to provide a good or service in the spirit of ECONOMIC liberty. IF they fail to offer what people wnat, need, desire at prices people can afford/ What happens to them?

THEY GO BANKRUPT...and no longer do business.

Where does the Government come off dictating terms already granted to them?

I honestly doubt he understands the question. After Obamacare if there was a mandate passed that everyone must buy a home so there are no homeless people DBS would prolly support it as long as Obama or a Democrat President wanted it. If DBS would not agree that everyone should buy a home then my question is on what grounds would DBT argue the Government can't do that, or would he just really really really hope they don't pass such a stupid law now that the restraint of the constitution no longer applies to the Congress/President?

 

[JakeStarkey]

I'm still waiting for people to show how the law is constitutional, …

It's constitutional until SCOTUS opines that it is not.