It is time to end our relationship with Israel

[Grau]

"IDF'S 'HUMAN SHIELDS'"

That's a picture of human shield used by Hamas

Your long debunked claim is demonstrably false and is even older than the infamous Israeli "Headless Babies" fable.

First, because IDF targets women and children anyway, (1), (2) what good are they as a "Human Shield"?

Next, the longer that Netanyahu's genocide continues, more and more IDF members are either committing suicide, refusing to serve and / or exposing Israel's war crimes. (3)

Among those war crimes is the use of Palestinians as Human Shields which is the opposite of what you claimed.

Face facts.

Virtually the whole world is repulsed by and strongly opposed to the genocidal ambitions of Netanyahu and his militant right wing element.

I think that most rational people can see that attempting to obfuscate Netanyahu's genocide when it alienates friendly governments and unites enemies is not "supporting Israel".

No amount of scripted evasions, "whataboutery" and howling "anti Semite" is going to change that fact.







(1). "Israel’s war on Gaza is deliberately targeting children – new UN report"

Israel’s war on Gaza is deliberately targeting children – new UN report

Children represent the future. In Gaza that future is being snuffed out.

theconversation.com

EXCERPT "The report alleges deliberate acts have been aimed against mothers and children, including the destruction of Gaza’s main fertility clinic, Basma IVF clinic, which it said amounted to “a genocidal act under the Rome Statute and Genocide Convention”. It concluded that “this was done with the intent to destroy the Palestinians in Gaza as a group, in whole or in part, and that this is the only inference that could reasonably be drawn from the acts in question”. CONTINUED


(2). “More women and children killed in Gaza by Israeli military than any other recent conflict in a single year”

More women and children killed in Gaza by Israeli military than any other recent conflict in a single year – Oxfam | Oxfam International

www.oxfam.org

EXCERPT “More women and children have been killed in Gaza by the Israeli military over the past year than the equivalent period of any other conflict over the past two decades, new Oxfam analysis has found.

As hostilities and tragic loss of life spread in Lebanon and the West Bank - including East Jerusalem - the regional escalation underscores the urgent need for an immediate and permanent ceasefire.” CONTINUED



(3). “The Israeli military has used Palestinians as human shields in Gaza, soldier and former detainees say”

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/24/middleeast/palestinians-human-shields-israel-military-gaza-intl

EXCERPT “The Israeli military has forced Palestinians to enter potentially booby-trapped houses and tunnels in Gaza to avoid putting its troops in harm’s way, according to an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldier and five former detainees who said they were victims of the practice.

The soldier, who said his unit held two Palestinian prisoners for the explicit purpose of using them as human shields to probe dangerous places, said the practice was prevalent among Israeli units in Gaza.” CONTINUED

 

[Grau]

More silly bullshit from a warmongering bigot who is incapable of addressing the current situation. The simple fact is this war doesn't end until the Palestinian gangs are disarmed and prevented from rearming, and Gaza will not be rebuilt until the so called Palestinians decide to live in peace with Israel.

Hey, dummy.

How is disarming Palestine's native residents the solution for peace when murderous psycho "Settlers" are slaughtering West Bank Palestinians who had nothing to do with 7 October 2023? (1)

What's going to stop relentless and illegal Settlement sprawl that is intended to keep stealing land and evade a peaceful resolution? (2)

Finally, who's going to evict trespassing psycho "Settlers" from the stolen Palestinian land that they occupy, illegally?


Now, dog paddle on back to the shallow end of the Think Tank with the other dummies.



(1). "Israel Must Loudly Arrest the Murderous West Bank Settlers"

Israel Must Loudly Arrest the Settlers Who Are Killing West Bank Palestinians

Or risk losing any moral authority in this war.

slate.com

EXCERPT "Since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack, settlers there have killed more than 120 Palestinians and injured at least 2,000. They have forcibly expelled more than 800 Palestinians from their homes, blown up their generators and solar panels, and burned down tents of Bedouin herders.

Again: This has been going on not in Gaza but in the West Bank—which is governed by the Palestinian Authority, not by Hamas. Some of those killed were members of militant groups, but most were attacked simply because they were Palestinians. In any case, they had nothing to do with Hamas’ attack on Israel from Gaza." CONTINUED


(2). "Israel Does Not Want Peace"
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-does-not-want-peace-1.5253291

EXCERPT "Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone.

Israel does not want peace. There is nothing I have ever written that I would be happier to be proved wrong about. But the evidence is piling up. In fact, it can be said that Israel has never wanted peace – a just peace, that is, one based on a just compromise for both sides.

The single most overwhelming item of evidence of Israel’s rejection of peace is, of course, the settlements project. From the dawn of its existence, there has never been a more reliable or more precise litmus test for Israel’s true intentions than this particular enterprise. In plain words: The builders of settlements want to consolidate the occupation, and those who want to consolidate the occupation do not want peace. That’s the whole story in a nutshell." CONTINUED

 

[Shusha]

That depends, also not every victim can be described as a "terrorist" I mean can a new born baby real be a terrorist even in your sick world?

Every child is an innocent. Full stop. My best guess for combatant deaths is around the 35,000 mark. (An educated guess putting together the information as reliably as we can under the circumstances). That is roughly 3 tons of bombs per combatant (terrorist).

Women and children should not automatically lumped into the "innocent civilian" category. If you are an adult woman who lived in a home which kept hostages - you are a combatant. If you are an adult woman who made food for the hostages - you are a combatant. If you are an adult woman who worked in a hospital and knew of the presence of hostages - you are a combatant. If you are a teenager who uses weapons, or carries ammunition, or provides intelligence, or performs other tasks for the war - you are a combatant. Some number of women and children are combatants (terrorists).

You can't really evaluate IDF efficiency in Gaza without knowing the objectives.

Agreed. We know the objectives of the war. 1. Secure the release of the hostages, if possible. 2. Dismantle the government and military abilities of Hamas. 3. Demilitarize Gaza. Any other objectives are imagined or extensions of the words of a few.

It's obvious to most people that one of the objectives is to make the Gaza strip uninhabitable

In order to demilitarize Gaza, every tunnel must be destroyed, every tunnel entrance must be destroyed, every weapons cache, every intelligence center, every booby-trapped building. That's going to be a lot of destruction. Gaza was already uninhabitable before the war, made that way by the Hamas and the people of Gaza who allowed the billions and billions of $ of aid to be turned into military infrastructure instead of civilian infrastructure. The consequences of this choice fall to them.

...increases the inducement for people to leave, perhaps being willing to sign an agreement to "emigrate" to Uganda or some place and handover their property rights.

Surely you are not arguing that people should be forcibly prevented from the agency to emigrate or to temporarily escape the war zone as refugees, are you? This is what Egypt has decided to do in violation of every ounce of moral clarity and international law.

So nice try but you'll only fool the simpletons around here with your "analysis" and child like understanding of "efficiency".

Hey now, every once in a while we need a one-liner to punch people in the face.

 

[Grau]

With every post you unknowingly expose yourself as an ignoramus. Lol.

Among the absurd scripted responses attempting to justify Netanyahu's genocidal agenda is the moronic "But Hamas started it..." line.
It's as if there was nothing but peace and love until suddenly on 7 October 2023, "Hamas started it..."

As we've both mentioned, the Netanyahu government knew about the 7 October uprising over a year in advance and even withdrew troops from the Wall for better exploiting their long planned False Flag scheme.

Without howling "anti Semite" and moronic stock responses, they're speechless.

Thanks,

 

[Ringo]

Israeli Finance Minister Smotrich stated that the Jewish people are “physically” undergoing “a process of redemption and the return of the divine presence to Zion as they participate in the ‘conquest of the land.’”

This is what blind religious fanaticism and bourgeois nationalism lead to. To fascism.

No one promised anything to the zionists. Their whole thing is based on their exodus from egyptian captivity, when Palestine was promised to them from heaven.

But all of archaeology screams, that the jews were never slaves in Egypt.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Hey, dummy.

How is disarming Palestine's native residents the solution for peace when murderous psycho "Settlers" are slaughtering West Bank Palestinians who had nothing to do with 7 October 2023? (1)

What's going to stop relentless and illegal Settlement sprawl that is intended to keep stealing land and evade a peaceful resolution? (2)

Finally, who's going to evict trespassing psycho "Settlers" from the stolen Palestinian land that they occupy, illegally?


Now, dog paddle on back to the shallow end of the Think Tank with the other dummies.



(1). "Israel Must Loudly Arrest the Murderous West Bank Settlers"

Israel Must Loudly Arrest the Settlers Who Are Killing West Bank Palestinians

Or risk losing any moral authority in this war.

slate.com

EXCERPT "Since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack, settlers there have killed more than 120 Palestinians and injured at least 2,000. They have forcibly expelled more than 800 Palestinians from their homes, blown up their generators and solar panels, and burned down tents of Bedouin herders.

Again: This has been going on not in Gaza but in the West Bank—which is governed by the Palestinian Authority, not by Hamas. Some of those killed were members of militant groups, but most were attacked simply because they were Palestinians. In any case, they had nothing to do with Hamas’ attack on Israel from Gaza." CONTINUED


(2). "Israel Does Not Want Peace"
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-does-not-want-peace-1.5253291

EXCERPT "Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone.

Israel does not want peace. There is nothing I have ever written that I would be happier to be proved wrong about. But the evidence is piling up. In fact, it can be said that Israel has never wanted peace – a just peace, that is, one based on a just compromise for both sides.

The single most overwhelming item of evidence of Israel’s rejection of peace is, of course, the settlements project. From the dawn of its existence, there has never been a more reliable or more precise litmus test for Israel’s true intentions than this particular enterprise. In plain words: The builders of settlements want to consolidate the occupation, and those who want to consolidate the occupation do not want peace. That’s the whole story in a nutshell." CONTINUED

How will disarming the so called Palestinians bring peace, you ask? Because, dumbass, if the Palestinians don't have weapons, they can't attack Israelis.

 

[EMH]

REad up on the use of gliders during d-day. Don't underestitmate what demtermined men can do.

Those things are flimsy death traps, the theory that 30 out of 30 took off, went 3 miles into Israel and all successfully landed is absolutely laughable. Odds of that are 0.0000000000000000000000001

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

As I was explaining to irosie91 and Lisa558 and BackAgain the Zionist ethnic cleansing of Palestine was a subject of discussion as far back as WW1.

 

[Grau]

"wasteoftime"

How will disarming the so called Palestinians bring peace, you ask? Because, dumbass, if the Palestinians don't have weapons, they can't attack Israelis.

Just as I expected....

You are entirely incapable of answering the 3 questions that I asked.

Why should I waste my time on another hopelessly clueless Zionist shill?

 

[Correll]

With every post you unknowingly expose yourself as an ignoramus. Lol.

HAMAS choose to start a war, that it knew it could not win, and it's plan was to use it's loss and thus their own people are pr props to play stupid westerns into supporting their desired for genocide.

I saw that, on 10/7 and it was in the spirit of decades of policy from them (hamas, plo, ect).

And I was done with them. That was the end of my concern for them.

 

[Correll]

Those things are flimsy death traps, the theory that 30 out of 30 took off, went 3 miles into Israel and all successfully landed is absolutely laughable. Odds of that are 0.0000000000000000000000001

Does that mean in your mind that the attack did not happen?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

HAMAS choose to start a war, that it knew it could not win, and it's plan was to use it's loss and thus their own people are pr props to play stupid westerns into supporting their desired for genocide.

I saw that, on 10/7 and it was in the spirit of decades of policy from them (hamas, plo, ect).

May I ask you, what did you see before 10/7? how would you describe the situation in Palestine prior to that attack? Take us back to October 6th 2023, what's going on in Palestine.

 

[Correll]

May I ask you, what did you see before 10/7? how would you describe the situation in Palestine prior to that attack? Take us back to October 6th 2023, what's going on in Palestine.

Stalemate based on stupidity on the part of palestinians.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Stalemate based on stupidity on the part of Palestinians.

Thanks.

Well at that point in time quite a few things were true, here's a snippet

1. Israel demolishes non-Jewish family homes when a family member is convicted of certain crimes.
2. Jewish "settler" gangs freely roam and terrorize non-Jewish families, even to the extent of burning down their houses.
3. non-Jewish children are arrested and imprisoned without trial.
4. Pregnant non-Jewish women must pass multiple check points to get to hospitals sometimes giving birth in the street.

I'll stop there with just these four, this isn't just Gaza, this was the "stalemate" in the West Bank too, these were routine events, typical almost any week one cares to pick.

Do you accept these four points, I'm prepared to support each one.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Those things are flimsy death traps, the theory that 30 out of 30 took off, went 3 miles into Israel and all successfully landed is absolutely laughable. Odds of that are 0.0000000000000000000000001

What's the crash rate per flight of those things?

Link?

 

[EMH]

Does that mean in your mind that the attack did not happen?

It is incumbent on your side to get 30 "believers" to demonstrate what you claim happened.

Your side CANNOT DO THAT. Mossad asked Felix B. to give it a shot...

107 is insanely obvious bullshit hate hoax, right down to showing us a missile hit... from Ukraine.

and it is not the first time Israel LIED TO US about "being attacked from Gaza" as a prelude to invasion/genocide/Exodus style land grab...

https://www.cia.gov/resources/csi/static/CIA-Analysis-1967-War.pdf

Helms was awakened at 3:00 in the morning on 5 June by a call from the CIA Operations Center. The Foreign Broadcast Information Service had picked up reports that Israel had launched its attack. (OCI soon concluded that the Israelis—contrary to their claims—had fired first.) President Johnson was gratified that because of CIA analyses and Helms’s tip, he could inform congressional leaders later in the day that he had been expecting Israel’s move.



... because that was the goal all along...

off JFK
install Zionist Fascist mass murderer LBJ
hate hoax Gulf of Tonkin
start/escalate 'nam war
force America to manufacture weapons for army and marines in 'nam
put weapons on navy boats with Jewish captains
sail boats to Israel, stiffing our US Army and Marines in 'nam, who will all tell you they were promised new weapons that never arrived....


then we were informed that the IDF was exterminating the residents of Gaza, we sent the USS Liberty to investigate that....

The Most Incredible Story Never Told: LBJ’s Order to Destroy the USS Liberty

by Judy Morris LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON is a president who has escaped the scrutiny and judgment of history despite considerable documentation that should make him an outstanding candidate for historical review, critique, and analysis. His primary biographer, Robert Caro, consistently gets rave...

nationalvanguard.org

 

[EMH]

What's the crash rate per flight of those things?

Link?

The proof of the "real crash rate" is that your cowardly Mossad ass is TOO CHICKEN to even try....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The proof of the "real crash rate" is that your cowardly Mossad ass is TOO CHICKEN to even try....

You have no real proof, schizo.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

then we were informed that the IDF was exterminating the residents of Gaza, we sent the USS Liberty to investigate that....

Hilarious!

 

[Roudy]

Torpedo the showboat.