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you haven't been keeping up.The materials he had were highly classified, and were still marked. So I’m not sure how that will go. One thing it does is highlight (yet again) is that many of our rules are made with the assumption that we are dealing honorable people who respect the institutions they serve.
b4 I can respond, you need to tell me what this written item here is a part of .. the warrant for the raid on Trump's home or something else..View attachment 687207
And that is what the FBI Agents serving the search warrant did, they complied with the Judges orders in the warrant. Collecting materials co-located in the boxes of classified materials.
You might want to drop a letter to the FPOTUS and tell him it's not a good idea to store his passports in the same place that he is storing illegally held classified and other government documents.
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b4 I can respond, you need to tell me what this written item here is a part of .. the warrant for the raid on Trump's home or something else..
And if it is, it is indeed overly general and therefore violates the 4th Amendment
I have been keeping up and as of this point there is nothing whatsoever to indicate that he did so.you haven't been keeping up.
A president can classify or declassify any gov document. And I heard recently (though i admit i need to verify this) that he did it in writing. But even if he didn't, he has the right to classify or de-c... unlike other people who work for the gvt
you would screamingPart of the search warrant issued by the judge based on probable cause.
No it isn't "overly general", it is very specific on what can be collected as part of the search warrant.
moron alertI have been keeping up and as of this point there is nothing whatsoever to indicate that he did so.
But let’s pretend he did. What are we looking at? A former president, now a civilian, with material that was once at the highest level of classification for national security purposes, recklessly “declassified” and stored in an insecure private club. This is Our Nation we are talking about, not Dems, Pubs, etc.
Either he didn’t realize the law (doubtful after four years in the presidency) or…
He was too stupid to understand the ramifications…(doubtful) or…
He didn’t think he’d be caught (possible) or….
He viewed the presidency as a position with unlimited rights and powers that is personally his and that extended beyond any electoral term (possible)…
That leads to the next question…why?
Possible leverage in future dealings?
Sell to a foreign power?
What do you think?
you would screaming
It IS overly general if it were Nadler or Schumer or Pelosi aka Piglosi or AOC or some other Demonrat
The search warrant is the problem. It did not specify specific documents, it did not exclude documents that were entitled to be Trump's. The search warrant was a grab for ALL documents so the DOJ could scan them for anything indictable. What we call a "fishing expedition" in search of a crime. An illegal search.
That violates the 4th. What specific crime is alleged. and what specific evidence were they searching for?
Bubba Clinton's favorable decision should invalidate everything seized by the FBI.
If Trump declassified them, and says they are his personal documents they are his. A few examples:He doesn’t own them when he is no longer president. They are public records that are managed by the archives and belong to the people.
...held in a secure environment protected by the Secret Service.That is proving a negative. It is up to Trump to prove they were.
Why is no one concerned that highly classified material, affecting national security was taken from a secure environment and held by an ex president?
Kasich? Wasn’t he the one that wanted a democrat to be his vp?I would screaming what?
I'm not a DEM so if Nadler or Schumer or Pelosi or AOC had taken boxes and boxes of government documents to their private residence after leaving office - I would 100% support an investigation and follow on charging for those crimes.
Your hyperbole is misplaced. I was a loyal GOP voter for 40 years. Voting for Kasich in both the Primary and General Elections in 2016, recognizing what a train wreck Trump** would be as President.
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True.If they're not marked up as unclassified, they're not.
Easy enough, huh?
So prove that the documents were not Trump's declassified personal records.The other aspect to this is that it matters not if they were classified of not. The search warrant lists, 18 U.S.C. §§ 793, 2071, or 1519, as potential crimes.
None of those involve classified documents.
Kasich? Wasn’t he the one that wanted a democrat to be his vp?
Nope. Some are Trump's personal records.All the documents belong to the National Archives.
Nope. Some are Trump's personal records.
Some are attorney-client privilege
The raid was illegal. It was too broad.
It was determined it was not secure, the SS was not protecting it, and Chinese spies had already snuck in....held in a secure environment protected by the Secret Service.
I know that Trump thinks that rules don't apply to him.
That said, the FBI raid was heavy handed when a subpoena should have been the next step, according to the legal experts.
They only went through the boxes Trump gave them. Why didn’t Trump give these ones to them?True.
So if they were marked "classified", why didn't the government take them in June when they went thru all the boxes and took what they wanted?
Linky Linky I call bullshit.It was determined it was not secure, the SS was not protecting it, and Chinese spies had already snuck in.
Subpeonas were issued.
