It's about time it was said

[Samson]

If you're lucky, Del, he'll put you on ignore.

Nah, Samson is fun in other areas. This just isn't one of them.

Please: Don't to steal Ravi's "Thunder."

She's desperate for attention.

 

[jillian]

ummmmmmm... you really believe we didn't need a justification for invading a sovereign nation?

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

Rachel Madow gives GOP the credit it deserves for Iraq War​

The Rachel Maddow Show - Go ahead, thank the GOP for Iraq

 

[Trajan]

Did I step into a wayback machine and get transported to 2002/2003 somehow?

Are we really rehashing this crapola again?

I can't help it if they're using the speech as a way to try to resurrect bush's legacy.

typical Lib behavior, bravo- , start the crap and then sidestep it when the heat goes up as your comments are exposed for the disconnects from reality they are.

here are the 3 statements you made to start the thread-

we borrowed the money to run bush's pretend war of choice...

which led to our economic meltdown...

i think the president was more than nice to his predecessor.

so in order, I'll respond;

#1 the deficit in 2007 was $161.5 billion.

#2 the housing bubble drove at least 3/4's of the meltdown.

#3 obama constructed (and this an old story) a straw-man to knockdown, so as to appear he was giving Bush props..(you do know what that is right?)


No one, not even dems that I have heard EVER questioned Bush's his patriotism...Obama lacks the character to even simply say ;" the surge put us in the position where in, we can close out the combat phase with relative peace"... (he can use the collective 'we' even though he was NOT on board).

You don't get to re-write history.

Don't like it? Don't agree?


here, have at it, the ASP and MSNBC....those stalwarts of republican/con. thought and media.

Fact check: Is Iraq combat really over for U.S.? - Politics - White House - msnbc.com

 

[jillian]

Did I step into a wayback machine and get transported to 2002/2003 somehow?

Are we really rehashing this crapola again?

I can't help it if they're using the speech as a way to try to resurrect bush's legacy.

typical Lib behavior, bravo- , start the crap and then sidestep it when the heat goes up as your comments are exposed for the disconnects from reality they are.

here are the 3 statements you made to start the thread-

we borrowed the money to run bush's pretend war of choice...

which led to our economic meltdown...

i think the president was more than nice to his predecessor.

so in order, I'll respond;

#1 the deficit in 2007 was $161.5 billion.

#2 the housing bubble drove at least 3/4's of the meltdown.

#3 obama constructed (and this an old story) a straw-man to knockdown, so as to appear he was giving Bush props..(you do know what that is right?)


No one, not even dems that I have heard EVER questioned Bush's his patriotism...Obama lacks the character to even simply say ;" the surge put us in the position where in, we can close out the combat phase with relative peace"... (he can use the collective 'we' even though he was NOT on board).

You don't get to re-write history.

Don't like it? Don't agree?


here, have at it, the ASP and MSNBC....those stalwarts of republican/con. thought and media.

Fact check: Is Iraq combat really over for U.S.? - Politics - White House - msnbc.com

'honey'... i don't know you. and more importantly, you know NOTHING about my politics except that I think you rightwingnuts need to stop whining because this white house won't resurrect baby bush's failed legacy. YOU are the ones who don't get to re-write history. There were many factors that led to the melt down, up to and including rightwing policies deregulating wall street. that wasn't what was relevant to yesterday's discussion, though. Cutting taxes for the rich while running two wars of choice on our credit card was the predominant thing that tied our hands and continues to tie our hands.

as for your link... it's fairly irrelevant to any point i raised. We KNOW that there will be security issues... Gates said that when he made his initial statement.

On the other hand, at least no one here was stupid enough to say 'mission accomplished'

capish?

as for the deficit in 2007, irrelevant because it costs money to fix what you idiots broke... he should have spent a lot more.

what IS relevant was the surplus Bush said he had in 2000....

you following yet?

 

[rightwinger]

It was never clear why we were there in the first place -- President Bush's rationale for the war shifted from links to 9-11, to weapons of mass destruction, to creating a new democracy, to Saddam Hussein being a bad man. But there were no links to 9-11 or weapons of mass destruction. Yes, Saddam Hussein was a bad man, but as Richard Engel told us last night, there is still no real democracy in Iraq and the country has become a "basket case."

 

[jillian]

Rachel Madow gives GOP the credit it deserves for Iraq War​

The Rachel Maddow Show - Go ahead, thank the GOP for Iraq

and that was all the credit bush really deserved.... the president was far too generous to him.... especially given that kind of graciousness would NEVER be reciprocated by the right

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Oh the heartbreak of economic illiteracy. We've been borrowing money for decades as the government has grown in an irresponsible manner, especially as regards entitlements and pork. The Iraq war did contribute to the borrowing and the deficit, but is dwarfed by the structural problems that are snowballing.

American Thinker: Iraq: The War That Broke Us -- Not


Entitlement growth is driving us into insolvency:

And Obama has made it far worse in a very short time. His spending programs more than tripled Bush's highest deficit - and have expanding government spending from 20% to 25% of GDP. That's the biggest reason why unemployment remains high. Obamanomics = Epic Fail.

Hey now facts have no place in emotional and ideological arguments

Geeze

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

we borrowed the money to run bush's pretend war of choice...

which led to our economic meltdown...

i think the president was more than nice to his predecessor.

I'm pretty sure that the soldiers coming home in body bags and their families don't think there is anything at all pretend about it.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to a poor choice of words.

when i say pretend war of choice, i'm referring to the reasons given for starting it... all of which were pretend.

Like this:

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Or this?

"Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Yup.. Bush made it all up.

 

[jillian]

Or this?

"Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

but they weren't stupid enough to invade? so why does the right keep raising that?

it's a non sequitur.

by the time baby bush went in, the inspectors had access... and things were working as they should.

is cost-benefit analysis foreign to the right?

 

[jillian]

Like this:

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

again... Clinton not stupid enough to invade....

so your point?

 

[uscitizen]

Fear apparently drives the right.

 

[rightwinger]

I'm pretty sure that the soldiers coming home in body bags and their families don't think there is anything at all pretend about it.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to a poor choice of words.

when i say pretend war of choice, i'm referring to the reasons given for starting it... all of which were pretend.

Like this:

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Note: This is five years before the Bush invasion. We should also note that in the five years since this quote, Hussain had done nothing aggressive.

I still don't see the part where Clinton said we need to invade Iraq....Did I miss something?

 

[Trajan]

I can't help it if they're using the speech as a way to try to resurrect bush's legacy.

typical Lib behavior, bravo- , start the crap and then sidestep it when the heat goes up as your comments are exposed for the disconnects from reality they are.

here are the 3 statements you made to start the thread-

we borrowed the money to run bush's pretend war of choice...

which led to our economic meltdown...

i think the president was more than nice to his predecessor.

so in order, I'll respond;

#1 the deficit in 2007 was $161.5 billion.

#2 the housing bubble drove at least 3/4's of the meltdown.

#3 obama constructed (and this an old story) a straw-man to knockdown, so as to appear he was giving Bush props..(you do know what that is right?)


No one, not even dems that I have heard EVER questioned Bush's his patriotism...Obama lacks the character to even simply say ;" the surge put us in the position where in, we can close out the combat phase with relative peace"... (he can use the collective 'we' even though he was NOT on board).

You don't get to re-write history.

Don't like it? Don't agree?


here, have at it, the ASP and MSNBC....those stalwarts of republican/con. thought and media.

Fact check: Is Iraq combat really over for U.S.? - Politics - White House - msnbc.com

'honey'... i don't know you. and more importantly, you know NOTHING about my politics except that I think you rightwingnuts need to stop whining because this white house won't resurrect baby bush's failed legacy. YOU are the ones who don't get to re-write history. There were many factors that led to the melt down, up to and including rightwing policies deregulating wall street. that wasn't what was relevant to yesterday's discussion, though. Cutting taxes for the rich while running two wars of choice on our credit card was the predominant thing that tied our hands and continues to tie our hands.

as for your link... it's fairly irrelevant to any point i raised. We KNOW that there will be security issues... Gates said that when he made his initial statement.

On the other hand, at least no one here was stupid enough to say 'mission accomplished'

capish?

as for the deficit in 2007, irrelevant because it costs money to fix what you idiots broke... he should have spent a lot more.

what IS relevant was the surplus Bush said he had in 2000....

you following yet?

jesus, you are all over the place.... except when it comes to answering responses to the points you made, thats hard work I know because you are factually wrong and as far as Obama rhetoric goes, don't have a leg to stand on.

This has been illuminating, as I am still fairly new here, I see speaking with you is a complete waste of time.


example-the Glass–Steagall Act was repealed in 1999 btw.

Oh, and its 'capiche'....not "capish", if you are going to use foreign words/phrases at least have the common decency to spell them correctly.

 

[jillian]

Fear apparently drives the right.

if you lived through the orange alerts during the 2004 election cycle, you know that's true...

it's either a terrorist boogie man...

or a muslim boogie man...

or a secular boogie man...

or a gay boogie man...

or whatever else it is the 'pro america parts of the country' can be manipulated into being afraid of on a given day.

there are so many real issues... so many things that really do need to be discussed and addressed, but the extremists divert attention from them.

i mean, let's have another round of posts talking about michelle obama being marie antoinette or the president being a kenyan muslim... liberation theologian...

because that's so helpful, donchaknow...

 

[Lonestar_logic]

iraq was fully justified in invading kuwait

Prove it.

the first set of justification came when kuwait was stealing iraqs oil from literally right under them and even after being caught doing that, they then refused to allow opec to raise prices even though iraq wanted it done in order to pay kuwait back for the money they financed in the iran/iraq war. kuwait got greedy and stole and put iraq billions into debt and then tried to hardball them when iraq looked for a way to pay it back

Link?

While you looking for that link also tell me how many UN sanctions Kuwait violated.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Our diplomat told him we didn't give a shit.
US Ambassador April Glaspie's Interview with Pres. Saddam Hussein, July 25 1990

Exactly how does that justify Iraq invading Kuwait?

Exactly how does our diplomat (answerable TO and with the authority OF our Department of State) telling him that we don't give a shit how he handles Kuwait justify our military action against him BASED on how he did just that, with the chemical weapons we SOLD him? Exactly WHAT moral high ground do you propose we worked from at that point?

Nice deflection but what I was asking proof of was the justification for Iraq invading Kuwait.

 

[uscitizen]

I complained about all of Shrubbie's stupid spending, NCLB, the idiotic Medicare D handout, DHS, TSA, the USAPATRIOT Act...You name it.

When are schmucks like you going to get all bent out of shape, because your matinee idol of a president can't seem to prove he's any better an alternative?

You may well have complained.
However most republicans did not nor did hardly any of the right wing pundits.

You and Ron Paul were about the only right wingers complaining.

Bullshit they didn't.

You forget, I was hanging out at the Hannity forums back then...I'm here to tell you that only a small percentage of hardcore republican sellout apologists, like tha malignant, were making excuses for the Shrub, for his stupid domestic spending profligacy.

And even though there were more supporters for things like DHS, TSA and the USAPATRIOT Act, that number only broke about 60-40.

Go ahead...Ask anyone else who was posting there at the time....You'll find no shortage of them here.

How could I forget something I did not know?

Hannity had forums?

Yeah maybe complaining in Hannity forums, but in the media that everyone saw?