It's about time it was said

[Lonestar_logic]

when i say pretend war of choice, i'm referring to the reasons given for starting it... all of which were pretend.

Like this:

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Note: This is five years before the Bush invasion. We should also note that in the five years since this quote, Hussain had done nothing aggressive.

I still don't see the part where Clinton said we need to invade Iraq....Did I miss something?

Did you miss the part where Clinton ordered missile strikes against Iraq in Dec. of '98 too?

 

[Barb]

If you're lucky, Del, he'll put you on ignore.

Nah, Samson is fun in other areas.

Link?

Sweetie, if you can't find the fun in Samson you simply aren't looking. We can disagree on a lot of things in real time and still be friends, why is it so hard in cyber space?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Like this:

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Note: This is five years before the Bush invasion. We should also note that in the five years since this quote, Hussain had done nothing aggressive.

I still don't see the part where Clinton said we need to invade Iraq....Did I miss something?

Did you miss the part where Clinton ordered missile strikes against Iraq in Dec. of '98 too?

Why did he do that again? Was it something about violating the UN sanctions and cease fire agreement?

 

[jillian]

Like this:

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Note: This is five years before the Bush invasion. We should also note that in the five years since this quote, Hussain had done nothing aggressive.

I still don't see the part where Clinton said we need to invade Iraq....Did I miss something?

Did you miss the part where Clinton ordered missile strikes against Iraq in Dec. of '98 too?

a targeted missile strike is the same as spending hundreds of billions of dollars invading and occupying a country and deposing its leader?

 

[The Rabbi]

Note: This is five years before the Bush invasion. We should also note that in the five years since this quote, Hussain had done nothing aggressive.

I still don't see the part where Clinton said we need to invade Iraq....Did I miss something?

Did you miss the part where Clinton ordered missile strikes against Iraq in Dec. of '98 too?

a targeted missile strike is the same as spending hundreds of billions of dollars invading and occupying a country and deposing its leader?

Yup. Both are acts of war.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Note: This is five years before the Bush invasion. We should also note that in the five years since this quote, Hussain had done nothing aggressive.

I still don't see the part where Clinton said we need to invade Iraq....Did I miss something?

Did you miss the part where Clinton ordered missile strikes against Iraq in Dec. of '98 too?

Why did he do that again? Was it something about violating the UN sanctions and cease fire agreement?

Yea it was some pretend reasons like those.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Did you miss the part where Clinton ordered missile strikes against Iraq in Dec. of '98 too?

Why did he do that again? Was it something about violating the UN sanctions and cease fire agreement?

Yea it was some pretend reasons like those.

Gosh good thing we didn't have reasonable doubt over what he was, or was not doing, in regards to WMD.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Note: This is five years before the Bush invasion. We should also note that in the five years since this quote, Hussain had done nothing aggressive.

I still don't see the part where Clinton said we need to invade Iraq....Did I miss something?

Did you miss the part where Clinton ordered missile strikes against Iraq in Dec. of '98 too?

a targeted missile strike is the same as spending hundreds of billions of dollars invading and occupying a country and deposing its leader?

No it's not the same and I never suggested it was. I simply asked a question.

 

[Barb]

Exactly how does that justify Iraq invading Kuwait?

Exactly how does our diplomat (answerable TO and with the authority OF our Department of State) telling him that we don't give a shit how he handles Kuwait justify our military action against him BASED on how he did just that, with the chemical weapons we SOLD him? Exactly WHAT moral high ground do you propose we worked from at that point?

Nice deflection but what I was asking proof of was the justification for Iraq invading Kuwait.

They had economic reasons. Not justification, buts those same reasons worked just as well for us in the past, which is why OUR DIPLOMAT TOLD HIM WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT HE DID IN RELATION TO KUWAIT. I'm waiting for you to justify our response to OUR actions in response to his, given our CLEAR go ahead (and supply of the means) to his own. You're strangely silent on that point.

 

[jillian]

Did you miss the part where Clinton ordered missile strikes against Iraq in Dec. of '98 too?

a targeted missile strike is the same as spending hundreds of billions of dollars invading and occupying a country and deposing its leader?

No it's not the same and I never suggested it was. I simply asked a question.

maybe i'm the wrong person to ask. i see the utility of military action under appropriate circumstances and using appropriate force. i didn't have a problem with targeting iraq then. i didn't have a problem when daddy bush went in either (although i do have questions now about whether we needed to, but those are in hindsight).

i just see the entire iraq adventure as a huge disaster.

 

[Barb]

Prove it.

the first set of justification came when kuwait was stealing iraqs oil from literally right under them and even after being caught doing that, they then refused to allow opec to raise prices even though iraq wanted it done in order to pay kuwait back for the money they financed in the iran/iraq war. kuwait got greedy and stole and put iraq billions into debt and then tried to hardball them when iraq looked for a way to pay it back

Link?

While you looking for that link also tell me how many UN sanctions Kuwait violated.

I provided your link. Shouldn't be too hard to find it at this point.
Although I didn't and don't think it justified the action.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Why did he do that again? Was it something about violating the UN sanctions and cease fire agreement?

Yea it was some pretend reasons like those.

Gosh good thing we didn't have reasonable doubt over what he was, or was not doing, in regards to WMD.

Well the left refuses to acknowledge that a lot was found in Iraq.

Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq - U.S. Senate - FOXNews.com

Saddam's WMD<br>have been found

 

[SFC Ollie]

Our diplomat told him we didn't give a shit.
US Ambassador April Glaspie's Interview with Pres. Saddam Hussein, July 25 1990

Exactly how does that justify Iraq invading Kuwait?

Exactly how does our diplomat (answerable TO and with the authority OF our Department of State) telling him that we don't give a shit how he handles Kuwait justify our military action against him BASED on how he did just that, with the chemical weapons we SOLD him? Exactly WHAT moral high ground do you propose we worked from at that point?

First off, we never sold Saddam any chemical weapons. Unless you know something the rest of the world doesn't.

And we were asked for help by the Governments of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Seems people forget that Saddam threatened and actually attacked into Saudi also.

 

[jillian]

First off, we never sold Saddam any chemical weapons. Unless you know something the rest of the world doesn't.

And we were asked for help by the Governments of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Seems people forget that Saddam threatened and actually attacked into Saudi also.

why do you think rumsfeld was in iraq in 1983 when he was head of a chemical company? to play pinochle?

The newspaper says a review of a large tranche of government documents reveals that the administrations of President Reagan and the first President Bush both authorized providing Iraq with intelligence and logistical support, and okayed the sale of dual use items — those with military and civilian applications — that included chemicals and germs, even anthrax and bubonic plague.

Foreign affairs experts are split on whether the policy made sense given the different dynamics of an earlier era when the Soviet Union was still a player in the Middle East, when Iranian fundamentalism was unchecked by the current efforts toward reform, and when Saddam was already a valued friend of European U.S. allies like the French.

U.S. And Iraq Go Way Back - CBS News

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Exactly how does our diplomat (answerable TO and with the authority OF our Department of State) telling him that we don't give a shit how he handles Kuwait justify our military action against him BASED on how he did just that, with the chemical weapons we SOLD him? Exactly WHAT moral high ground do you propose we worked from at that point?

Nice deflection but what I was asking proof of was the justification for Iraq invading Kuwait.

They had economic reasons. Not justification, buts those same reasons worked just as well for us in the past, which is why OUR DIPLOMAT TOLD HIM WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT HE DID IN RELATION TO KUWAIT. I'm waiting for you to justify our response to OUR actions in response to his, given our CLEAR go ahead (and supply of the means) to his own. You're strangely silent on that point.

Name one country we invaded for "economical" reasons?

We supplied Iraq for their war against Iran, not to invade Kuwait. Gets your facts straight! Oh wait, I forgot who I was talking to. Your kind don't recognize facts.

This from the left's favorite site "wikipedia".

"The United States and the United Nations gave several public justifications for involvement in the conflict, the most prominent being the Iraqi violation of Kuwaiti territorial integrity. In addition, the United States moved to support its ally Saudi Arabia, whose importance in the region, and as a key supplier of oil, made it of considerable geopolitical importance. Shortly after the Iraqi invasion, Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney made the first of several visits to Saudi Arabia where King Fahd requested US military assistance. During a speech in a special joint session of the U.S. Congress given on 11 September 1990, U.S. President George H.W. Bush summed up the reasons with the following remarks: "Within three days, 120,000 Iraqi troops with 850 tanks had poured into Kuwait and moved south to threaten Saudi Arabia. It was then that I decided to act to check that aggression.""

 

[Barb]

Exactly how does that justify Iraq invading Kuwait?

Exactly how does our diplomat (answerable TO and with the authority OF our Department of State) telling him that we don't give a shit how he handles Kuwait justify our military action against him BASED on how he did just that, with the chemical weapons we SOLD him? Exactly WHAT moral high ground do you propose we worked from at that point?

First off, we never sold Saddam any chemical weapons. Unless you know something the rest of the world doesn't.

And we were asked for help by the Governments of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Seems people forget that Saddam threatened and actually attacked into Saudi also.

U.S. And Iraq Go Way Back - CBS News

 

[Lonestar_logic]

a targeted missile strike is the same as spending hundreds of billions of dollars invading and occupying a country and deposing its leader?

No it's not the same and I never suggested it was. I simply asked a question.

maybe i'm the wrong person to ask. i see the utility of military action under appropriate circumstances and using appropriate force. i didn't have a problem with targeting iraq then. i didn't have a problem when daddy bush went in either (although i do have questions now about whether we needed to, but those are in hindsight).

i just see the entire iraq adventure as a huge disaster.

I didn't ask you in the first place.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

the first set of justification came when kuwait was stealing iraqs oil from literally right under them and even after being caught doing that, they then refused to allow opec to raise prices even though iraq wanted it done in order to pay kuwait back for the money they financed in the iran/iraq war. kuwait got greedy and stole and put iraq billions into debt and then tried to hardball them when iraq looked for a way to pay it back

Link?

While you looking for that link also tell me how many UN sanctions Kuwait violated.

I provided your link. Shouldn't be too hard to find it at this point.
Although I didn't and don't think it justified the action.

Your link proved nothing. Besides I'm asking Blu.

 

[uscitizen]

Yea it was some pretend reasons like those.

Gosh good thing we didn't have reasonable doubt over what he was, or was not doing, in regards to WMD.

Well the left refuses to acknowledge that a lot was found in Iraq.

Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq - U.S. Senate - FOXNews.com

Saddam's WMD<br>have been found

The weapons are thought to be manufactured before 1991 so they would not be proof of an ongoing WMD program in the 1990s.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Exactly how does our diplomat (answerable TO and with the authority OF our Department of State) telling him that we don't give a shit how he handles Kuwait justify our military action against him BASED on how he did just that, with the chemical weapons we SOLD him? Exactly WHAT moral high ground do you propose we worked from at that point?

First off, we never sold Saddam any chemical weapons. Unless you know something the rest of the world doesn't.

And we were asked for help by the Governments of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Seems people forget that Saddam threatened and actually attacked into Saudi also.

U.S. And Iraq Go Way Back - CBS News

From your link: "Congressional investigations after the Gulf War revealed that the Commerce Department had licensed sales of biological agents, including anthrax, and insecticides, which could be used in chemical weapons, to Iraq."

Now do some research and see just what was sold to whom in Iraq. There were no weapons sold. But base chemicals sold to Universities just like dozens of other places around the world who were doing research on cures etc........ But, no weapons.