It's about time it was said

[Lonestar_logic]

Gosh good thing we didn't have reasonable doubt over what he was, or was not doing, in regards to WMD.

Well the left refuses to acknowledge that a lot was found in Iraq.

Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq - U.S. Senate - FOXNews.com

Saddam's WMD<br>have been found

The weapons are thought to be manufactured before 1991 so they would not be proof of an ongoing WMD program in the 1990s.

Well you would have point if the weapons were made after the fact but you, yourself admitted they weren't.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Note: This is five years before the Bush invasion. We should also note that in the five years since this quote, Hussain had done nothing aggressive.

I still don't see the part where Clinton said we need to invade Iraq....Did I miss something?

Did you miss the part where Clinton ordered missile strikes against Iraq in Dec. of '98 too?

And how many troops did he deploy into Iraq during that missile strike?

Maybe Bush should have considered a missile strike instead of spending $1 trillion and having 4400 soldiers killed

You liberals sure do know how to dance around a subject.

 

[Trajan]

a targeted missile strike is the same as spending hundreds of billions of dollars invading and occupying a country and deposing its leader?

Yup. Both are acts of war.

how many americans died launching the missiles, ace?

oh please, is that the moral equivalence game you want to play?

Okay, how many Israelis died when they and gaza went at it, and all the caterwauling as to disproportionate response....hum, this kind of sounds like that to eh?

you wanna explore that?

We didn't lose anyone and we bombed Sudanese and Iraqi 'factories' camp sites etc. killing folks....and hey how about those predator strikes we employ now.....blam!!!!! some goat herder and his family giving safe haven to a Talibani and pooof...gone... how much angst are you into on that?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

we borrowed the money to run bush's pretend war of choice...

which led to our economic meltdown...

i think the president was more than nice to his predecessor.

I'm pretty sure that the soldiers coming home in body bags and their families don't think there is anything at all pretend about it.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to a poor choice of words.

And I will give you the benefit of doubt in assuming you're too young and too uninformed to understand that dead American soldiers do not mean the United States is or has been at war in the Middle East -- because it hasn't. What it means is our troops have been misused by dishonest and/or incompetent Executive administrations.

The truth is the United States military has been engaged in an unlawful and immoral military aggression and occupation -- which is not war. You need to understand that you've been deceived in a most insidious and criminal way and the deception is being perpetuated by doublespeak. And unless our political leaders start telling the truth we cannot recover from the damage done to us.

Using soldiers to fight a war. How exactly is that misusing them?

Prove that either confict was unlawful. Then sue somebody!

 

[WillowTree]

FOXNews.com - CBO: Eight Years of Iraq War Cost Less Than Stimulus Act

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The Iraq war possibly costing less than the stimulus Package doesn't make the wasted money on Iraq, or the moral issues, ok.

 

[Trajan]

FOXNews.com - CBO: Eight Years of Iraq War Cost Less Than Stimulus Act

thats Fox, not an approved WH news site, sorry doesn't count.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

maybe i'm the wrong person to ask. i see the utility of military action under appropriate circumstances and using appropriate force. i didn't have a problem with targeting iraq then. i didn't have a problem when daddy bush went in either (although i do have questions now about whether we needed to, but those are in hindsight).

i just see the entire iraq adventure as a huge disaster.

I didn't ask you in the first place.

actually, you responded to my query.

i can see where my response left you flummoxed. it's ok.

No counselor I responded specifically to rightdinger, who had responded to Soggy who had responded to you. I offer Exhibit "A" as proof.

 

[Care4all]

pathetic troll

what's the matter, hack, it hurt your feelings that i called you what you are?

too bad, so sad, life is filled with pain.

Explain carefully for us Idiots how 5.7 trillion in 8 years was just horrible but 3 trillion in 2 years is such a good deal?

ONCE AGAIN....you love saying that, the Lord only knows why....but this is simply NOT true....

fiscal year 2009 with the 1.5 TRILLION Deficit is President Bush's budget that began oct 1 2008...this includes his bail out for the banks TARP, and fannie and freddie bail outs and the bail out for AIG and the first bail out for the auto industry and goldman sachs bailout ALL OF WHICH HAPPENED IN 2008 and under president Bush...

PLEASE for the love of God, stop lying.

president obama's first fiscal budget ends sept 30, 2010....obama has not had 1 full fiscal budget year yet rgs, so he HAS NOT added 3 trillion to the national debt....

i am not saying that he won't add 3 trillion after 2 years of his budgets, but you got another year and 2 months, before we will know.

president bush's last budget attributed to HIM is fiscal 2009, nearly $1.5 trillion dollar deficit....obama's budget deficit that HE BEGAN WITH starts there, while president bush began his budget with a 70 billion budget surplus, left him.... by the clinton budget.

facts ARE facts....

care

 

[WillowTree]

FOXNews.com - CBO: Eight Years of Iraq War Cost Less Than Stimulus Act

thats Fox, not an approved WH news site, sorry doesn't count.

That's Fox citing the CBO innit? yep twas!

 

[WillowTree]

The Iraq war possibly costing less than the stimulus Package doesn't make the wasted money on Iraq, or the moral issues, ok.

didn't say it made it okay. pissing away a trillion dollars in stimulus with shit to show for it is immoral too in my opinion.

 

[Care4all]

hmmmmm, the iraq war started in 2003....it is 2010, 7 years, wonder how fox managed to put 8 YEARS in their title?

 

[Trajan]

what's the matter, hack, it hurt your feelings that i called you what you are?

too bad, so sad, life is filled with pain.

Explain carefully for us Idiots how 5.7 trillion in 8 years was just horrible but 3 trillion in 2 years is such a good deal?

ONCE AGAIN....you love saying that, the Lord only knows why....but this is simply NOT true....

fiscal year 2009 with the 1.5 TRILLION Deficit is President Bush's budget that began oct 1 2008...this includes his bail out for the banks TARP, and fannie and freddie bail outs and the bail out for AIG and the first bail out for the auto industry and goldman sachs bailout ALL OF WHICH HAPPENED IN 2008 and under president Bush...

PLEASE for the love of God, stop lying.

president obama's first fiscal budget ends sept 30, 2010....obama has not had 1 full fiscal budget year yet rgs, so he HAS NOT added 3 trillion to the national debt....

i am not saying that he won't add 3 trillion after 2 years of his budgets, but you got another year and 2 months, before we will know.

president bush's last budget attributed to HIM is fiscal 2009, nearly $1.5 trillion dollar deficit....obama's budget deficit that HE BEGAN WITH starts there, while president bush began his budget with a 70 billion budget surplus, left him.... by the clinton budget.

facts ARE facts....

care

so tarp and all of the rest, which obama sppted him in enacting is what again? I was wondering how long it would be before he was bashed for doing what the new admin was hoping he would do and made known they sppted...nice bipartisanship. Obama takes credit for that saving the economy does he not?

and lets use real numbers here, there was NO surplus of funds when bush started, there hasn't been a REAL surplus since 67 I think it is.... ( I'd have to check).

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The Iraq war possibly costing less than the stimulus Package doesn't make the wasted money on Iraq, or the moral issues, ok.

didn't say it made it okay. pissing away a trillion dollars in stimulus with shit to show for it is immoral too in my opinion.

Yes, both were tragic wastes of money. All these issues show is that neither Democrats nor Republicans are interested in being fiscally responsible. Neither side has the moral authority to accuse the other of wasting money.

 

[Care4all]

oh my LORD! what a JOKE of a FOX article.....cut me a break....do any of you think for yourselves....

the article so so so deceiving...it compares the 2010 budget with the 2008 and 2007 budgets and PURPOSELY SKIPS the %1.5 trillion 2009 bush budget deficit...

then it says the expected 2010 1.3 trillion deficit is the 2nd largest, again neglecting to mention the largest ever budget deficit that it is 2nd to is the bush budget for 2009....

sheesh, how can anyone with a brain, put up with the crapola they spill?

honestly, how can you?

do they just dupe you? or do you see their spin and bull'oney?

 

[Care4all]

Explain carefully for us Idiots how 5.7 trillion in 8 years was just horrible but 3 trillion in 2 years is such a good deal?

ONCE AGAIN....you love saying that, the Lord only knows why....but this is simply NOT true....

fiscal year 2009 with the 1.5 TRILLION Deficit is President Bush's budget that began oct 1 2008...this includes his bail out for the banks TARP, and fannie and freddie bail outs and the bail out for AIG and the first bail out for the auto industry and goldman sachs bailout ALL OF WHICH HAPPENED IN 2008 and under president Bush...

PLEASE for the love of God, stop lying.

president obama's first fiscal budget ends sept 30, 2010....obama has not had 1 full fiscal budget year yet rgs, so he HAS NOT added 3 trillion to the national debt....

i am not saying that he won't add 3 trillion after 2 years of his budgets, but you got another year and 2 months, before we will know.

president bush's last budget attributed to HIM is fiscal 2009, nearly $1.5 trillion dollar deficit....obama's budget deficit that HE BEGAN WITH starts there, while president bush began his budget with a 70 billion budget surplus, left him.... by the clinton budget.

facts ARE facts....

care

so tarp and allof the rest, , which obama sppted him in enacting is what again? I was wondering how long it would be before he was bashed for doing what the new admin was hoping he would do and made known they sppted...nice bipartisanship. Obama takes credit for that saving the economy does he not?

and lets use real numbers here, there was NO surplus of funds when bush started, there hasn't been a REAL surplus since 67 I think it is.... ( I'd have to check).

huh?

there was a BUDGET surplus, get your facts straight....SS surplus is included in the BUDGET, whether we like it or not....

president bush used those SS surpluses to balance his budget as well, and if you take out the ss surplus that HE USED TO PAY for what income taxes should have paid for then you are talking much much much larger DEFICITS attributed to president bush's budgets.

president obama DOES NOT have any SS surplus to use in his budget to mask his deficits as president bush had the convenience of....SS is not creating surpluses anymore... in case you are wondering.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

ONCE AGAIN....you love saying that, the Lord only knows why....but this is simply NOT true....

fiscal year 2009 with the 1.5 TRILLION Deficit is President Bush's budget that began oct 1 2008...this includes his bail out for the banks TARP, and fannie and freddie bail outs and the bail out for AIG and the first bail out for the auto industry and goldman sachs bailout ALL OF WHICH HAPPENED IN 2008 and under president Bush...

PLEASE for the love of God, stop lying.

president obama's first fiscal budget ends sept 30, 2010....obama has not had 1 full fiscal budget year yet rgs, so he HAS NOT added 3 trillion to the national debt....

i am not saying that he won't add 3 trillion after 2 years of his budgets, but you got another year and 2 months, before we will know.

president bush's last budget attributed to HIM is fiscal 2009, nearly $1.5 trillion dollar deficit....obama's budget deficit that HE BEGAN WITH starts there, while president bush began his budget with a 70 billion budget surplus, left him.... by the clinton budget.

facts ARE facts....

care

so tarp and allof the rest, , which obama sppted him in enacting is what again? I was wondering how long it would be before he was bashed for doing what the new admin was hoping he would do and made known they sppted...nice bipartisanship. Obama takes credit for that saving the economy does he not?

and lets use real numbers here, there was NO surplus of funds when bush started, there hasn't been a REAL surplus since 67 I think it is.... ( I'd have to check).

huh?

there was a BUDGET surplus, get your facts straight....SS surplus is included in the BUDGET, whether we like it or not....

president bush used those SS surpluses to balance his budget as well, and if you take out the ss surplus that HE USED TO PAY for what income taxes should have paid for then you are talking much much much larger DEFICITS attributed to president bush's budgets.

president obama DOES NOT have any SS surplus to use in his budget to mask his deficits as president bush had the convenience of....SS is not creating surpluses anymore... in case you are wondering.

Total BULLSHIT. There was no surplus. Dream on though... and have a few more bong hits.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

ONCE AGAIN....you love saying that, the Lord only knows why....but this is simply NOT true....

fiscal year 2009 with the 1.5 TRILLION Deficit is President Bush's budget that began oct 1 2008...this includes his bail out for the banks TARP, and fannie and freddie bail outs and the bail out for AIG and the first bail out for the auto industry and goldman sachs bailout ALL OF WHICH HAPPENED IN 2008 and under president Bush...

PLEASE for the love of God, stop lying.

president obama's first fiscal budget ends sept 30, 2010....obama has not had 1 full fiscal budget year yet rgs, so he HAS NOT added 3 trillion to the national debt....

i am not saying that he won't add 3 trillion after 2 years of his budgets, but you got another year and 2 months, before we will know.

president bush's last budget attributed to HIM is fiscal 2009, nearly $1.5 trillion dollar deficit....obama's budget deficit that HE BEGAN WITH starts there, while president bush began his budget with a 70 billion budget surplus, left him.... by the clinton budget.

facts ARE facts....

care

so tarp and allof the rest, , which obama sppted him in enacting is what again? I was wondering how long it would be before he was bashed for doing what the new admin was hoping he would do and made known they sppted...nice bipartisanship. Obama takes credit for that saving the economy does he not?

and lets use real numbers here, there was NO surplus of funds when bush started, there hasn't been a REAL surplus since 67 I think it is.... ( I'd have to check).

huh?

there was a BUDGET surplus, get your facts straight....SS surplus is included in the BUDGET, whether we like it or not....

president bush used those SS surpluses to balance his budget as well, and if you take out the ss surplus that HE USED TO PAY for what income taxes should have paid for then you are talking much much much larger DEFICITS attributed to president bush's budgets.

president obama DOES NOT have any SS surplus to use in his budget to mask his deficits as president bush had the convenience of....SS is not creating surpluses anymore... in case you are wondering.

No there actually wasn't a surplus.

Fiscal
Year Year
Ending National Debt Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

As can clearly be seen, in no year did the national debt go down, nor did Clinton leave President Bush with a surplus that Bush subsequently turned into a deficit. Yes, the deficit was almost eliminated in FY2000 (ending in September 2000 with a deficit of "only" $17.9 billion), but it never reached zero--let alone a positive surplus number. And Clinton's last budget proposal for FY2001, which ended in September 2001, generated a $133.29 billion deficit. The growing deficits started in the year of the last Clinton budget, not in the first year of the Bush administration.

The Myth of the Clinton Surplus

 

[DiveCon]

a targeted missile strike is the same as spending hundreds of billions of dollars invading and occupying a country and deposing its leader?

Yup. Both are acts of war.

how many americans died launching the missiles, ace?

are you saying its not an act of war because no Americans died?

 

[Rinata]

what's the matter, hack, it hurt your feelings that i called you what you are?

too bad, so sad, life is filled with pain.

Explain carefully for us Idiots how 5.7 trillion in 8 years was just horrible but 3 trillion in 2 years is such a good deal?

ONCE AGAIN....you love saying that, the Lord only knows why....but this is simply NOT true....

fiscal year 2009 with the 1.5 TRILLION Deficit is President Bush's budget that began oct 1 2008...this includes his bail out for the banks TARP, and fannie and freddie bail outs and the bail out for AIG and the first bail out for the auto industry and goldman sachs bailout ALL OF WHICH HAPPENED IN 2008 and under president Bush...

PLEASE for the love of God, stop lying.

president obama's first fiscal budget ends sept 30, 2010....obama has not had 1 full fiscal budget year yet rgs, so he HAS NOT added 3 trillion to the national debt....

i am not saying that he won't add 3 trillion after 2 years of his budgets, but you got another year and 2 months, before we will know.

president bush's last budget attributed to HIM is fiscal 2009, nearly $1.5 trillion dollar deficit....obama's budget deficit that HE BEGAN WITH starts there, while president bush began his budget with a 70 billion budget surplus, left him.... by the clinton budget.

facts ARE facts....

care

I don't think that will happen. Actually it's getting worse.