It's about time it was said

Like this:

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Note: This is five years before the Bush invasion. We should also note that in the five years since this quote, Hussain had done nothing aggressive.

I still don't see the part where Clinton said we need to invade Iraq....Did I miss something?

Did you miss the part where Clinton ordered missile strikes against Iraq in Dec. of '98 too?

And how many troops did he deploy into Iraq during that missile strike?

Maybe Bush should have considered a missile strike instead of spending $1 trillion and having 4400 soldiers killed
 
a targeted missile strike is the same as spending hundreds of billions of dollars invading and occupying a country and deposing its leader?

No it's not the same and I never suggested it was. I simply asked a question.

maybe i'm the wrong person to ask. i see the utility of military action under appropriate circumstances and using appropriate force. i didn't have a problem with targeting iraq then. i didn't have a problem when daddy bush went in either (although i do have questions now about whether we needed to, but those are in hindsight).

i just see the entire iraq adventure as a huge disaster.
I see our entire involvement in the ME as a huge disaster. I wish we would just get out of that entire region. As long as we have a large military presence over there, the regimes will have someone to deflect the blame for the own failures at.
 
we borrowed the money to run bush's pretend war of choice...

which led to our economic meltdown...

i think the president was more than nice to his predecessor.



Oh the heartbreak of economic illiteracy. We've been borrowing money for decades as the government has grown in an irresponsible manner, especially as regards entitlements and pork. The Iraq war did contribute to the borrowing and the deficit, but is dwarfed by the structural problems that are snowballing.[/img]

oh the heartbreak of using hack sites and relying on fake information like you do.

poor baby...

so-called entitlements and pork, are barely a fraction of our budget.... unlike military expenditures on bush's war of choice which we were then left with. hopefully by this time next year, we'll be able to extricate ourselves from the afghanistan circumstance your boy baby bush mishandled so horribly.

try to keep up. you have potential, but so long as you insist on being a hack, your contributions aren't particularly valuable.

oops... another failed effort to show me up.... loon.


Oh the heart break of not understanding that a deficit of $1.4+T is much much worse than a deficit of less than $500M.

You can find the numbers on the CBO site, which is the source of the data.

Although sad little economic illiterate that you are, I doubt you will be able to understand them.
 
poor nutbar. :cuckoo:

i don't care about the 'source'... i care about how its misused.

so should you.

but you don't...

because you're a hack. :thup:
 
No it's not the same and I never suggested it was. I simply asked a question.

maybe i'm the wrong person to ask. i see the utility of military action under appropriate circumstances and using appropriate force. i didn't have a problem with targeting iraq then. i didn't have a problem when daddy bush went in either (although i do have questions now about whether we needed to, but those are in hindsight).

i just see the entire iraq adventure as a huge disaster.
I see our entire involvement in the ME as a huge disaster. I wish we would just get out of that entire region. As long as we have a large military presence over there, the regimes will have someone to deflect the blame for the own failures at.

i think that's a bit misguided as long as we use oil.

and, frankly, there are interests there worth protecting... and the people who 'hate us' will hate us anyway.
 
we borrowed the money to run bush's pretend war of choice...

which led to our economic meltdown...

i think the president was more than nice to his predecessor.

I'm pretty sure that the soldiers coming home in body bags and their families don't think there is anything at all pretend about it.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to a poor choice of words.
And I will give you the benefit of doubt in assuming you're too young and too uninformed to understand that dead American soldiers do not mean the United States is or has been at war in the Middle East -- because it hasn't. What it means is our troops have been misused by dishonest and/or incompetent Executive administrations.

The truth is the United States military has been engaged in an unlawful and immoral military aggression and occupation -- which is not war. You need to understand that you've been deceived in a most insidious and criminal way and the deception is being perpetuated by doublespeak. And unless our political leaders start telling the truth we cannot recover from the damage done to us.
 
maybe i'm the wrong person to ask. i see the utility of military action under appropriate circumstances and using appropriate force. i didn't have a problem with targeting iraq then. i didn't have a problem when daddy bush went in either (although i do have questions now about whether we needed to, but those are in hindsight).

i just see the entire iraq adventure as a huge disaster.
I see our entire involvement in the ME as a huge disaster. I wish we would just get out of that entire region. As long as we have a large military presence over there, the regimes will have someone to deflect the blame for the own failures at.

i think that's a bit misguided as long as we use oil.

and, frankly, there are interests there worth protecting... and the people who 'hate us' will hate us anyway.
yeah they'll still hate us, because our women wear skirts, we're primarily Christian, and we're a material consumerist society, to name a few reasons.

but I think reducing our military presence in the long-term can reduce our chances of experiencing blow back.

just another reason to wean away from oil, too. :cool:

i don't want to get into the P/I issues, because i don't know enough about it.
 
yeah they'll still hate us, because our women wear skirts, we're primarily Christian, and we're a material consumerist society, to name a few reasons.

but I think reducing our military presence in the long-term can reduce our chances of experiencing blow back.

just another reason to wean away from oil, too. :cool:

i don't want to get into the P/I issues, because i don't know enough about it.

at this point i don't think anything reduces our chances of 'blow back'...perhaps not building an AFB in Saudi Arabia might have... but we did... and it's done. maybe not engaging in torture, and i'm glad to see that isn't a governmental policy anymore... and things like abu ghraib didn't help.

I always say alternative energy research is a security issue.

unfortunately, many on my side of the aisle think that if we tell israel to take a flying leap and throw her to the terrorist wolves that, somehow, people who target babies in carriages and children on schoolbuses will suddenly play nice.
 
No it's not the same and I never suggested it was. I simply asked a question.

maybe i'm the wrong person to ask. i see the utility of military action under appropriate circumstances and using appropriate force. i didn't have a problem with targeting iraq then. i didn't have a problem when daddy bush went in either (although i do have questions now about whether we needed to, but those are in hindsight).

i just see the entire iraq adventure as a huge disaster.

I didn't ask you in the first place.

actually, you responded to my query.

i can see where my response left you flummoxed. it's ok.
 
yeah they'll still hate us, because our women wear skirts, we're primarily Christian, and we're a material consumerist society, to name a few reasons.

but I think reducing our military presence in the long-term can reduce our chances of experiencing blow back.

just another reason to wean away from oil, too. :cool:

i don't want to get into the P/I issues, because i don't know enough about it.

at this point i don't think anything reduces our chances of 'blow back'...perhaps not building an AFB in Saudi Arabia might have... but we did... and it's done. maybe not engaging in torture, and i'm glad to see that isn't a governmental policy anymore... and things like abu ghraib didn't help.

I always say alternative energy research is a security issue.

unfortunately, many on my side of the aisle think that if we tell israel to take a flying leap and throw her to the terrorist wolves that, somehow, people who target babies in carriages and children on schoolbuses will suddenly play nice.
Suddenly is the operative word in all this. I agree that a reduction in the chances of blow back won't happen at the snap of a finger if we draw down our ME military presence. In the long-term--generational--I think it will, though.
 
we borrowed the money to run bush's pretend war of choice...

which led to our economic meltdown...

i think the president was more than nice to his predecessor.


Well to be honest Jillian, whatever one might think of the war, it didn't have anything to do with the meltdown.

You used "Honest" and "JIllian" in the same sentence. I bet that was impossible so watch for PosRep headed your way
 
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when i say pretend war of choice, i'm referring to the reasons given for starting it... all of which were pretend.



Vice President Biden doesn't agree with you.

He voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq.

On Meet the Press in 2007, on Hussein’s WMDs Biden stated: “Well, the point is, it turned out they didn’t, but everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them. He catalogued — they catalogued them. This was not some, some Cheney, you know, pipe dream. This was, in fact, catalogued.”


Is Biden lying?





Joe Biden on the Issues

Joe Biden on War & Peace

‘Just Words’ That Joe Biden Would Like To Forget - Article - National Review Online
 
Ain't it funny how they were all for it before they were against it??? LOL
 
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when i say pretend war of choice, i'm referring to the reasons given for starting it... all of which were pretend.



Vice President Biden doesn't agree with you.

He voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq.

On Meet the Press in 2007, on Hussein’s WMDs Biden stated: “Well, the point is, it turned out they didn’t, but everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them. He catalogued — they catalogued them. This was not some, some Cheney, you know, pipe dream. This was, in fact, catalogued.”


Is Biden lying?





Joe Biden on the Issues

Joe Biden on War & Peace

‘Just Words’ That Joe Biden Would Like To Forget - Article - National Review Online

General: Where's the Progressives talking points?
Soldiers: Blown up, Sir!
 
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poor nutbar. :cuckoo:

i don't care about the 'source'... i care about how its misused.

so should you.

but you don't...

because you're a hack. :thup:



Misused? You're the one misusing data. There is no way that the Iraq war is the major cause of our deficits, debt, or the financial meltdown.

Your lack of knowledge of history and economics, combined with poor logic skills is quite glaring.
 
First off, we never sold Saddam any chemical weapons. Unless you know something the rest of the world doesn't.

And we were asked for help by the Governments of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Seems people forget that Saddam threatened and actually attacked into Saudi also.

U.S. And Iraq Go Way Back - CBS News

:eusa_whistle:

From your link: "Congressional investigations after the Gulf War revealed that the Commerce Department had licensed sales of biological agents, including anthrax, and insecticides, which could be used in chemical weapons, to Iraq."

Now do some research and see just what was sold to whom in Iraq. There were no weapons sold. But base chemicals sold to Universities just like dozens of other places around the world who were doing research on cures etc........ But, no weapons.
funny how that was "WMD we sold/gave" Saddam, but it WASNT WMD when we found them after OIF
 
we borrowed the money to run bush's pretend war of choice...

which led to our economic meltdown...

i think the president was more than nice to his predecessor.

I'm pretty sure that the soldiers coming home in body bags and their families don't think there is anything at all pretend about it.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to a poor choice of words.

when i say pretend war of choice, i'm referring to the reasons given for starting it... all of which were pretend.
Well of course, ignoring all intel from all sorts of allies and enemies. But never you mind that.
 
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